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"Secondary explosions" in the WTC buildings


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This video, compiled of New York news footage, shows what was happening on the street and in the basement of the buildings.

Did you know "that Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom, which provided security for the World Trade Center"?
-David Ray Griffin, et al. "The New Pearl Harbor" 2004.
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37 responses // "Secondary explosions" in the WTC buildings

  • "David Ray Griffin has done admirable and painstaking research in reviewing the mysteries surrounding the 9-11 attacks. It is the most persuasive argument I have seen for further investigation of the Bush administration's relationship to that historic and troubling event."
    -Howard Zinn, author of 'A People's History of the United States'
  • Excellent footage, and a very real glint that this could have been an inside job.
    HappyYoga
  • The theory that the buildings were rigged to be timely demolished is gradually becoming accepted as truth... Why was so much money paid to fire fighters who may have otherwise served as witnesses to the actual facts as they unfolded around them...was the payoff meant to buy their silence...

    I only hope that the absolute truth will be forthcomig...if not sooner, then after this administration is out of office...
    PlatoTacius
  • Private mainanence crews worked in the buildings weeks before the attacks....

    Some WTC personnel reported that "after the security detail had worked 12-hour shifts for the previous two weeks because of threats, five day before 9/11 the security alert, which had mandated the use of bomb-sniffing dogs, was lifted."

    Quoted from the book mention above.
  • Yea, it sure sounded like secondary explosions...perhaps that because a MASSIVE GOD DAMN BUILDING WAS CRUMBLING TO THE GROUND? It's called pressure, people. You apply pressure, it's gonna break something and if it's an incredibly tall steel building with tons of inflammatory stuff inside, LIKE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, the shit is gonna blow.

    Why would they blow up the building AFTER the towers were hit? It clearly could have fell on its own (which it DID). You conspiracy theorists are a hilarious lot.
  • I guess if my brother was apart of the security company and my cousin was part of fox news you would'nt hear about this in the main stream media either!
    Jtonio4823
  • Why did the third building fall? That's the one question I'd like to most know the answer to.
    Elligirl
  • @SpeedingUptoStop , you are clearly dilusional.

    Never in the history of modern engineering has a steel frame highrise collapsed due to fire (Which is the official reason for the collapse). The fact that a SINGLE building would collapse because of a fire would be astonishing and almost hard to beleive. But the fact that TWO buildings BOTH collapsed "because of fire damage" on the same day, in the same country, and no less, on the same block.... well, thats actually IS too hard to beleive.

    Lets say you got a better chance of becoming president of this great nation, than this actually occurring without some "help" and by "help", i mean - they blew the shit up.
    chillwillNJ
  • There have always been conspiracy theories... The whole situation was a bit fishy from the start and there very well may be some truth in this...
    MoMoney
  • The building would not have crumbled like a pancake, which is the official explanation, without the central columns being blown up to destabilize the building.

    The building should have cracked in half where the plane hit and fallen over on top of the buildings down below. But conveniently enough, it collapsed in a gigantic pile and only a few buildings were hurt and repaired due to the collapse of the WTC.

    Just listen to Peter Jennings from ABC talking about the fact that everybody knows that in order to get a building to come down you have to destroy the foundation holding it up. That is why there were explosions in the basement less than a minute before the plane crashes.

    Then there were the secondary explosions that helped the buildings come down completely.
    jubal
  • And what about World Trade Center 7?

    It collapsed and no plane or debris from the towers hit it, and it collapsed.

    There is a clip from a PBS Frontline interview i will dig it up too. The owner of WTC7 admits on camera that it was demolished, "for safety reasons" but not before the city of NY spent millions building a disaster command center there.
    jubal
  • I found it.

    The famous "Pull it" discussion. ooohhh yesss
    jubal
  • Wow if you all really believed that this is true why havent you armed yourself and taken back what is ours. Our country. You can post all this crap on the internet all you want but until you make an honest effort to actually do something about it. My thought is if i honestly believed this I would be getting all the other people together that believed it and I would wage a war against the government. You people are giving the government way to much credit and making them seem more powerful then they really are. The truth is they are the weak.
    515dsm
  • Since some of you are my friends, Ill try to be gentle. Either you are gullible, or absolutely insane, but either way....you are wrong. As some one who stood on top of the falling towers the day they came down, I find it really sad that some of you continue to try to make some grand conspiracy out of the whole event. Did you not see the airplanes crash into the towers?
    Oh, and I guess most of you have advance degrees in building structure and what type of force it would take to bring down a building of that magnitude. Oh, and that's right, if two buildings larger than every building in the United States tumble down, the third building (Tower 7) should remain structurally undamaged. Are you crazy? Just listen to what your saying. I am all for saying that this President and his administration failed our people, but talking about timed demolitions, and theory's with no factual basis only make bright people sound like fools.

