Gays threaten the religious!

that is so wrong to do just becuase you don't belive in that type of lifestyle, it makes people like that look really pathetic

echoz, when you type things like

"Another indication of the sense of unbridled entitlement gays bring with them, everywhere they go..."

You do not make me want to agree with you, even if I agree with the general sentiment of your post.

People's religious practices, while they have no place in government, should not be trampled upon just because some sue-happy woman doesn't know her legal terms. She did sign a contract, after all, and it is a private company.

If I were you, I'd try letting up on the ridiculous blanket statements, if you want people to agree with you readily.
Makes you sound like Bill O'Riley.

heh. you live that lifestyle humdrum. what can I say? but I'll take your advice into consideration...when you realize there is an active homosexual agenda that *is* actually trampling the very rights of not just the religious but virtually anyone who choose to disagree with that lifestyle be it religious organizations or private businesses... anything's fair game for legal action when it comes to alleged "discrimination" and homosexuality.

People simply have a right to disagree with it.

Just keep in mind I'm not trying to "make" you do anything...just as perhaps, you can lead a horse to water, but can't "make" him drink it. *shrug*

best to you humdrum.

unfortunately this isn't an isolated case, and it just isn't so easily marginalized as "tit for tat." Some might even say "two potential wrongs" don't make a right. It's just so unfortunate (downright ill) that "gays" *do* more and more commonly sue and usually just for the ignorance and failure to recognize that their own personal sexual-identity and liberal values don't always fit in with even the religious and/or personal value systems others live by. It's only so obvious, even absurd denial can't save face. Many times it's just not discrimination, but more simply a disrespected justice to obvious differences that should, by common decency, be mutually respected.

As in this case, I guess I might agree with you that some gays just aren't as "respectful" as even you may be, daring to acknowledge the things you do. BUT they DO LOOK for lawsuits as you even admit yourself "I too think many of the GBLT community would do well to stop looking for offenses beneath every rock [and, if it's not there, drawing their own in the dirt]" so... I'm not really sure what your real point is other than that you may not like the truth of this post and probably aren't as quite as disrespectful as the jerk in this story.

"I wouldn't equate this "attack" with the amount of bullsh*t the average gay person has to deal with"

I hear this so often from gays. it's like a mantra or something. do you always walk around with a sense that people owe you something, "because you're gay"?? y'know i think that's why idiots like this sue for any little thing. it's the *same* prissy "I'm gonna tell mom!" freakn attitude and I'll think to call it out for what it is...infantile, selfish, pity-me-please bs.

and if a frivolous "discrimination" lawsuit flying in the face of a probable signed pre-agreement on condition of employment isn't an all-out insolent attack, I guess I just will never know what one is.

I think the truth remains obvious. Religious institutions are under fire from the gay community to force or coerce inclusion to the usurpation of any right to disagree with the lifestyle, even if it's based on spiritual or signed legal agreements. To me it's even obvious that gays encourage people to "come out" in religious settings/circumstances that clearly do NOT condone the lifestyle, as if only to upset them in ultimate denial of any apparent disrespect to the commonly-held values of those institutions. It's that obvious to me. And you can bet your next check it's just that obvious to so many others as well.

Religious organizations are under the pressing spectre of the cry-wolf syndrome and chronic threat of homosexual "discimination" lawsuits. but as we've seen in a similar thread, it doesn't stop there. Private businesses, though most everyone agrees they have the right to do whatever they please, are being tested too...not by satanists or the national rifle association or, the black panthers or the religious right, or the KKK, or the porn industry...they all seem to already know and accept they their *OWN* places in society and having alternative views, generally refrain from such stupid idiotic duma$$ lawsuits or such obviously forceful consitutionally-compromising "I'm queer and I'm here" in-your-face situations sought out and brought by who?????? who???? what persuasion would that be??? ahuh.

"As in this case, I guess I might agree with you that some gays just aren't as "respectful" as even you may be, daring to acknowledge the things you do."

I didn't feel I was "daring" to acknowledge anything; I was simply stating the obvious, by using logic.
Being gay doesn't automatically make you a great person who shits gold; it's just one part of a whole person, and most people are jackasses.


"'I wouldn't equate this "attack" with the amount of bullsh*t the average gay person has to deal with'

I hear this so often from gays. it's like a mantra or something. do you always walk around with a sense that people owe you something, "because you're gay"?? y'know i think that's why idiots like this sue for any little thing. it's the *same* prissy "I'm gonna tell mom!" freakn attitude and I'll think to call it out for what it is...infantile, selfish, pity-me-please bs."

