Man divorced for trying to see wife's face

how do they have sex?

hmmm... they don't kiss, do they?

I wonder if he's seen her vagina.... I mean, if these women are THAT protective of their face.... I wonder if the wear undergarments during sex also, and he can't look at it..... what a lame sex life that must be.

like she said marriage is about love not faces lol.

Whomever oppressed an entire sex into thinking they must be shrouded entirely from the public eye is most likely burning in hell.

Yeah, that chauvinist is most likely burning in hell, wherever that is. Nevertheless, it's extremely depressing to me that these women are so tied to this tradition they feel they have to end their marriages. I wish these women could somehow be “unbrainwashed” and realize that they’re slaves to a tradition based solely on religious misogyny. Marriage is also about sharing yourself completely -- face, vagina and all!

this is so stupid, it's a tradition not to show your face but it's OK to get divorced, that makes a lot of sense, I guess a blow job is out of the question?

Another shining example of how religion enhances our lives.

i think you're all pretty stupid. women ninjas are hot!!!

They're probably ugly anyway, hence the veil....

I hate to sound cruel and ignorant but hopefully someday Islam will outgrow such oppressive traditions and mind-sets like the rest of the world's major religions.

This highlights the vast cultural differences between the Islamic world and the west. It’s difficult to understand how any effective, loving relationship could be carried out shrouded in so much distance and mystery. It seems that any interaction between a husband and wife so divided would be hopelessly mechanical and emotionless. I suppose however we must be respectful of differing cultural norms, no matter how strange and ineffective they seem. The choice of how they live their lives is theirs, not ours.

Why cover the face and not the eyes? A woman's eyes are the most personal, intimate, and feminine part of the entire body, let alone the face. If you don't want to show your face, that's fine, but then I say don't show your eyes either. If I were her I'd wear mirror shades.

I don’t care how well you can do a black flip and or toss throwing stars. If I’ve been your man for thirty years and I can't sneak a peek at your face, well as the saying goes ” You gotta the hell out of here.” Poor guy I actually feel sorry for him.

i don't feel sorry for the guy - he should have known before marrying her what her traditions were - he's an idiot - and she is a proud upholder of her heritage . F him.

my wife just slapped me for asking her to cover her face while we...you know. she was cool with the wig though.

btw, i just learned that marriages based on love are fairly recent in human history and are more likely to end in divorce than arranged marriages which tend to be permanent. go figure.

Ok let me get this straight. A guy remains married to a woman for thirty years despite an unearthly religious doctrine. He makes a very human mistake-curiosity-and is then divorced because he’s actually human instead of a shrouded robot without a sense of empathy. This is the point where I sarcastically say

RRRrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt.

If you marry for love and then the love goes away, you have no reason to stay married.
If you married for money you stay married till he is poor, or dead.
If you married for religous purposes you dont get divored until, well, the apocalypse. Or until you see how ugly she actually is.


What if she had an Adam's apple under there?

Marriage will die off soon. A few generations down the road, and they'll be laughing at that ridiculous tradition.

Maybe some women over there are really self concious and instead of hiding behind make-up or whatever they just think to hell with it and cover it all up. Personally i think our society is just as wierd, with the pressure on women to look good, remain forever young and wear the latest clothes fashions.

This tradition is not really a religious tradition. The Koran doesn't state that women should cover their faces, it stipulates that women should cover their breasts and their hair. Most Muslim women do not cover their faces, and a great many do not even wear a scarf. In Mohammed's days, the women from the upper classes and from certain tribes went around bare-breasted and loose long hair, which naturally aroused many men. Therefore, Mohammed and the Koran advised women to cover up.

Ueithomas has probably said the most relevant thing in this post. And thanks Vierotchka, because I was wondering if it was religious practice or not. I think it would be more prudent to actually do some reading and trying to understand it, then just posting judgements. And I find it interesting that so many people have such a negative view of Islam, specifically. True, it may be a bit incomprehensible to us, but we are probably the same to them...

Didn’t this happen in Saudi Arabia where they require women to cover their face in public? The reason why I bring this up is to illustrate the fact that Muslims throughout the world do not adhere to one set of guidelines. Just like in Christianity some people interpret their holy scriptures differently from others of the same faith. So while this may not be required in the Koran it is undoubtedly asked of by some people.