    P.S. Paramount didn't create the video of the planes crashing into the towers...no folks, that was real......I cant say the same for your foolish investigative reporting.

    Peace
    raheims
  • 515dsm should lay off the "you people" jargon, we are all in it together. you can believe in the status quo & keep your blinders on if you like, but you shouldn't disparage others for doing research & being thoughtful when it comes to major calamities.

    apparently history's lessons have been lost. pearl harbor, the reichstag fire, the list goes on & has nothing to do with governments plotting, its simply the wealthy corporations that control them making sure they stay in the black so they can continue to finance their campaigns & lobby for more deregulation.

    how do u think the bush & walker families made their fortunes?

    the american ruling class always makes a point to navigate between the public & private sector seamlessly. its not just cheney & rumsfeld.

    wake up
    blackdaylight
  • More from 'The New Pearl Harbor'

    "the fires [caused by the impact of the planes] would not have been nearly hot enough. to melt steel, one needs a temperature in the range on 2,770 degrees F (1,500 degrees C), which can be produced only my some special device, such as an oxyacetyline torch.
    A hydrocarbon fire, such as one based on refined kerosene - which is what jet fuel is - does not get nearly that hot. As explained by Thomas Eagar, professor of materials engineering at MIT, the maximum possible temperature for an open fire fueled by Hydrocarbons would be 1,600 to 1, 700 F. Moreover, since the WTC fires were fuel-rich fires, as evidenced by the fact that they gave off much black smoke, they were not even very hot for hydrocarbon fires, "probably only 1,200 or 1,300 F."

    "Thomas Eagar says that the impact of the airplanes would have been insignificant, because "the number of columns lost on the initial impact was not large and the loads were shifted to remaining columns in this highly redundant structure."

    "Within a few dozen seconds after the plane crash," Eric Hufschmid points out, "[t]he North tower was quiet, stable, and motionless."


    How much information does the public need to hear and see with their own eyes before realizing what this administration has been up to?
  • Let me formally apologize for uh, the "YOU PEOPLE" jargon. I know there is a more politically correct way of tying a group of individuals who subscribe to the same idea together. Is the title "think tank" more appropriate for you, because I'm not discouraging your thought, I'm just stating my personal opinion about when your thoughts have seemed to have careened off research street , and plunged directly down "foolish road".

    I don't wear blinder either. If you look at any of my post you would realize that by now. On the other hand, I don't just sign my name to any idea, because it fits my mold of what I think goes on in this country. Of course there is corruption. We all know how some of our leaders have become wealthy, and we all know that we cant always believe the governments conclusions on major calamities, but unless you show me hard evidence that my government was in cahoots with plane hijackers, terrorist organizations, firefighters, police officers, national guardsmen, and maintenance crews on September 11th as well as the days leading up to this calamity...your lovely video doesn't do your theory justice. But hey, I'm not discouraging your investigations, by all means keep looking....hell my brother still believes Tupac is alive.

    PS....someone wise once told me that if your looking for a conspiracy, your bound to find it, not because there is one, but because you want there to be one.....its called perception.

    Peace
    raheims
  • "Some of the comparisons have pointed out that the attacks of 9/11 did indeed evoke a responce, calling for the use of US military power, similar to that produced by Pearl Harbor.

    "Quoting a prediction made in 2000 by soon-to-be top officials in the Bush administration that the changes they desired would be difficult unless "A NEW PEARL HARBOR" occured.

    [the changes they desired were in the middle east]

    "A member of the US Army's Institute for Strategic Studies reported that after 9/11, "public support for military action is at levels that paralleled the public reaction after the attack on Pearl Harbor"


    Then we attacked an innocent country, begining an illegal and unjustified war for oil and power, with full public support.

    "Mission Accomplished"
  • In examining any crime, a central question must be
    "who benefits?"

    The principal beneficiaries of the destrustion of the World Trade Center are in the United States:
    the Bush administration,
    the Pentagon,
    the CIA and FBI,
    the weapons industry,
    the oil industry.

