Robert F. Kennedy Jr. defends Clinton's remarks

What is he supposed to say? She needs to go home.

With all due respect why does it matter what RFk Jr. says about this matter?

Obama was the target of her comment.
She didn't offend the Kennedy's but the Obama's.

I think after this Michelle will kill any effort to put Hill on the ticket. If she had not done that already.

I'm shocked that RFK's own son would betray him like that.

Clinton's remarks are indefensible.

How can any superdelegate still support her?

He's in a terrible position. Nobody wants to talk about this...like M_M said, what is he supposed to say? And stardate makes a pretty good point, saying I'm going to stick around in case somebody kills the guy who beat me, just like they did Bobby Kennedy is not only offensive to the Kennedy family.

Andrew Sullivan is right, she has imploded.

Remarks about what? About how RFK got assassinated in June? Come on, you Obama freaks had your panties in a bunch when people were all over Michelle Obama's comment about never having been proud of America until now. Oh wait, she said she had never been as proud to be an American as she is now. You see how people can twist what you say.

It is a fact that he (RFK) got assassinated in June, so she wasn't mistaken when she made that comment. It's not like she said, "Remember that bastard that got shot in June, no one told him to drop out of the race". Anyone who is "offended" by this statement needs to build a bridge and get over it.

Don't pay attention to her and she'll go away.

More spin Mafioso. Senator Clinton says something incredibly stupid and your response? Hey...remember when Michelle Obama said something stupid. Remember that? She said something stupid too. Nice. An argument worthy of about the third grade. Maybe we can fight it out during recess.

What about Obama? She was hinting at the fact that he could be shot. To stay in a campain on the chance that the other person could get shot is sick and morbid.

His mother Ethel does not support her neither do his siblings and many of his cousins. I am sorry that she will be aproached to respond and that her pain has been dragged out now. The thoughts and fear that surfaced in that climate being dredged up now 40 years later still are raw and last month was the first time she visited the monument dedicated in his honour in Indianapolis commemorating the tragedy of both his and MLK's assasinations. She waited more than a decade. I have had the chance to speak to people who were there when he passed away at the rally in California, dozens who atended his famous rally in Indianapolis, and have cried at the sight of the monument here. If RFK is indeed a ripple of hope these comments are a ripple of intolerance and I am sad that the family has to relive this tragedy and that a presidential candidate who has known the peril of death threats, who had a crazed man at the white house front lawn with an ak47 while she was inside, who has had to live with secret service personal for two decades simply knows better. She has known the anxiety associated around assasination. She was at the dedication ceremonies for the Kennedy King monument. She was even a guest speaker. I have no doubt she meant no harm by these comments, I simply think that they were candid and that they were on her mind because of the recent news within the Kennedy family. That didn't make it any less inapropriate and it certainly makes the timing worse not better for the family. The fact that she didn't apologize to either McCain or Obama for interjecting the specter of assasination into the race is also sad and exacerbates the comments.

Ummm Krag, I think you missed the point of my comment. It happens to be the point you just made. Which is who gives a shit about these comments, let's talk about what the fuck these people are gonna actually do once in office. Which, if it's Clinton, McCain, or Obama, I can already tell you what...Not a god damn thing.

Change isn't rallying behind someone, it's taking to the streets and walking beside someone and marching toward the same goal, REVO-FUCKING- LUTION! So stick a sock in it and take some action son.

OMG, you guys need to brush up on your history. And I'm not talking the history you were brainwashed with in history class while you weren't napping or having wet dreams.

JFK and RFK both voted against civil rights bills while senators. RFK was responsible for giving the ok to wiretap MLK. JFK also vetoed many civil rights bills while president.

RFK didn't change his tune until after MLK was assassinated and some associates close to RFK say it was the call he made to Coretta after the assassination that made him become a champion for change. In fact MLK's assassination sparked the need for change because the climate of the social scene at the time implied changes needed to be made or total chaos would ensue.

And like I've said before, Obama hasn't said what policies he'll enact as implements for change. So, as far as I'm concerned he's no better than Clinton or McCheese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz1lr0fHVp0

RFK ordered federal marshals to protect the freedom riders, got MLK out of jail on more than one occasion, and supported Ceazer Chaves when it wasn't politicaly expedient to do so. He did wiretap King buunder the pressure of a corrupt FBI under Herbert Hoover which was also wiretapping him and his brother. He also chalenged the FBI and went after organized crime. And he saved Indianapolis from race riots reminded us of our better halves, the parts of us that King apealed to. The man was a loss to us all.

And if anyone else implies that Hillary wants Obama to be assassinated, I'm gonna fucking assassinate you. Everyone needs to stop being oversensitive punetas.