And yes Areoh some people find this practice to be taboo. I’m glad you realized this. However being pc for the sake of being pc is about as inhuman as wearing a veil over your face all the time. The thing that makes this story so interesting is not that a Muslim woman asked for a divorce. What’s truly interesting is that a devout religious person would ask for a divorce for a sole infraction against her faith and or tradition. If you’re so devoted that you would go your whole marriage without revealing your face why would you be so unable to practice a little forgiveness?

Most of the people who commented on this thread were not per say slamming Islam. We’re actually slamming religion in general for its constant inhuman and ridiculous guidelines which go against human nature. For a marriage to dissolve because an individual wanted to see the face of his significant other is stupid and I have no qualms with saying such.

Ha, how did I know Ricky84 would respond. Ok, let's break it down. Being PC is one thing, but looking for answers without being hostile is a complete other thing. Far be it from me to try to understand a thing first, without calling it "stupid". I admire your willingness to speak honestly. We truly don't have enough of that. However, speaking honestly does not always entail insulting people's situation.

And you can couch your distain in a generality if you like, but there is an obvious uncomfortableness and loathing when people talk about Islam. No one is going to say outright "Islam is dumb!", of course, but we still express our views all the same. And it's pretty clear a lot of folks view on it are, well, socialized to be honest.

As far as the reason behind the divorce, they are no more ridiculous than anyone over here splitting up for the multitude of reasons we see everyday. Her social perspective is different, so her values aren't the same as ours. Obviously that is something important to her. We may or may not agree, but I will say there is a better way to express that particular feeling without being hostile and making rash judgements about someone else's belief system. To be clear, it is a little off to me as well, but I don't feel the need to make judgement about her character or her faith.

They must have that freaky deaky ninja roleplay sex.

Haven’t you learned by now that you cannot twist my reasoning around to fit your own viewpoint?

Omg I didn’t make a rash judgment in ignorance. I understand enough about this issue to comment about it ? Look AreOh you’re being so PC right now that I’m having a problem finding the meat in your argument. Everything is all soupy and I’m a chunky man myself. So please stop making generalizations about what I have to say because you cannot accept the fact that someone could disagree with this woman’s actions.

Now see this is your problem; you’re turning this into an America verse Islam argument when its not. I don’t care about why people over here get divorced. I wasn’t advocating anything or anyone. All I was trying to say is that it’s a little ironic that such a pious woman could have no concept of forgiveness. I have nothing against Islam. I actually have a lot of family members who are Muslims.

I’m calling you overly PC because you cannot accept the idea of things being taboo/weird without there being some sort of prejudice involved. This is wrong. She is initialed to her opinion just as I am. What is important is that we do not use these opinions as the basis for a prejudice justification. I’m not going to run out to form the “hate Muslim women” organization because of this ladies actions. I’m not going to treat any Muslim differently because of her actions either. I called her stupid for a given reason. Please refer to my previous post cause I’m not going to explain it again.

So yeah I can be hostile in the face of a stupid action. I learned it from my pops. He is the king of the frown whenever confronted with stupid. I can’t help but emulate that man, its as much a part of me as that woman’s traditions are to her.

I love this...
Ok, Rick, it's a little difficult to have an honest convo when you don't read what I am saying. I am making no generalizations, because I am referring to what you are saying specifically. I am using your words. I didn't say this woman was stupid. I didn't call her a robot with no empathy. I didn't characterize her religion, which is Islam, as unearthly. Ha, and I didn't use the 'hey I have Muslim friends' argument. You can call it whatever you want, but this says bias to me. True, you may not hate Islam, and I hope you don't, but there is definitely a prejudice based on the evidence of what you are saying in this post. Perhaps my stand point is too specific and you are prejudiced against all forms of religion, but I have not see that.

And if you actually read what I said, I do agree with you on some points. It does seem a bit harsh. However, I don't feel the need to go into critical judgement and call her some of the things that you did. I don't have a problem with you taking offense to her actions. You're right in that we all have our own opinions. But slandering her, and her religion, as you have clearly done makes your rants no better than the average ignorant person who uses generalizations themselves (can you use the PC one more time?) to get their point across. It gives less credibility to what you are saying, you know?