    It is reasonable to ask whether those who have profited to such an extent from this tragedy contributed to bringing it about.

    -Investigative journalist, Patrick Martin
  • When I first heard of how the first building was hit, I immediately thought that the top half of the trade center building had fallen into the river. Never would it occur to me that they would both implode like pancakes in the same exact way. We need more answers. There is something definitely wrong with the government story shoved down our throats, and that includes WTC 7.
    JanforGore
  • Thursday nights at AirAmerica. They are talking about this. You can download the podcasts.
    twodee
  • I HAVE MY DOUBTS BUT AM LEANING MORE TO BELIEVING THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB BY DUMB YA AND HIS CO-HORTS. I CAN SEE THE HOW IT MAKES SENSE WITH EACH NEW PIECE OF INFORMATION. I WOULD NOT PUT ANYTHING PAST DUMB YA. HE NEEDS TO JOIN HIS BUDDY HITLER IN THE BUNKER.
    Robroy1
  • Bush was reading to school children when he was "notified" of what was going on. Come on, people. Magically NO ONE lost their life in the "pentagon attack." ...And this is just the beginning!

    If you guys are as interested in this as I am, here's a few sites...

    http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

    911review.org

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
    brenda23
  • Some skepticism in life is healthy, but this video is just ridiculous.
    jensenjw
  • Raheims, there didn't have to be collusion with firefighters or police, they were all just doing their jobs. Did you even watch the clips from the news in the video. They were all shocked to hear and see the things they were seeing and hearing and experiencing.

    For this to be pulled off they only need a couple hundred people, so called "security" people. Why would they send crews for 12 hour shifts into the building in the days prior to 9/11?

    Perhaps it was to plant the explosive devices to weaken the columns.

    Did you know that our government was playing war games on that day acting out the very scenario that coincidentally actually did happen, and the Military at first didn't even believe the towers were actually hit because they thought it was part of the simulation?

    Wake up and smell the Starbucks! There is tons of evidence out there that some group of people within our government and military were conspiring with Saudis to bring this about.

    One final thing I wanted to say. Our friend in San Diego who is no divorced, was married to an Israeli Mussaud Agent. She called my music partner and told her the day before 9/11 that her husband had been calling around to several agents discussing something terrible that was going to happen the next day. They, the Mussaud, knew that he towers were going to be hit and were warning their people not to go to the World Trade Center the next day, not to go to work.

    Our friend divorced her husband three years later because she couldn't live with the reality that her husband was privy to the worst American tragedy before it happened but refused to tell her anymore than "it was top secret."

    Judge from this story what you will.
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    jubal
  • Also don't forget, the Patriot Act was already written before 9/11, it was rolled out when just after the disaster happened.

    Don't think for one second that the multi thousand page document was brainstormed and created in a few weeks following the attacks. The Corporate Coup De Tat that was started back during FDR's presidency had finally come to fruition.

    Read about Smedley Butler. That is all I can say.
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    jubal
  • Ok so, I overreacted a tad. Still though, why even bother with the plane business if they were just going to blow it up anyhow? They could just as easily put the blame on somebody else like they allegedly did with the planes.
  • You conspiracy nuts are all crazy. You WANT to believe that this was all planned. All your talk is speculative all your evidence is circumstantial.

    If you remember the same terrosrit group tried to do othis before and nearly succeded. They also carried out attacks on an american embassy and an american warship. They kept escalating their attacks in a logical progression of damadge starting small and going bigger. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out if you fly a plane full of super flammable feul it would melt the steel and gravity will do the rest. It just takes someone who understands physics.

    Our government didn't need a "Pearl Harbor" to get us into Iraq. Their rhetoric and half the nation ( being god fearing republicans who'll believe anything) was taking us there already. They didn't need to come up with a plan to kill americans to get overwhelming support to take us where???? AFGANISTAN to attack the Taliban who claimed responsibility.

    If it was a conspiracy they woulod have said it was Saddam and lets get him.

    For Iraq they lied and said they had nukes and we were in.

    Why would the Saudi's help us do this attack??? What do they get out of it??? Jeez why don't they help other countries stage terrorist attacks to rally their people to attack their middle east oil competition!?

    No they'd rather have america go into Iraq and get the oil themselves severing our reliance on their oil. Saudi's loosing money???? I don't think so.


    You conspiricists are helping the terrorists by instilling fear in the American public. That will only weaken our country which will hurt everyone on the global stage. Unless thats what you want to do.

