Obama says Clinton "stirring up" Florida controversy

...and we can understand it as well. This is reason numero uno as to why Hillary should just bow out gracefully:

She can't win unless she changes the rules. And if the rules are changed, then WE lose.

Obama/Edwards-Gore-Anyone But Hillary 2008

...my sentiments exactly, radiovolume.

Hillary's overweaning pride at work. Her most negative character flaw. Her most negative political flaw. She is not one to compromise. How would this play out if she becomes president?

Florida and Michigan votes should count.
If Obama had won those states, he would insist they be counted.

Obama shows his claim of running a different kind of campaign is bogus when he agrees that Florida votes shouldn't be counted because they were forced to break democratic primary rules by the Republican controlled Florida Legislature.

Obama could have had his name on the ballot in Michigan. That he chose not to shows either he doesn't respect the people of Michigan, or his campaign was planning to fight having Michigan's votes counted since they knew Hillary Clinton would carry the state even if Obama's name was on the ballot.

Obama uses the petty rules that disenfranchise over 2 1/2 million voters in Florida and Michigan because all he cares about is winning.

But in November, if the Dems make the mistake of nominating Obama, the voters in Florida and Michigan will have their say and not vote for Obama since he stonewalled so effectively to have their votes disenfranchised.

Obama is a very different candidate. He is the first African American candidate on record for acquiesing to the disenfranchisement of millions of voters for his own advantage.

"Florida and Michigan votes should count.
If Obama had won those states, he would insist they be counted."

Not a fact but speculation based on what?

"Obama could have had his name on the ballot in Michigan. That he chose not to shows either he doesn't respect the people of Michigan, or his campaign was planning to fight having Michigan's votes counted since they knew Hillary Clinton would carry the state even if Obama's name was on the ballot."

He AGREED not to put his name on the ballot along with every other democrat running at the time. Only Hillary ignored the agreement and now wants to votes to count. When you're the only one on the ballot it becomes a dictatorship.

"Obama uses the petty rules that disenfranchise over 2 1/2 million voters in Florida and Michigan because all he cares about is winning."

The petty rules were dictated by the DNC and Florida and Michigan were aware of this when they changed the dates in defiance. Obama isn't "using" the petty rules individually to disenfranchise anyone. He's just following the rules he agreed to.

We already have an administration that follows no rules. Hillary has shown the same trait.

No amount of double-speak or rationalization on the part of the Obama camp can change the fact that Obama has sent a message to the voters of Florida and Michigan that he supports rules that disenfranchised them.
I don't want a good little rule follower who picks and chooses the rules he'll follow when it is to his advantage as president.
Real leaders know when rules are wrong and result in disenfranchising voters.
That Obama would use the "we're just following the rules" excuse, is another reason he should not be President.

Clinton supported the same rules when it didn't matter to her. I really don't understand how you can attribute those qualities to Obama, when it is so clearly Clinton exercising them.

Voters who think any manipulation of rules can justify the disenfranchisement of over 2 1/2 million voters in Florida and Michigan do not understand the basic rules of democracy that require, one person, one vote and that all votes be counted.

The problem with your argument TouchArt is that it is Hillary who is trying to manipulate the rules.

This has been stated counted times but you guys never seem to get it:

Hillary Clinton agreed that the delegates of Florida and Michigan would not be seated if they moved up their primaries. Where was she when that decision was made? Where was her outrage concerning voter disenfranchisement then? The fact is, she didn't and doesn't now give a rat's ass about the individual voters of either state. She thought she had the nomination in the bag and figured they were throw away states.

This is why this whole scenario has only one possible outcome for Hillary.

Failure.

TouchArt is correct...

Our Constitution says that each and every American citizen has the right to vote and once the vote is cast it should be rightfully counted.

Additonally, each state has a Constitution which says the same thing...

And there are numbers of Judicial rulings on the subject.

I am most certain that all of you, who are against the votes being counted in Michigan & Florida would most probably feel very differently if the situation was reversed!!!!

Shows how badly our education system is...when young people make bad mistakes in judgement on something so sacred to our way of life...

If you are so happy to take away those votes, why stop there?

When are you going to tell me that I can't vote?

Nice try, but let's not get sidetracked.

This situation has never been about the Constitution or the sacred right of FL/MI voters. It has been about the choices made by each of those states concerning their respective primaries and the consequences of those choices. If they had decided to just leave well enough alone and held their primaries, as scheduled, we wouldn't be in this situation and the delegates would have been seated. They had plenty of notice and still chose to move them in spite of the aforementioned consequences.

Everyone knew the rules. Everyone agreed to the rules. And all was well with the world...

...until Hillary figured out she couldn't sniff the nomination unless she went back on her word and laid claim to the "lost votes" of each of the two states.

Patrick, I also take issue with a few other things you posted.

"I am most certain that all of you, who are against the votes being counted in Michigan & Florida would most probably feel very differently if the situation was reversed!!!!"

However true that statement may or may not be, the fact of the matter is that if it WERE Obama doing the changing of the agreed upon rules and claiming those votes as his own, then it would be you screaming about how hypocritical HIS position was. As such, how can you not see how transparent (to borrow a phrase) Hillary's motives are in those states?

You also wrote:

"Shows how badly our education system is...when young people make bad mistakes in judgement on something so sacred to our way of life..."

This isn't the first time you've said something like this so I thought that I'd take the time to inform you that being older than most of the people who post on this website does not automatically mean that your views set the bar for sound judgment or correctness. And in response to your comments, I say it's a shame that, as you have aged, you haven't learned how to at least be respectful of opinions that differ from your own.

One person, one vote and every vote counted is core to democracy.

The Republican Florida State Legislature forced Florida Dems to move up their primary. Should Florida Democratic Primary voters be disenfranchised because of Republican meddling?

Any nominee running for the U.S. Presidency should insist that every primary vote count.

Rules that subvert the basic principle of one person, one vote and every vote counted should not stand in the way of over 2 1/2 million Florida and Michigan primary votes being counted.