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How we can even consider running a road through these HUMAN’s lives is beyond my ability to comprehend, have we learned nothing? As a species we are failing ourselves. Sadly we will deserve what we get… more sadly WE will never be around to suffer the consequences. We pass that pain on to our children and grandchildren.
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33 responses // People are not wildlife

  • Many people just lack the understanding that it would be detrimental to these tribes if we were to contact them.
    current89
  • Maybe that logic is what prevents aliens from contacting the developed world.....?
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    phillyharper
  • "Developed" my butt. Human ideas about progress are absurdly backwards. Aliens are probably sitting out there watching us shaking their heads and laughing at our stupidity.
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    Kati_kat
  • It is good to ask every day: What is happening? If you look at the general posts on Current.com alone you can see a big shift has happened. We are pointing at something. We know something BiG is just around the corner. Like the animals that leave the area just before a tsunami. we are aware of this shift. We just don't have the skills to do something about it. But the shift will still happen. So, What is happening? What will we do? We may only have one arrow to fire off. Make it a good one.
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    twodee
  • "developed" by our standards. To judge our society by alien standards would be absurd. A nd do you really believe we haven't progressed? Technologically, we have made massive strides. Some of ourpolitics need a little work, but even they are quite advanced. Compare modern society to even 50 years ago, we're doing pretty well. Don't be so cynical. Although if aliens sent some ufo's down, we'd fire arrows at them, too. Either that, or nukes.
    dco
    • dco
    • 3 months ago
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive
    Hate if you must, but the concept of the Prime Directive has always seemed appropriate.

    Lets try not to buzz planes over people until they seek us out.
    JordanRoth
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  • Ya... by the time we humans figure out where our last lost tribes are to be found land bound Ice will melt and find its lowest point, which is not where it is now. Initially the earth will warm significantly, storms will get worse, the equator will shift significantly, as will the poles, low lying land masses will be inundated. Then with all the pressures being put upon the Earth's crust earth quakes will increase in intensity and frequency, and volcanoes the same. Yellow Stone may decide to awaken given that it is about 40,000 years beyond it's wake-up call. Then we'll experience a new "Ice Age" as "Volcanic Winter" sets in. Does anyone seriously believe that it cannot happen by the year 2012? Are we that arrogant?

    One thing is for certain, the world as we know it will cease to exist, and we will have played a part in it's demise. Our world is changing whether we like it or not. How we respond now to this knowledge may determine whether we or anyone else of the Human persuasion survives the changes.
    WhiteCrow22
  • This is a perfect example of what is taking place in our own technologically advanced societies.

    @dco

    Nothing personal... But where do I begin with your comment. You refer to cynicism, where as I could refer you to naivety. These people (tribes) are the proverbial "canary in the coal mine".

    Though I could agree that technologically we have made "massive strides". With those strides comes responsibility. And I fail to see how politically or otherwise we are managing to advance our world population relative to the technologies we possess. Synthesized medicines, biological warfare, genetic manipulation, media mind manipulation, fossil fuels, I could go on.

    As for alien standards, I don't even know what those standards are. If you or anyone else does, I'd love to hear them. I can however see the parallels in the interpretation since we appear alien to these tribes. And rightfully so, assuming that aliens are coming to destroy and dismiss a culture. Which is a possibility I guess.

    Since they are being mostly threatened by loggers at this time, how is it that Hemp can produce more paper, fuel, and even food per hectare than one can get from the same area in the rain forest, and yet we not only ignore that, we OUTLAW the growth of the plant! How is that for technologically or politically advanced?

    This is about corporate infrastructure, profiteering, and just plain greed. Man, someone please kick me off of my soap box before I loose it. I am sorry to carry on like this, but that comment seemed almost Orwellian given this subject matter.
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    YourMothersMilk
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  • No, YourMothersMilk, do go on. Oh, and the Hemp is annually renewable, while the forest is a one shot deal.

