"I was ordered to kill innocent people"

Wow

I think we need to hear more testimonials on all media fro the soldiers who are actually there day after day, instead of chickenhawk politicians and so-called pundits.

Always a powerful experience, and these men and women deserve to have their voices heard because, as his man says, they are the ones bleeding, dying, and leaving parts of their soul behind there.

Bush's decisions and arrogant swagger is the best PR campaign al-quaeda could have hoped for.

Stop the war! STOP THE WAR!!!

This guy is so full of cr*p.
He rambles on about half truths. His credentials are to be questioned, I mean come on he admits to being a drug dealer from the get go. Real outstanding guy.

NO ONE every said we're going in to IRAQ because they caused 9/11. They had nothing to do with 9/11. We know this. We have always known this.

We went into Iraq because, everyone in the world thought that Saddam had WMD's (which small amounts HAVE been found), and if he had them he would use them (he already prooved he would use them on his own people), and we could not take the chance after 9/11 that he would try and get these wmd into the hands of terrorists to use against us and our western allies.

D. Storm was stopped according to Powell, because the UN goal was to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. When they did that Powell advised to stop the war and not go into Iraq.

I'm glad someone is calling for action

you can "buzz up" this story on yahoo, click on the buzz up link above. Let's get this story heard!

wow wow wow wow...im speechless. i need to let this settle then respond with something more articulate.

impeach bush

Wow..we have to get this clip out for everyone to see...

The 20th century French novelist Anatole France wrote:

"War will disappear only when men shall take no part whatever in violence and shall be ready to suffer every persecution that their abstention will bring them."

The volunteer us army is nothing more than the draft of the poor and disadvantaged in a country that cannot supply jobs to its willing work force, so, the country goes to war and offers all sorts of promises and jobs.

Lets stand up for peace..I mean STAND!!!

Wow. Watch out for those children. We've created a new batch of terrorists, and they're coming. Appeasement my ass! This war has had the exact opposite effect on our security and there aren't enough words in the english dictionary to truly express, "I told you so," correctly.

Amen Tikiman! I won't address karrde, I'll just give you props for doing that for me, haha.

Like I've said before, I have several relatives including my twin brother who currently serve in the armed forces. I can tell you for a fact most of the soldiers over there in Iraq wouldn't be able to tell you what their mission is besides the usual, "Trying to help stabilize the country" or "Giving the people of Iraq, a democracy". I wonder how the country became so unstable or if democracy is really the answer for every country's problems? Rhetorical question of course, I think we know the answer to both.

I don't like to knock the armed services or the people serving, like I said I have close relatives in the military. Having said that I will say that I ask them on a regualr basis if following orders is worth the casualties that occur daily amongst the civilians during war. They never answer, just say that they "Have to follow orders", because if they don't they may be responsible for their fellow soldiers (brothers) being killed.

I get tired of hearing this logic from them, but understand they really think they are doing something that needs to be done for their own survival. It's not about the big picture when you're following orders, just about getting out of there (Iraq or Afghanistan) alive.

We need to hear the first hand accounts. The truth will set us free...

WMD have been found. Open your eyes and stop listening to the lies of the left, by the way some of the stories of found WMD's are from them too:

www.worldnetdaily.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213

www.washingtonpost.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006063001528.html

www.democratictalkradio.com
http://www.democratictalkradio.com/demvoices-03wmd.html

www.defenselink.mil
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

Shall I find more for you. Oh None are from Foxnews.

In my oppion, being a drug dealer is way worse than being a drug user.

A user only recks his life and those close to him/her.

A dealer recks the lives of hundreds of families.

A user has a personal sickness.

A dealer is the socitial sickness.

tikiman -
And don't give me the crap line that "if you have not been there you can't talk about it" That is as much BS as anything else. You did not get magically indued with some sort of higher thinking process, becuase of you life's experience. We both can think evenly and logically thruogh a discussion of this magnitude. SO stop trying to discredit someone's opinion based on that.

Secondly, you probably don't care about this part but it is true:
I respect you for your service to this country more than I could ever tell you in any way, shape or form. Thank you.

Okay, now I will have to comment on something Karrde posted!

Karrde - It's kind of ironic that you use the links above as proof that Iraq had WMDs, since the WMDs that these reports are talking about were supplied to Hussein and Iraq by the good ol' US of A. We (not 'we' literally, but the collective government of the time) gave them those weapons and now we are going to conveniently use these weapons to argue they were "holding out" on the weapons they had? We knew about those a long time ago.