I'm not even voting for Clinton and I've probably been her biggest defender when it comes to the bullshit people are spewing about her. Now, if she were saying shit about Nader, then thems is fighting words. I'll be the first to slip on the gloves (fuck the gloves, I'll go with the brass). Haha.

she seems desperate. And she will say anything just to stay in the race. However, she is right about staying, there is no final candidate yet.

Okay, the three examples you gave still don't explain why he never voted in favor of civil rights legislation and you also don't explain why he got MLK out of jail those times. I could, however you'd probably dredge up another not so important fact to refute the facts that matter most.

Look, you're right about the FBI being corrupt at the time, but saying he "went along" with their wishes and using it as an excuse for him not standing up to the corruption from the get go is a little lame. I actually respect RFK for the little he did do and how he went against what everyone else thought he should do to clinch the nomination for presidency (as most speculated he would have had he not been assassinated). He knew that he needed to speak to the youth because they were the implements needed for true change.

However, the same way I'm critical of those politicians who today use the excuse that they "don't have the votes" to pass necessary legislation to move this country forward, I'll be critical of someone who is represented as something that his voting record and actions don't support. He was a voice for change when he finally saw the light, but that still doesn't change the fact that there were a lot of things he and JFK "went along" with, that they could've taken a stand against.

Saying it wasn't the "in" thing to do at the time, doesn't afford them any leniency from me thinking they could've done more. I feel the same way about the politicians of today, although I am way more critical of those in current times, since change is possible on a grander scale given we head in the right direction, under the right leadership.

I'm not saying RFK was a bad guy, I'm just pointing out it's easy to idealize someone when they are gone and you choose to remember what was best about them. I'm being a bit more objective.

I'm sure when Hillary is gone (I'm not implying anytime soon), we'll remember her for all the great things she did and not say, "Oh remember that time we thought Hillary was implying Obama should be assassinated".

Or it could be that Americans are just stupid.

Well most of them, obviously I would be one of the exceptions.

The civil rights movement was skeptical of Kennedy. He had served on the senate unamerican comitee, as a young lawyer and King and other leaders at first thought very littel of him. He earned their respect from hard fought victories in the civil rights movement, and because he could relate to their sense of personal loss. The man was Irish, and only a generation removed from Irish need not apply signs and all of the xenophic persecution that existed at the turn of the century.

Kennedy's efforts in urban renewall in Bedford Styvusen, his use of federal agents to shield protestors including the freedom riders, his user of his own person at times putting himself at risk of bodily harm to open schools that wouldn't integrate. He went to South African and spoke out against Aparthied. He traveled to Soa Poalo in Brazil, Mexico City, and Apallachia to some of the poorests and most dissafected areas on the entire planet and reached out to the poor. I don't have a vision of him in an Ivory tower but having seen what he did to wihout the aid of secret service agents at great and ultimately fatal risk to himself has inspired me and I can't think of a comparable American leader today. To see the way people gravitated to him, white, black, latino, asian, poor and rich is truly moving.

Mafioso, What she said was indefensible. The woman wants to be president so bad she is insane, and apparently none of her family and friends can stop her from going down the road to ruin. It is kind of sad, but the destruction of the Democratic Party or for that matter an individual is not more important than Hillary's quest. Hillary knows the same as anyone with an IQ above today's temperature that when you say shit like that there are nuts that will try to carry it out.

Ah Mafioso...sorry, but you must have missed my point. I wasn't suggesting we should ignore these comments. I think Clinton said something incredibly stupid and how people are responding to it is understandable.

None of us know her intention, including you, so to speculate on what she meant and why she would say it is fair game. Unless you're so in the tank for her that you feel questioning her highness is just not tolerated. I know there are some posters here who feel that way, not sure if you are one of them yet, but it won't matter much to me if you are.

All your revisionist history about RFK aside, what I'm talking about happened yesterday, not 40 years ago. I don't know if she made this remark to be deliberately provocative, or if it was just a Freudian slip. But the fact is she's said it before, so her "The Kennedys were just on my mind because of Ted" excuse carries no water. And there are other examples of candidates who were still running in June but who weren't assassinated, including Teddy Kennedy. So why use the RFK example unless you are trying to make some other point, either consciously or not.

With that said, I don't think she's sending Obama a message. Or signaling extremist that she wants someone to kill him. There are people who are getting carried away with this, just like there always are. But at best, this was an incredibly stupid thing to say. Defend it and rationalize it all you want, but the fact that she trying so hard and so quickly to control the damage is a pretty clear sign that she knows she f*cked up.

Attacking Hillary Clinton for simply stating RFK and Bill Clinton were still in the presidential primary race in June is insane and shows how far the press and the Obama camp will go in twisting anything Hillary Clinton says.

Hillary Clinton said nothing about Barack Obama.

