23 yr old girl dies as result of becoming an undercover informant

what an unfortunate death and an unfortunate loss for her family...

sounds like the movie GO!

Yea, how utterly insensitive of those police to bust here with all those drugs and THEN when she suddenly realized she was wrong and wanted a lighter sentence, they put her to work.

"Hoffman agreed to work with police after being arrested on several drug charges, including possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana and possession with intent to sell ecstasy, police spokesman David McCranie said."

Guess she should have just taken the maximum sentence and gone to jail instead. It is a tragic story that the girl died, but it's not the fault of law enforcement who IS tasked with getting this garbage off the streets. She did the crime to begin with, she put herself in that position. If someone knocked the bong out of her hands when she was younger there's a distinct possiblity NONE of this would have happened. What the hell is the name of that "gateway" drug again that leads to the use of other illicit drugs? Damn, just can't quite remember... Oh wait, it's coming to me now, could it be marijuana?

Heaven forbid someone take PERSONAL responsibility for their actions!

the bust took precedence over this girl's life - simple - such is the "war on drugs" , ho hum.

"Mike Weiss, Hoffman's stepfather, said he wants police to stop saying Hoffman broke protocol. He asked how Hoffman truly could understand how important protocol is and how an untrained civilian could understand how to protect herself in such a situation.
"The reality is, untrained civilians of any age should not be put in that position by a police force," Mike Weiss said. "They took a 23-year-old relatively naïve person and put her in a life-threatening situation."

I completely agree with what he said.

sad? no. she was a druggie who got caught, twice, once by popo's, once by the dealers. she put herself in both positions.

**** the police

Hey, did any of you ever think that maybe we shouldn't be locking people up for excessive amounts of time for selling or using drugs. The war on drugs in a miserable failure, that not only led to the death of this young woman, but leads to the death and incarceration of hundreds of thousands of people who are hooked on the American drug culture. We would think it was obvious by now that we will not eliminate drug dealers or drug abuser until we eliminate the systemic culture that invites its activity in the first place. Communities need fixing so people have opportunities, and drug addicts need rehab, not jail.

Oh, and Mr. Liberation Extinction, in case you didn't know this already, who is responsible for allowing all of those drugs to flood into our communities. Do you think regular street pushers transport their own shit across the borders? Whose personally responsible for getting it in the hands of our young people. I cant get a damn shampoo bottle on an airplane but they sure can sneak kilo after kilo of drugs across borders and into the hands of our citizens. Do you think this poor little girl worked out a deal with a major drug cartel? Obviously she was a pawn in a operation bigger than she was. Tell me who the hell is responsible for that.....

Peace

I don't even know how the police department would actually think that sending that girl to buy all that stuff, would not raise suspension and endanger the life of this girl,

So it was poorly planned, and then the police department turns around and wipes their hands clean on her death....yeah...this should show how the public is AGAIN misinformed on the demonization of this supposed "drug war", and the officials are usually the ones behind these causalities.

I hope that kitten will be put in the "care" of the witness protection program....Poor kitten.

What?!, that is bullshit. They should have sent a more convincing undercover informant.

Drugs will mess you up, directly or indirectly, no matter what. Just say No...

unfortunate

The "war on drugs" is a lie.

This girl was used by grossly incompetent police who never should have put her life in jeopardy.

Who is the "war on drugs" for? Who is it supposed to help? So far as I can tell, it employees a large armed force to keep WE THE PEOPLE in line - while the CIA covertly imports drugs from around the world to sell on our streets for covert operations and profit. What idiots all levels of our government have become using laws which were intended to protect us - against us!

The girl was preyed on by the police. Her drug use is / was not a capital offense!

Making drugs illegal creates a black market - only criminal types would risk their freedom for - so who makes all the money and has power? Criminal types!

the war on drugs costs too much money and lives. if they were legal/controlled, there would be less crime, greed, violence, and corruption.

there is only one way to end it.

saying that drugs are bad and illegal is naive and obvious. alcohol, cigarettes, corn syrup, and beef with antibiotics in it, are all bad also, but not illegal. no consistency in this country. the rich old white men in D.C. choose what you should or should not do, while they themselves do drugs and male escorts.

we have the freedom, to chose what they want us to do, instead of what we deserve.

Hey Pwdrskir,

you are that misinformed public i was talking about. before you blurt out D.A,R.E's slogan, "just say no"....understand what exactly your saying No to. Instead of saying what Nancy Reagan told you to say..... understand what is good and bad for you, inform yourself, instead of eat up the generalized notion of what a goverment sponsored campaign is telling you to think....

(im not saying to be a druggie, nor am I publicly fighting for the misrepresentation of narcotic or herbals of all kinds. It just really get under my skin when someone says something like that cause it leaves me wondering, do you even know why it's bad.)

but anyway, bottom line, this girl's safety was not FULLY considered in the drug bust. It had nothing to do with a better informant in which Yihua was talking about (im not gonna let my mind even wonder exactly what did he mean by better informant.). It was a drug bust that went wrong and the police department easily dust their hand free of any dirt and say she didn't follow protocol, so they are not demonized for the lack of interest of protecting and more interest in stupidly trying to win a fight that will never be relatively close to won.

Those cops were grossly incompetent to think this scheme would work in the first place.

This is one of the dumbest stories i have ever heard a girl gets caught with 30 grams of weed? guessin dat shud make street value UNDER 200-230 N n intent 2 supply sum dumb pills? so they send in a untrained civilian to try and obtain a gun 2 ozs of crack and 1500 pills dat is one they might of aswel just sent her in wid a sign sayin im here to send y'all asses to jail, but who gives a toss anyway just 1 dead wowan who would have went 2 jail anyway right??
lol da system is BOOOGED

So, apparently, saying No to someone handing me a bong or putting a crack pipe in front of me is government propaganda. OH, I’m sooooo glad I have people on this site to help me, I get so confused on issues about doing drugs. Maybe from doing too many drugs…

I’m so very confused if drugs are good or bad for me. So confused and misinformed. I need another bong hit just to figure out what people are talking about…please enlighten me, oh informed one.

People are still doin E ?

I thought that fad was over with and relegated to european clubs.

unfortunate for the girl and her family, pathetic for the fools who set this up thinking that it would actually work

This is ridiculous. I thought this was the job for undercover cops not for girls who had some pot and ecstasy on them.

Liberal Extinction.

If you have a child or plan to have one at some point in the future:

I hope your child is never pulled into a situation that gets out of control.

I hope your child never starts taking drugs.

I hope your child is never forced to choose between an long jail sentence or doing something risky for the police that might reduce her sentence.

I hope you child never dies as a result of her decision or police incompetence.

I hope your life is full of predictability, good fortune and joy and nothing bad ever happens that forces you to choose between one bad thing and another.

I'm not a Christian but they have a saying that is appropriate for all of us..."There but for the grace of God go I."

Hey Mark, I didn't say it wasn't a sad situation, people on this site seem to glass over the simple ROOT cause of the problem though. People on this site tend to push for legalization of drugs instead of prevention of drug use. People on this site seem to have a tendancy to blame the authorities time and time again. It's the same approach as teaching kids abstinence along side safe sex instead of safe sex only. Running on the assumption that kids are going to do bad things ONLY is not only moronic, it induces and justifies their failures. There is nothing wrong with properly equipping kids with ALL the information and teaching them that some things are wrong and of no benefit to them whatsoever. I'd be very curious to know what kind of parents this girl had and just how they raised her. Was she taught that it's OK to expirement with drugs, was she taught that there is no benefit whatsoever to such destructive behavior?

I'll gladly admit, I did some experimenting with drugs when I was younger, I'm glad I wasn't caught. I'm also in the middle of dealing with a situation as we speak with a younger brother who DID get caught and is in the middle of his restitution as we speak, he earned what he's getting right now and he's learning a tough life lesson. So far he appears to be learning from it, only time will tell how long he remembers what he is learning.

Sounds like the police DID have people in place to protect the girl where the "buy" was supposed to go down. She called told them it was changing and didn't listen to them when they said, NO, DON'T CHANGE IT, IT'S NOT SAFE. Just because the war on drugs isn't "perfect" is no reason to abandon efforts to keep drugs off the street, kids off drugs, and put the largest suppliers in jail PERMANENTLY. Criminals are ALWAYS evolving, they will always look for ways to break the law. There will never be a perfect tactic in place to combat crime, doesn't matter if it's drugs, pedophilia, robbery, murder, hell the list goes on and on. Just because a task gets difficult is no reason to abandon it.

Why would they send someone untrained? That is just stupid. It isn't the cops' fault she died, stuff happens, but their decision doesn't make sense either.