    Wouldn't it be nice if those 28 illegal sawmills were processing hemp? Pipe dream? Where is the wood from the illegal sawmills going? To put on our floors in the USA and Europe, perhaps? As long as it is socially acceptable to use rainforest hardwoods for building and furniture, the people of the rainforest may be doomed. ;-(
    covelogibbs
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  • I'd say that we should make our new furniture out of recycled plastics or metals, and our floors out of simpler materials such as tile stones... but that's just me. Personally, I think that nice granite tile looks better than a hardwood floor anyways.
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    Varex_Sythe
  • My God, can't we please leave them alone until we become civilized enough to contact them?
    Marilynn_Murray
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  • It is refreshing to have a new voice to take up where many of us have backed off. Thanks for your rant YourMotherMilk and i welcome your insightful rants.

    Next they will be arresting "god" for putting hemp on this planet without paying the required patent fee.

    Oh, and does the sun have a UL listing? Maybe that is why we drag our feet with solar energy. Because the the folks over at UL listing (a private company currently charging around $50,000 to just consider your solar panel design for official UL tag) can't get close enough to the sun to put a sticker on it.
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    twodee
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  • Agreed JordanRoth, Prime Directive is a good position.

    The loudest voices have shouted about the rain forest but sadly we all know that the issue has not been fixed with adequate solutions. Added new problems always seem to trip over the old problems adding to the pile of problems until eventually its so big that... who knows?
    krystahardin
  • Varex_Sythe, I'm with you except for the plastics. Plastic is toxic, the softer the more toxic. I have ceramic tile floors and I love them. Carpet almost killed me.
    Marilynn_Murray
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  • dco... with respect your comment "Some of our politics need a little work" is imho, perhaps the largest understatement I've heard in years.

    Our politics is what is driving us to the brink of disaster. In the USA right now, you've watched government appointed regulators not regulate which may lead to the single biggest economic crash in history... which has lead to the government hire private companies to run a war (or at least aspects of said war) and you're currently watching the Democratic party debating whether or not they should allow Senator Clinton to use the same tactics that kept the Dems out of the white house a war ago.

    Politics has tripled the price of oil in less than a decade.
    Politics has forced the world to judge America based on an illegal war.
    Politics has allowed people to be unjustly monitored.
    Politics has lead to unscrupulous mortgage companies creating impossible situations for home-owners.
    Politics has allowed businesses to turn their backs on the environment and literally choke the life out of river systems that support life (including human life).
    Politics has allowed water... WATER to be listed as something that can be bought and sold, which by the nature of business will create shortages.
    Politics has done more damage in our lifetimes than it has come close to doing good.

    Each and every step forward has come not because of politics, but in spite of politics.

    Each step forward in human rights has come at the cost of human life railing against the law of the day.

    This is just one more example of our incredible arrogance and our sense of self-entitlement. We are the cause of so much death and destruction that when we see something like this, our desensitized views allow us to feel that we the right to be there simply because we can. We have the unmitigated gall to debate whether or not it is acceptable.

    I am less and less accepting of our massive strides, since they more and more come at the cost of human life. Our ends justifies the means mentality is no longer acceptable.

    I’m done… for now.
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    kDrew_Productions
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  • That's what i'm talkin bout Cosmo_Plavix... though there are many things that can be done to mitigate and/or prepare for the changes to come. Without conscious compassionate dialog, and persistent creative action, change will remain "beyond our control." Fear will take control, if we let it! It can happen so easily. I believe change is in our hands and arms, in our backs, in our legs, in our tongues... it is our minds that fool us into believing otherwise.