But the Obama camp will spin and turn her comment about a race three decades ago into a scandal.

Just shows how desparate they are.

They can't find anything substantive to criticize Hillary Clinton about, so they turn a simple statement of fact into a vehicle for their insane fantasies.

Bottom line is Hillary Clinton is the real change candidate. Obama has no new ideas and no plans to turn his pretty words into real action for change.

Obama is also losing in the polls to McCain nationwide. Get ready for President McCain.

Touch Art: I agree.The media seems more than willing to spin this for their weekend story, and the same people who trashed it for their Reverend Wright media fiasco are now more than willing to cozy up to that same media because they are doing it to the candidate they hate. Hypocrisy at its best. Politics is truly bs.

The fact is that Reverend Wright isn't running for office and the media was crucifying Obama for his "association". Hillary actually said this herself, no "association" to muddy the waters here. Add that comment to the list of lies she's told and innuendos by both Hillary and Bill and it is anything but a simple historical recollection. If Hillary is hated by some it's because she has run one of the sleaziest campaigns ever witnessed because she feels so entitled. She feels so entitled that she and Bill are now insisting she be at least asked to be VP. Maybe we should not only change the rules in midstream, but cut down on the primary process by making a new rule that whoever comes in second is automatically the VP. Besides, whatever is believed the lady was history for all intents and purposes long before she said that. She has the right to stay in as long as she wants but she isn't going anywhere thankfully.

I like current.com because it’s like an interactive talk soup (or the soup as it’s called now) You can find all types of interesting stuff without having to be in the know or part of that scene. Since I don’t watch MSNBC I probably would of missed this but thankfully joshzimerman was nice enough to post it. The link below will take you to a special comment by Keith Olbermann and I think it will sum up this whole debate better than I or anyone else can.

By the way Jan I wouldn’t be so quick to call politics bs. I remember not so long ago you make an incredibly insensitive comment. Something like “You know who’s another good orator besides Obama? Hitler.” When you got called out you played the same exact card as Hilary Clinton by stating that its “historically” accurate and therefore ok.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24798368#24798368

Hillary Clinton didn't say anything of the evil things Obama supporters claim. they are just spinning. Putting words into the other candidates mouthe and misinterpreting her words, does not make the lies true. Another example of the high road the Obama Campaign keeps telling us they are running.

Obama has not won this nomination. The Obama campaign can't find anything substantive to defeat Hillary Clinton, so they resort to this spin aided by the corporate controlled media who abhor Hillary Clinton because they know she would be a President who would bring real change and limit the power of the multinational corporations that buy and control the news.

Hillary Clinton is a dedicated proven public servant. She has worked equally for people of all colors and for all Americans living in poverty and in need of health care.

The vitriole, hatred and name-calling by the Obama supporters can not change the facts.

Hillary Clinton has 35 years of proven dedication to Americans. Barack Obama has no actions to back up his inspiring words.

Instead, Senator Obama's actions in his first term were to promise Illinois citizens a senate nuclear bill, gut it after pressure from Senate Republicans and campaign contributions from nuclear energy corporations and let it die on the Senate floor, but then tell the voters in Iowa that he passed a senate bill to protect against nuclear radiation leaks.

Senator Obama's lack of experience and disconnect between his lofty words and lack of action and his facile ability to lie to voters and win them over with his great sustainable energy plan because he already protected Americans from nuclear radiation leaks with his "only senate bill", make his claim of being a different kind of politician ring hollow.

Voters who believe the Obama hype will be disappointed in November when he loses to the experienced war hero Senator McCain.

But they can rest easy knowing they responded just the way the Obama campaign hoped by going for the handsome smooth talking man over the woman who could do a great job and make real change for America and the world.

Sexism is so deeply rooted that it is easily activated in the masses. Obama supporters have used every sexist attack, slur and tactic to undermine support for Hillary Clinton. They are smug and self-satisfied when they call her a "bitch", "witch", "Shillary", etc and dis her for her pantsuits. What they forget is how using sexism to destroy Hillary Clinton in favor of their "hero" Barack Obama, they have increased the level of tolerance for woman hating across the nation. The men doing this should think about how a high level of tolerance for bigotry against women will affect their mothers, sisters, wifes, girlfriends and daughters. And the women who say they are feminists when they state they'd vote for a woman, but just not this women, should think about how the heightened hostility towards women that they helped increase, will affect them the next time they ask for a raise, apply for a job, or run for public office.

Hillary Clinton said nothing that could be construed as having anything to do with Barack Obama in her remarks about why she will stay in the race until June.

But the sexist slurs, name-calling, and attacks against Hillary Clinton in this campaign will hurt all women and have a lasting deletrious effect on women in the workplace and politics.