LE.
I think what most people are concerned about is not that the girl was arrested for drugs but that the police put an untrained individual in a very dangerous situation. The police, more than anyone should know that plans often don't go off the way they should and are less likely to do so with untrained personnel. It's unfortunate that the girl got into drugs due to foolish decisions, it's sad that she got arrested, it's tragic that she had to die doing something for the police that she never should have been allowed to do.

cops should send in their stupid goons to do the dirty work.

dumb trolls that run the streets like this guy should be put to use:

http://i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29906

"to serve and protect" GTFO

I cant consider her a victim if she chose to be there. Most people did things when they were young that they are no longer proud of and a lot were caught doing it. I personally wouldnt be the narc. I am Speculating that she knew whom she was helping to bust. Isnt that the way it goes? Isnt it the person above you on the supply chain they want?
The whole thing is a sad affair but we all play a part. Maybe we can't keep drugs out of Our culture completly but we can Help Our Communtities and i would like to start by cleaning up the schools. It amazes me how many kids get high at school.

I can see that this is an issue for a lot of people by the amount of comments. I to am outraged, it seems to me that the police used this girls fear to motivate her to go undercover like this. What little drugs she had on her was nothing. With Americas messed up drug laws it was enough to get her locked up for a while though. I can't believe this was allowed to happen. An undercover agent has to have amazing skills of manipulation. To take an untrained girl and throw her into a world where a human life is skittles, is bullshit. Now a intelligent and from what I've read, kind girl is dead. There is a root cause to this death. This beautiful girls death is a direct effect of the drug laws the US forces on the American public. Rachel Hoffman was not a criminal in any way. Despite this she was about to do a very long stint in prison. The police used this to there advantage. How can this happen? Her death was a product of manipulation. Sue this scum, put this case on the map. An example needs to be made here and now.

One more thing, there is no such thing as drug prevention. There won't be today, tomorrow or ever. The emphasis needs to be on doing them responsibly.

Extinction < your stinkin the place up with your hate! Cool out. The world was not designed to run on oneway streets, thats just your opinion ,which just doesn't mean anything,but to you. stop the hatin, she was just a girl that made a mistake, no one is bleeding over it but her, but does that give you the right to trash her? I think not Whats your likes porn maybe, think anyone is suffering for your entertainment, or maybe it's church,maybe you are running for best catholic, watch out for the good priest!!! Or maybe you like George Busch That might fit to a T, Just talkin to here yourself talk. Do you do anything to help people ?Maybe an addicted youth trying to get off drugs. Help someone in your neighborhood get off drugs and not bye being, dont just bitch and hate...

see this is y the police and other law enforcement agencies shouldnt use civilans to do there dirty work. Why do they have undercover teams and agents if ther scared to use them. ILL b suprsed if the state doesnt settle out of court if the mother choose's to sue!

this shows how ineffective the war against drugs really is.

That's really disgusting that the police are blaming her for her own death, saying that she "broke protocol". That's really sad.

She knew what she was getting into, she obviously had some experience in the drug field. If you cant play ball dont step up to the plate.

It's a sad story, but it sounds like she was the one who wanted to go undercover to get a shorter sentence--I'd hardly call that coercive police tactics.

Plus, she was told to stay put and made the choice to ignore that advice. Yes, it's a tragic situation all around but you can't blame the police for someone not listening to them.

when you people decide to think on your own, like an adult, answer this question: do you see the prohibition of the 1920's do anything for alcohol (other than turn it over to the black market and raise prices)?
when the CIA imported tons of opiates from Nicuragua to the US to fund an illegal war back in the 1980's who went to jail there?

next person who posts use common sense please.

Cops are low. They WILL, ok some WILL, try to get you to roll on who ever they can get you to roll over on. They know that most of the people they bust are just causual users so they will use fear of maximum punishment to coerce you to give up your guy so they can go after his guy exc..exc...

My point: the cops are not out there to protect YOU or ME. They're out there to make arrests and put people in jail. They arn't looking at the big picture, they are simply following orders. It is sad that so many police don't concider the harm they are doing and that by "enforcing the law" that exempts themselves of any personal blame.

There are many people that have respect for the law and law enforcers but sometimes its undeserved. If you ask me police should be elected officials just like politicians and local laws should have precidence over federal laws.

Those handful of pompous, conservative rants in this thread made me register just to reply here.

Your argument is basically: disobeying any law means you lose your rights, and it doesn't matter what happens to you.

This girl got caught with 20 grams of weed. Over here, that's about 30 euro's worth. Maintaining crazy laws prohibiting drugs which have been SHOWN to be far less risky to the users and those around them than e.g. alcohol and cigarettes, then ABUSING these laws to manipulate a 23-year old girl into a situation in which she dies is... incredible.

Your country is fucked.

Mine, the Netherlands, is slowly getting fucked by our breed of conservative Christians, pushing for sunday closure (like in the retarded days) and more prohibition of drugs, like in your retarded country.

Lets make a pact, here, now, to eject our respective retards into our respective bordering oceans and get back to making a more rational, less self-righteous and more honest Western culture.

Geez.