It's interesting that you are doing the very same thing you say we shouldn't, which is using opinions as the basis for prejudice justification. Ha, this clearly is not an America vs. Islam debate, which we can speak on if you like. The meat of my argument lies with you, and your un-needed hostility. And read what I am saying a couple of times so you get it all. Twisting your reasoning is something I could care less about. Disagree all you want. This is America, baby. Just make an effort to not fall into the same things that you are condemning, my friend.

That's not an Islamic principle. That's just a family tradition. There is nothing in Islamic law that forbids family members or other woman from seeing a Muslim woman casually attired. Furthermore, Young girls and old ladies (according to Islamic law) are not required to be formally attiered even in general public in full view of complete strangers of the opposite sex and all that jazz.

It doesn't mean that you'll never find an example of some person who thinks otherwise, but it's not based upon Islamic Law. In fact, several misconceptions about Islam have developed by traditional innovations.

It's also worth pointing out that "traditional innovation" IS forbidden in Islam. So, not only does Islam not say to do things like that, it goes further to say, "don't do things like that". But perhaps I should elaborate before someone makes the assumption that traditional innovation would result in severe punishment or something... There is no punishment for Traditional innovation, it's just something that you are not supposed to do. It means that, in doing these things, you are not behaving like a "Muslim". And contrary to popular Western belief, a lot of "Muslims" don't act Muslim... and they don't get killed off for it. Consequently, there is alot of traditional innovation that gets attributed to Islam.

Over-the-top control. This abounds everywhere. But it sounds as though the woman has truly bonded with her veil, not her husband.

Ya what an archaic primitive culture!!!!! They probably burn people for saying the earth revolves around the sun!!!! Maybe they have outlawed reading and writing before.

They are not archaic and they aren't primitive! Does someone need a history lesson here? maybe DB Cooper?, the renaissance wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for Arabic and Moroccan academia, the Greeks and the Spaniards adopted most of their academic axioms from Arabian Afro-Nubian thought (Morocco), but this isn't information you would get with a typical education so your narrow minded comments don't surprise me... Their traditions maybe a bit irrational, but let's not go around insulting anyones culture, this is probably 1 of maybe a few isolated cases. Who's to say that our culture isn't primitive?, people barely even commune in a community in the united states, everyones so offish and distant, I would say that a people who no longer commune, live in an ''archaic and primitive culture''.....

Can you believe this guy DB Cooper? damn....

I think this has a lot less to do with religious or cultural traditions as it has to do with respect. He married her with the understanding that he would never see her face, only to one day break over 30 years of trust for simple curiosity. In her shoes, I think you'd be pissed too, no matter your particular reasons for covering your face.

Some of us probably have traditions that seem ridiculous to others, but they're still our traditions and they're important to us. This woman is no different, no matter what you may think of the tradition itself.

I agree with you Allsunday. but, you know what? come on, after 30 years without having ''broken the veil'' so to speak, his wife couldn't understand his curiosity?, kind of selfish and insensitive of her, sooo, what? 30 years means nothing? she can just brush off the marriage with a divorce, I don't see the Love...... I see a cold irrational devotion to her ''Traditions'' and not her marriage...

She can see his face and he can't see hers?

Fair?

I think not.

The idea that love isn't about your appearance is right, but I don't think you have to go to such extremes to attain that kind of relationship. Think of how much stronger love is when you do see all of them and love it unconditionally.

Ya know, the first thing I thought of when I read this was female empowerment, not how bad she is. At least one person thought it was a good idea to not show their face, and other women followed through with it to the extent that it became cultural tradition. By breaking the shroud, her husband broke the rules and tradition. After all, no means no, right?

How is it that people are up to holding this tradition as ok but not ok when marriage, traditionally man and woman, is stated to be only between a man and a woman?

It's hypocritical to uphold one while forcing another to change.

It's neither a religious tradition nor a cultural tradition... It's a "family tradition."

Let's be perfectly clear about that. Let's not use the wackiness of the situation to go off and blast a religion or a culture that have nothing to do with it. If you want to pass judgment on the tradition, then Judge the family that originated it.

Islamically speaking, such behavior is grounds for him to divorce her... not the other way around. In Islam, a husband has a right to see his wife's face. Personally, I think he should have never gotten involved with a woman who has these strange notions, because they suggest a deeper psychological problem might be involved here.

No, I'm not being disrespectful. The fact is, strange neurotic behavior does tend to suggest a psychological problem. And I think it was reckless of him to start a family with a woman who might not be mentally stable.