The trouble is most Americans are retarded like Karrde and always find ways to "hear what they want to hear" to perpetrate their racist and bigoted opinions on the rest of the world.

Karrde, why don't you admit you have more trouble with the religious practices, skin color, way of life, and beliefs of Iraqis rather than the threat they pose to Americans. It's also ironic that you talk about our (the people with brains and open minds) "hate filled minds", when you are the one that is condoning the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians due to a political ruse perpetrated by a corrupt administration.

P.S.
My eyes are wide open, and so are my nostrils, which is why I can smell bullshit miles away.

Oh and your thoughts on the whole "drug dealer", "drug user" discussion is enlightening (I'm being a smart ass of course). Why not talk about what makes the "war on drugs" such a failure and why the country never seems to gain any ground in that "war"?

By the by, if there weren't any users to sell drugs to, there wouldn't be a drug business. Of course, you'll probably turn this discussion into the "chicken or the egg" argument.

Why all the shout downs. Hate the game, not the player.

“An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out.” –Will Rogers

The context is in general, it’s not meant for a particular person.

Pwdrskir - Is there ever a time when the player should "put the ball down" and refuse to play because it undermines the point of playing. In other words, if the game we're playing is "ensuring the safety of Americans and that Iraqi civilians are free of tyrants" then what is the point of "playing the game" if the actions we're taking will mean there will be no audience (eventually everyone around the world will hate us and be after us, not just middle eastern countries and Iraqi civilians will continue to be killed off by any one of the militant groups we're arming once we're out of Iraq).

And that quote is great, however it implies we are all ignorant because we all act (by being inactive) as though we don't know that this country is headed for disaster sooner than we think.

Mafioso -
I agree with your thoughts on the drugs issue.

However you are wrong about me being prejudice. I have no problem with Iraq citizens at all. I very sorry that they had to live under brutal dictatorship for most of their lives. I hope and wish them the best.

Oh and I'm getting tired of the "game" analogy for life, issues, and arguments. That anology sucks because games in most sports always have cheaters, uneven advantages and matchups. And just as in life, usually the team with the most money and resources trumps the team with little money and no resources (unless it's an "underdog wins" true story turned into a Hollywood blockbuster). I also hate those movies too.

Well Karrde, that's a little hard to believe since you automatically discredited someone for being a "drug dealer", when you don't know the circumstances of that choice.

I'd like to believe that you are not prejudiced against Iraqis but since you also discredit the statement,
"I was ordered to kill innocent people" by calling it a half truth, I doubt you are as "open minded" as you claim to be. I think you oughta dig deep and be honest with yourself.

All I am saying, Is I also know men and women who were over there and are over there now and they do not have the same oppinion is this gentleman.

For him to say, "he thought they were over there for 9/11," I believe he is being disingenious, when every other service person, I have talked to knew quite clearly that 9/11 had nothing to do with the reasons why they were there and we were there to stop Saddam from giving WMDs( wether we gave them to him in the first place or not) to someone else, i.e. terrorists, to use against us.

I know what you are saying, just like I know that not all service men or women believe the same thing this particular individual is saying.

My point isn't who's right or wrong about WMD's, I am saying if WMD's were such a concern, why would we(the USA) be arming other armies for our own benefit (such as Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Sudan) with them (WMD's) and then turning around and saying they (those regimes or countries) shouldn't do the same thing.

We put all those leaders (Hussein, Bin Laden, etc) in power and then we try to turn them into the enemy of the "free" world when they don't do exactly as we say.

When you say we weren't in Iraq because of 9/11, then why did the Bush administration claim there was a link to Bin Laden via Hussein and use that as a selling point of the war? Why did they use the loss of life on 9/11, saying "we shouldn't let their deaths be in vain" when selling the war? Why did he (Bush) try and is still trying to convince us that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded?

You'd like to think you know that there was never any connection between 9/11 and invading Iraq. You'd also like to think we went in there for valid reasons, such as Hussein "might have" sold WMD's to terrorists, when we all know he never would have sold WMDs to most terrorist organizations in the middle east, because doing so would have given other militant groups that he was suppressing while in power the ability to oust him as leader.

So your argument might make sense, but facts and reason dictate otherwise Karrde. So although I do understand your argument, I also understand it has no validity whether it's coming from your mouth or the mouths of those fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan.