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One of the top Catholic publications in the United States carried an editorial in its latest issue saying Barack Obama's positions in favor of abortion and euthanasia are problematic for Catholic voters. This coincides with several prominent church leaders and politicians echoing this message associating Obama with 'infanticide.'

"It’s important for Americans to know exactly where Barack Obama stands on abortion, because abortion is one of the fundamental issues Americans should be most concerned about," say the editors of the National Catholic Register.

Pro-life leaders including Catholic League president Bill Donahue describe Obama as the most pro-abortion presidential candidate in American history.
http://www.catholicleague.org/chatterbox.php?#139
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14 responses // Catholic leaders attack Obama on abortion

  • Really? "Pro-abortion?" Is anyone pro-abortion? "Oh yeah, man! I got one the other day and it was ill!!!" Abortion is not something that you can support! It's a last resort in dire straits. Some people support abortion being a legal choice for a woman who has no other, but by no means do they support abortion. I give credit to the religious folks for using terminology to their advantage (infanticide, pro-life/pro-abortion, abortion clinicians=murderers). Unfortunately, it's not the middle ages any more. If the Pope refers to llama as "death-sheep," most people will now question this before going out and killing 'em all. A step in the right direction.
    dco
    • dco
    • 2 months ago
  • Pro-abortion?

    That's like pro-plastic surgery xD
    Narijima
  • Obama is thinking how a Government employee SHOULD think. Our personal Christian beliefs are exactly that, Personal.

    Just because , as Christians, we believe abortion and other topics to be wrong (gay marriage?), doesn't mean we want to impose laws on every living soul to follow what we feel is correct. Those decisions are between them and their own moral compass.
    chillwillNJ
  • This reminds me of a verse of the prayer most Christians use...."...Conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary..."

    Now, it seems to me that the whole concept that many folks want to scream is that at conception, that tiny embryo isn't really alive.

    Well, when you say that or that you say at some point after conception but not at conception, that embryo is alive you are essentially denying Christianity.

    You are denying that Christ was alive at the moment of conception as the son of God.

    Thus you are not a Christian.
    PatrickEdwardMurray
  • Patrick, that's the worst chop logic I've ever heard. Who the hell are you (no pun intended) to declare who's a Christian, and what ALL good Christians MUST believe? It's this secret club mentality (all followers must uphold identical beliefs, or they are not allowed into the club) that turns people away. Being a Christian simply means you are a follower of Christ; it doesn't mean you get to dictate who is or isn't in your club, or what all Christians believe.
    mransom
  • mransom - I agree that Patrick's reasoning is utterly incomprehensible, but isn't that club mentality whhat defines a religion? I'm no person to decide these terms, being myself devoid of religion, but generally speaking, people tend to follow religions. When you follow a religion, you follow its dogma and its doctrine. If you differ with your religion on some small matters, you are challenging the tradition from which you got the beliefs in the first place. When you disagree with any part of the bible, can you really call yourself Christian? (sincere, not rhetorical) I ask this question because I always get confused when someone cites verses, then doesn't jump at the opportunity of killing Jews. Nowadays, people only see the parts of their holy text that jive with the morals and predispositions they already have. These opinions can't come from your religion, if you're using them to disagree with it, so what purpose does religion serve? Objectively, it appears that the point of religion is to tell people what to think, do, and say. Most refute this, but I can't help seeing it as nothing but mind control. If your beliefs are predicated upon absolutism, then you yourself must absolutely accept them.

    Suffice to say, if you disagree with your religion, you're essentially admitting disbelief (as I see it).
    dco
    • dco
    • 2 months ago
  • "Obama is thinking how a Government employee SHOULD think. Our personal Christian beliefs are exactly that, Personal."

    Would you say that again? These same fanatics who meddle in the personal decisions of folks getting abortions or ending thier lives don't want to also take the next step of caring for unwanted children or people dying in indignity and agony. These idiots want the government to interfere, but have no more accountability for your misery and inconvenience than telling us how to live. They aren't going to pay for healthcare or child care, no matter how fiercely they insist you have the baby or continue to live a steadily declining quality of life in misery and pain.