When I say that gay people "have to deal with a ridiculous number of sheepish pricks their entire lives," I am simply stating what my f*cking experience has been, as well as countless other gay people.
I think you'd agree that the sheepish pricks of the world are legion.
In mainstream Christian America, most of them make gay people's lives hell in high school, then grow up to do it in subtle ways as adults, because that is what is acceptable in their social group/ religious institution.
It's not whining; it's just stating a fact.
I think you are mixing up factual events with how people handle those events.
Everyone handles them differently; some become bitter, sue-happy jackasses, and others become well-adjusted human beings.
It's how human beings work.
You keep on lumping me in with your preconceived notion of gay people, which really isn't your impression of gay people so much as your impression of "gay culture," which, anyone will tell you, says absolutely nothing about an individual.
Saying all gay people are prissy, bitter, sue-happy jackasses is like saying all black people are angry, or all white people are racist.
I was simply trying to let you know that this is the base from which many gay people are operating from, which explains why so many gay people can come off as bitter about having their legal rights neutered - why shouldn't they?

I could try to make you understand, but you simply don't have the experience of growing up as a gay person, so I really can't explain it to you, since I don't know what it's like to grow up as a straight person.


"and if a frivolous "discrimination" lawsuit flying in the face of a probable signed pre-agreement on condition of employment isn't an all-out insolent attack, I guess I just will never know what one is."

Of course its an all-out, insolent attack. I didn't say it wasn't; I merely said that, if all the bullsh*t gays get from religious institutions in the legal arena already (we're pretty much screwed if, heaven forbid, we want to settle down and raise a family), this legal attack and others like it, while ridiculous, don't hold a candle.
Legal attacks like this will get tossed out of court, while legal discrimination against gay people is already "set in stone" by religious-minded politicians are the ignorant masses.
If there is a gay agenda, it is about getting equal rights.
As related to schools (you've spoken of it in other threads), is it so hard to believe that they are not targeting straight kids so much as gay kids going through hell because they have no one to turn to, to talk to about their situation - no role models, no nothing?
Suicide rates among gay teenagers are astronomical for a reason. They feel they have no place, because, if homosexuality is talked about in schools (aka kids' lives), it is spoken of from a position of extreme ignorance, and often religious bias.
It would have helped me immensely if I'd had ANYONE to talk to in middle/high school, or had ANY level of understanding other than "God hates them. They are all disgusting sexual deviants who spread diseases with glee."


Lastly, I'll just say that, while this lawsuit and others are certainly moronic, and have no legal ground to stand on, there are plenty more that are legit, with no signed contracts to speak of - just honest, hard-working people getting fired because of their f*cking personal lives.
They should never be lumped in with this foolishness.


*summarized point = please stop speaking of gay people like they are all laughable stereotypes.
Every social group has those that live up to the stereotypes.
I have always felt that most "gay culture" was nowhere near my own; in fact, I get pissed off at other gays for enforcing the stereotypes so readily just because Hollywood and TV found they could make money off them (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and Queer As Folk are glaring examples).
With all of your assumptions about me and gay people in general, it sounds as if you have bought into "gay culture," not me.

You really act like life is so much simpler for everyone else, and because anyone could be gay, you/they have necessarily had it *harder* than anyone else. Everyone meets a few prcks in life. That supposed to be exclusive to gays? I find that pretty selfish and conceited... You'd practically claim suicide as a purely gay activity in high schools too. Selfish. I certainly beg to differ.

Y'know if I have truly misunderstood anything you've said, consider it may be because i just don't feel it's necessary to accept your sexuality as a condition of knowing you. You're not a bad guy. We just disagree and what I advocate is for a lot more respect and tolerance for religious beliefs, even if you don't agree with the tenets, the precepts, AND the condemnation... You act like spiritual condemnation from the religious is exclusively reserved for gays. Even in Hagee's case, he calls out all sexual immorality whether it's adultery, promusicuity/fornication, bestiality, or even homosexuality. But the only one you ever hear complaining about it are homosexuals.

The fact that you think this case is laughable because it doesn't hold a candle to all the wrong you think is done to gays from the religious is the only stereotype I've seen too often here. And it's not a good sign of any honest respect for Christians going forward either. The tact is clearly becoming that there's no respect for the religious belief if it's contrary to liberal modern-day sexuality and promiscuity. Nothing is sacred and discrimination is reversed for spite. Just deserts you'd say, huh?

And there's no real apology to be expected. But you think its somehow more meritorious being gay, because it's so much harder you complain. "Why would anyone subject themselves to this?" =D And you know, religious people often ask themselves that very question.

Frankly the fact you complain there were no role-models in school is a lil bs. What you mean by role model is GAY role model. Specifically GAY. So unless he's gay, he's/she's just not a role model to you??? I had role models in school and it was never really about their sexuality. It wasn't something I expected of them. My point is, not everyone has to wear their sexuality on their sleeve and then complain about it.

In school, it's difficult for anyone to go through teen years~! I'm not gonna be an ass about it, but also some people just don't like the idea of gay sex. There's a real aversion for some people just to the idea. As revolting perhaps as it would be for you to consider a radically different sexuality from the homosexuality you claim!!! You can't make them like it! If you find the majority of people are like that because of a lifestyle you choose or lead of your own volition/constitution, that's your privilege, and your problem, or in stereotypical gay flamboyance "that's your gift and your curse honey!" ;D