    Stop
    m_andrews
  • 9/11 Ripple Effect - FULL + Special Features (HiRes)

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-33320318804863...

    A lengthy but must watch - it asks a lot of questions that should be asked. It pokes huge holes, using evidence and experts, in the official conspiration theory. It doesn't offer an alternate theory, it just demolishes the official one.
    Vierotchka
  • It is routine military procedure, that when a plane goes off course by 15 degrees or two miles, and radio contact is lost, that fighter jets are "scrambled" from the nearest bases to intercept the craft. If the plane does not respond to a series of wing signals, it will be shot down. So how did the planes make it all the way to the WTC? Why was no action taken with the second plane after the first had already crashed?
    The military claims incompetence.

    A "stand down" order must have been in place.

    "The sabotage of routine protective systems, controlled by strict hierarchies, would never have been contemplated let alone attempted absent the involvement of the supreme US military command. This includes at least... George W. Bush, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the then-Acting Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Force General Richard B. Myers."
    -Griffin, et al.
  • OF COURSE IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB. I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IN SOMETHING MORE WHOLE HEARTEDLY THAN THIS SUBJECT. IF YOU THINK OTHER WISE THAN YOUR FUCKING NAIVE! WATCH THE MOVIE LOOSE CHANGE, AND SEE IF YOU DON'T THINK THE SAME! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
    Kallico75
  • for those who need to yell "You conspiracy nuts are crazy" I gotta wonder why it is so urgent you need to name call and protect the official story. What are you protecting. Would you feel embarrassed to believe in another way of seeing things? Would you be embarrassed to find that if this is all true you fell for the lie along with so many others ? Is your ego so overwhelmingly huge that you could never admit to being tricked in this way? Do you think people who challenge the official story have a mental disorder and you feel so deeply shameful and afraid of mental disorders that you want to label these people crazy. Do you want to lock up those who think outside the box? Would you prefer everyone fall in line and obey what big daddy tells you? Are you afraid of what you may find if you challenge your own mind now and then? What are you protecting?
    twodee
  • JanforGore
  • Where do you get your information. airplanes go off course by 15 degrees to 2 miles all the time, to avoid hitting other planes, storms, turbulance, all manner of reasons, radios fail, any aircraft in the air( commercial airline) has to file a flight plan letting everyone know where they are headed so air traffic controllers can know whats going on if it goes missing. The military does not scramble jets when a civilian aircraft is off course or radio is out. The military ONLY scrambles jets when something is coming in from outside our airspace and has no identification. military ATC and FFA ATC talk to each other all the time. On 9/11 they followed normal procedure. How could anyone know they were hijacked?

    No action was taken because there was no time. we no longer keep military aircraft on alert- feuled and ready to go on the tarmac. ( costs money) If they are they are in alaska ready to intercept anything inbound. Nothing is READY TO GO in middle america. It takes upwards of an hour to scramble anything.

    LOOSE CHANGE is conspiracy propaganda by people who want to believe in anything else but the truth. It was produced by some teens who were scared and or also wanted to exploit the situation with their own government hate mongering agenda. YOU shouldn't be so naive! And using explatives only proves you have nothing valid to say or think because youy are an uneducated pleab who believes whatever the contrary position says.

    To all those who feel a need to yell "for those who need to yerll, you conspiracy nuuts are crazy" I'm glad you responded.

    It is urgent to call out anybody who puts forth an idea that is more than perposterous because they can without proof or validation of facts. It is urgent to shut down conjecture and speculation because they can't except or believe that the way this went down was so simple. We were caught with our pants down and paid for it. Will you except that or are YOU to embarrased to admit it, your ego to huge you can't bear to accept the truth.

    I challenge YOU for challenging the official story. Not because you think you are thinking outside the box, not because you think I think you have a mental disorder, not because I want people to fall in line and does what big daddy tells you, but because you think you know how the world works. You think the government can pull a fast one on the entire populous of america and only a handful of people have discovered the truth? What are you 20something and know everything?

    Do you even understand what it would take to pull off something like this if it was a conspiracy? If you did you would not have responded. You think you know, so thats why it is urgent I respond. What am I protecting? I am protecting those who can't think for themselves and will believe anything, even the ridiculous. Yes we can be fooled and we were. On 9/11 a bunch of guys took control of 3 planes and killed lots of people. Simple as that. They exploited our freedoms and beliefs to do it.

    whos afraid to admit what?

    What are you protecting?