    I'm sick of interference from both the government and institutional religion where my body is concerned. I don't need the punishment of their resentful judgement.
    96thdayofrage
  • DCO, that's a good point, but I will argue this:

    While there is a core belief system that differentiates each religion, the various conventions and the dogma that follow are, by no means, required. For example, the Christian church is divided into dozens of denominations, each with its own set of unique interpretations of the Bible and beliefs. While each denomination believes the that Jesus was the son of God, there is quite a bit of discrepancy as to what that means and what the Bible is meant to tell us. For me, as a self proclaimed, "open-minded Christian," I believe that many parts of the Bible are simply allegories and parables meant to serve as a moral compass for its readers. Patrick seems to disagree, but would that make either of us less Christian? No. It's the same, for example, with the partisan system of our government. While each party has a core system of beliefs, there are discrepancies within each party (read: Clinton and Obama). It's dialogs like this that keep religions going, and make them dynamic (however paradoxical that may seem to you).


    mransom
  • Yo, not for nothing. But 'paradoxical' sounds like an awesome word.
    chillwillNJ
  • mransom - Yes, but my point was that if you (or anyone) decide what is a parable, and what is anecdote, you are adding the bias of your predispositions. You are choosing your religion's intricasssies based on irreligious experiences. Basicly, It doesn't seem like it's up to YOU to decide these things. Not to say that anyone else would be more qualified to form your beliefs, but, again, the dogma decides, not you. So let me try to sum this up concisely: If you decide any part of your own beliefs, what do you need religion for?

    p.s. - I'm guessing you lable anything that doesn't suit your secular morality as "parable," and those that do as unequivocal truth. When you narrowly avoid a car accident, it's "Praise God!," but when you get into the accident, it's "God works in mysterious ways," rather than "Damn him!" Religious folks are eternally optimistic in this regard.
    dco
    • dco
    • 2 months ago
  • mransom,

    There are many donominations of Christians.
    As a Christian Catholic I take it for granted that they are all followers of Christ.

    But that doesn't mean they all know what they are talking about either.

    The Roman Catholic Church came from Christ through Peter and the Apostles and no other Christian Church can claim that.

    Otherwise, if you have no understanding of what I said it just means you are not Christian.
    PatrickEdwardMurray
  • Well, by a very convoluted route you conveyed that. Though your church is, technically, the purest form (in that it is derived the most directly), I'd bet you still don't follow the teachings of old and new testament as fervently as the writers would hope. You probably block out the every instance where God COMMANDS you to kill, no? When he says to stone homosexuals, adulterers, bestialists, idolists, and stick-gatherers to death, you turn a blind eye. In Catholicism, it doesn't really matter though, 'cause you can ask forgiveness. For that matter, why do you bother following ANY of the teachings, if it doesn't matter in the end? Catholicism is the hardest faith to buy, but the easiest to live with. If you're refining the definition of "Christian," I'd exclude you as well. Only biblical literalists are TRUE Christians.
    dco
    • dco
    • 2 months ago
  • "You are denying that Christ was alive at the moment of conception as the son of God. Thus you are not a Christian."

    The Bible states categorically that Christ Jesus, the spoken WORD of GOD has always been alive, even before creation. There is no scripture in the Bible to suggest or justify the claim that life begins at human conception. Actually, there is nothing in the Bible to state that abortion is a sin. The Bible deals with life outside the womb in the world. The Lord is more concerned with what parents do with and for their children, a gift He considers to be His heritage to humanity, once they are born and in the world. Only the papacy prefaces the sanctity of motherhood on going through with a pregnancy. The rest of Christendom is caught up with what the Bible dictates for rearing children once they are born to your care.
    96thdayofrage
  • Whether or not abortion is a right, does not matter. If abortion were illegalized, there would be literally hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of children in the foster care system; and we all know just how fun that can be. There just aren't enough people in this country willing to feed children that didn't come out of them.

    Also there would be hundreds of thousands getting arrested for having, or performing, illegal abortions and our jails already have inmates packed like sardines.

    I know this is a touchy issue, especially for parents, but, either way you slice it, abortion, as of this point, is a neccessary evil.
    VitaminB2

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