    Trust your intuitions, act according to your heart, and your mind will support you in changing your world for the best.
    WhiteCrow22
  • It is very hard for me to express my feelings in regards to this. It requires greater responsibility to understand that we must preserve and protect these tribes from being attacked by the so called "civilized man." My hopes are that Brazilians Authorities are on the job to protect them from invasion and massacre. Deforestation of the Amazon is one of the biggest causes of Clime change in the World.
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    stopnoise
  • Why denograte our achievements? I know we aren't doing too swell, what with the energy crises, geo-political strife, and religious ignorance worldwide, but why not be somewhat optimistic? Sure, I understand that our government lies to us, starts unconstitutional wars to install a constitution in other countries, operates clandestinely and without any democratic integrity, and is generally hypocritical, but currently, it suits my needs to look at us on a grander scale than this. If you sincerely think we haven't made progress, than let me ask you this: would you rather live in the 1950's, when the racial tension from segregation was still palpable, and gender roles were reinforced with titanium? How about the Industrial era, when caste systems world wide were barely starting to be disputed? You can go back to the "Enlightenment," when philosophical and scientific minds were persecuted to the fullest extent of whatever the Church wanted to do? Look back with hindsight, and consider the improvements we have made. Even if it is two steps forward, 1.999 back, it is still progress. This is all I was attempting to say; don't judge us by utopian ideals of the future, but by realistic interpretations of the present, with relation to the past. I do not believe I am being naive. I am very seldom an advocate of optimism (generally I opt for cynicism), but we're not medieval! I also disagree with the implication that natives hundreds of years ago were as advanced as we are today. Glorification of subjugated (or masssacred) demographics is quite common. Just because the Natives were victims does not mean they were paragons of politicall and social advancements. Tribal communities are always prone to war, ritual, and cruelty. This goes tenfold for nationalistic communities, but regardless. Does anyone honestly think there were modern levels of equality in the ancient world? Maybe a few isolated examples, but don't ignore that groups who performed sacrifice and ostracized invalids. I do not intend to be bigoted, but realistic, and contrarian to the idealism present on this thread. My sincere apology if I come off as offensive.
    dco
    • dco
    • 3 months ago
  • Dco, with all my respects for your historical layout, I personally think we should not compare that time in the past with our present or future. No I do not wish to have being born or to live in other times in history! There is a reason why I am here right now and there is a reason you are here at this present time also. I am not taking for granted America's Past achievements, however I think we developed ourselves so far ahead in technology but many of us still not have a clear understand how to stop slavering and oppression from humans towards other humans in the World. That's mediocre! Humans have developed 3 major Political Systems.
    1. Capitalism
    2. Socialism and
    3. Communism
    ...and humans have not understood how to apply these three systems at the right time for different types of situations to resolve our social problems of hunger, lack of education, lack of health care, housing, decent jobs and so forth. For what I see right now the only system humans are using is one that is oppressive and cycle around chaos. Therefore, let us not forget the past but not be slave of the past and head ourselves to that light that is calling us out of this deadly mediocre system of the past.
    stopnoise
  • Right, I share your view completely in that these peoples homes should NOT be demolished-it's appalling that they can consider doing the to peoples homes, to their lives. How would we feel if complete strangers decided to come and change our lives for their benefit? What gives us any more right to live our lives the way we want to than them? If that is their home, it is unthinkable that it should be demolished, especially as it would be affecting for the worst an area of natural beauty.
    However-and I'm sorry to seem picky-I object to your title. Even if it was just wildlife then I would still feel it awful to do that. All animals-including humans-are equal-there is nothing that makes us better than other humans, or any other animals, and it annoys me when people fail to realise that. I'm sure you didn't mean anything big by the title-stuff like that just tends to annoy me, as I think that wildlife should have their right to not having their homes and their lives destroyed and endangered either!
    Sorry if I seem dumb or anything in this response-I feel very unclever compared to the other people in this discussion..-but I'm only 13, so please understand my dumbness!
    Chloe.
    meat_is_murder_x
  • meat...

    No offence taken with regards to the title, and point well taken. Part of our arrogance is that we put ourselves so far ahead of other living things that we feel we have the right to take action without thought of consequence.

    I was simply trying to say that we are, in this instance treating people as we have other forms of wildlife... and your point is well taken... our track record in the area of treatment to wildlife, if atrocious.

    and just a note... never apologise for standing up and saying what you believe... that’s your role in the world... more should do the same.

    I teach a girl in grade 6 who shares your views exactly. I will pass on your comments.

    Keep it up.
    kDrew_Productions
  • Human rights should always be of greatest importance to us. Respecting peoples & cultures we dont even understand should be so very obvious.

    If capitalism & the individualists & innovators are so great let them create... with at least a limit not to destroy others in the process. Didnt the Nazis create terrible medical & scientific advancements on the backs of the jews because they considered them below the germans & arians? Are we being nazis in thinking our civilization is worth preserving but theirs... isnt?

    What is always our excuse? we need to make a few bucks?? that is not a good enough excuse. Politics & as a result government... should be doing its darndest to protect not just citizens... but humans. If they are not we need to change it & change them. Until they are changed we should never rest. Otherwise, we are next.
    LibertyNo5

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