Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
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This advocates making more holes in the earth to pull out more oil ... When will people learn this is a substance that is finite and regardless of how much we can dig up it will eventually dry up? We need an economic, technological and social change to move to infinite energy sources.
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The General Chairman is former Speaker Newt Gingrich. - this says it all
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probably not...people seem to be pretty shortsighted, especially the ones most likely to sign petitions like this.
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- blackdaylight
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The are probably a 100 pounds overweight and ordering from dominos 10 cheese pizzas as we speak.
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great site, think i will sign up so i can see what i can do
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The powers that be had to find some way to drill the Antarctic - raising gas prices will change people's minds...
Change is hard to come by. -
chanbe is definitly gonna be hard to come by, so far i read somewhere that america has driven 11 billion less miles, but maybe some people can afford to drive because they have other bills to pay.
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Really, what should we expect with global energy demand on the rise? Blaming this administration for the price of gas is ridiculous. Regardless of the actual effect on energy pricing , do you really think it is helpful that the liberal eco-maniacs have made it impossible to drill, transport, or refine domestically?
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@grover120.... RIGHT ON, Man!
nobody [well, one or two of my friends here] will watch or believe or support this, but here's a great video supporting the same thesis... dare y'all to watch just the first two minutes of it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=387046148893071... -
With the swish of a pen, our government could:
Tax any vehicle over 2.2L in displacement
Require all sub-2.2L engines to achieve 35MPG within 4 years
Demand that 1/2 of all engines sold be diesel
Demolish the grease/oil/fats recycling outfits (cosmetics feedstock collections) and use those waste streams as a cheap diesel alternative (for the new diesel passenger cars and existing needs like trucking and construction)
Mandate that B50 be the standard diesel blend sold
If 10% of US cars were Diesel engines, we would already reduce consumption of oil by 25% due to their efficient nature. Look at England, Canada and Germany for examples of nosiy tractor motors actually working to move people to and from work.
I love my diesel VW, but I wish I could get a domestic car (like a Focus) with a diesel engine. Do not even cite R&D, they sell the Ka with a diesel in England... the engine meets our emission requirements... what stops them? Demand and knowledge on the part of the consumer.
Of course a Diesel-Electric hybrid would also be a nice option (that is a makes-sense hybrid). -
I dont know if I'd want to drive or would feel safe in a Focus sized vehicle, especially if it were under powered as most of the small diesels and hybrids I have been in seem to be. They seem fine if you live in a flat region but expecting any hill climbing or traffic performance out of them is a stretch.
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@grover120... drive one first. i drove a 1982 Diesel Isuzu I-Mark for about 90k miles. all 60 horsepower of it.
it carried me, a roof-top carrier and full camping gear for a three-week trip, up the sierras and over from Silicon Valley, down the far side into NV, up to idaho and over to the grand teton, down throu UT to Bryce, Zion and Grand Canyon, and back to southern CA and up the coast to home.
only problem: plugged fuel filter would make it buck and smoke. great for discouraging tailgaters, by the way...
my '04 prius has driven some of the same routes without any bother and towed about 7-900 pounds of trailer 15,000 miles across the USA three times so far, with NO problems at all [although the normal 44 mpg did drop to about 33 with the trailer...:))))))].
one experiment is worth 10,000 expert opinions. -
i cant speak for older diesels but my 1.9L makes more torque (with a software modification) than most American V6 cars do stock...
just a thought. -
OK maybe I'll TRY one since my experience is limited regarding recent models. I had an oldsmobile cutlass supreme brougham back in the first gas crunch (70's?) and although quite comfortable it couldnt get out of its own way. I've been a Bmr-Benz man for the last 10 years and now I'm in an A8L. This is an awesome car.
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grover120: those old GM Diesels were designed for failure from day one. I give them props for trying to make their own engine, vs importing an engine like Ford and Chevy did, but my goodness they messed it up! They used the same design of the gas engine, a tractor fuel pump, no water separator in the fuel system (essential for old diesels back then, as the fuel was widely contaminated with water), head bolts that were too short to be useful, and all of this led up to failure after failure that its 35MPG couldn't make up for.
That and yes it was slow. A Turbo Diesel is amazingly fast, makes nearly instant torque.
The 2.8L 4-yl VM Motori engine in the Jeep Liberty (USA 2005-2006 model only), has about 7000lb towing power, but it is rated at 5000 to compete with the V6. The kicker... the I-4 Gas engine gets about 18 city, the Gas V6 is about 12, we havent seen less than 18MPG since day one, and it hovers around 23MPG city. People say 30 highway with 4x4 enabled is possible in the right conditions, plus the 300ft/lb torque (reads: small V8 power) makes it capable of towing anything.
The clatter sound, to me, is something synonymous with a "real truck," tho some find it slightly annoying -- nothing some dynamat cannot take care of :) -
amen! the Olds diesels turned most of america off to the concept with the shoddy design and implementation.... but it WAS inexpensive for GM to cobble it together... :))))) such are the tradeoffs of the world.
my I-Mark averaged around 33 overall. at the time, in the early 80s, diesel was cheaper than gasoline and i had a six mile each way commute but it was a clogged "expressway" most of the time, plus traffic lights, so lots of idling, which is heaven for a diesel. they burn so little fuel at idle that after a while you can usually put your hand on the exhaust pipe without getting a blister. i did that to a semi-trailer that was being packed with my household goods to move me from NJ to CA in '79... after idling for an hour or so, the exhaust stack was barely above ambient.
nowadays, with low sulphur fuel and turbos and direct injection, both diesels and gas engines are still doing quite well!
oh, and the I-Mark turned the glow plugs on at a low power at idle, and that made the idle lots quieter than other diesels. a peugot owner pulled up next to me once at a fuel station and wondered why his diesel cost twice as much but clattered so much at idle and mine was MUCH quieter.... [better engineering, dude... i didn't say, in reply.] -
when the war ends diesel should drop back down to lower-than-gasoline prices.... at least I hope. Lower or same pricing as gas + the avg 30% more efficient MPG rating = love.
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@kcfoxie... don't bet too much on that.. the new low/no-sulphur regulations on diesel fuel [to meet the latest air pollution regulations], as i understand it, preclude the use of anything other than "sweet crude" as a source. i don't think that will change, and as such, will, forever require the highest-price crude as a source material.
my First Law: "The Whole World is a Tradeoff."
this is but one example. no soot => higher price for diesel.
maybe some new technology or sulphur-removing catalytic converter will, some day in the future, allow "dirty diesel fuel" to be used again, but just think.... only trucks fitted [or retrofitted] to handle that will be able to burn it.
just like the early days of unleaded gasoline....
ya gets what ya pays for, but if you want something, you also pays for what you gets. -
@plusaf: Diesel fuel was more than 50 cents cheaper before 9/11 than gasoline, the moment we really ramped up the war, it shot above gasoline and has stayed there. ULSD or LSD or HSD, the pricing has gone up due to 3MPG war tanks using all the available fuel. The trickle down from this is impacting the transit sector (fedex and gang) along with Europe's growing diesel passenger car market, Farmers, Construction, etc.
If nothing else, to save the economy, diesel fuel alternatives (which need no modification in the existing pipelines to ship and transport, no special pumps) are in their prime to step up and help.
I dont know a biodiesel of any sort with any sulfur, my car has run less than 5,000 miles with any sulfur fuel, it is sitting near 60,000 now (I purchased it new on 02.2007). I use a clean fuel due to my inability to not drive (it is a requirement for my work, and this car is far cleaner than an airliner). -
hey.. I found a website which asks the question:
Do You Support or Oppose Artic Oil exploration?
For 10 bucks I threw a brick at Hillary in support. For another 10, I might just throw one at Chuckie my other senator. www.bricktoss.com. It was very satisfying. -
Yes, thus is a question of supply VS demand, but even as consumers in the US cut back; India and China just fill the hole.
As far as drilling for new oil, fine except keep in mind even if congress gave the OK today, it would be years before the oil came "On Line".
Read what the big 5 oil companies don't want you to Know.
http://urbannewsblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/price-of-gas-...
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