More talk than listening on climate bill in Senate
- added June 5, 2008
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- JanforGore
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Even for the Senate, where members are well-known to prefer talking to listening, the amount of unilateral jabbering on the climate bill has been remarkable, with lawmakers both for and against it arguing repeatedly over how much time was allotted for them to speak.
It was also hard to keep track of who was on which side. The bill’s main sponsors are Senators Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, and Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California.
Typically, the floor debate is divided evenly between the two parties, but there has been constant confusion about whose time was being used.
At one point Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, was struggling to get his turn. “It’s my understanding that I have 15 minutes at 12:15 which I have been waiting for all morning,” he said.
A short argument followed — involving Mr. Specter, Senator Pete V. Domenici, Republican of New Mexico, Mrs. Boxer and Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee — over who should speak and for how long. As they bickered, Senator Jon Tester, Democrat of Montana, who was serving as the president pro tempore, made an announcement: “The time of the senator from Tennessee, three and a half minutes, has expired.”
Mr. Domenici was perplexed. “How did his time expire?” he asked.
“Through this conversation,” Mr. Tester explained.
To help give everybody time on center-stage, the senators on Tuesday proposed delaying the weekly party lunches by 10 minutes. The majority leader, Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, said that was all right, but he also urged senators to be back in time for their official portrait.
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Why am I not surprised? Why would I ever expect to see a reasoned intelligent debate on this from a Congress that acts like nothing but a bunch of vindictive prima donnas? This is why we will never get effective legislation from Washington Dc on climate change. Too many only wanting their 15 minutes of fame in front of the camera, and too many making this a politically partisan issue when it is not.
And my God, what ignorance comes out of Senator Inhofe's mouth. He is an embarrassment to the state of Oklahoma. I really tried to be positive that this could be debated in Congress with that higher consciousness, but it is not possible when consciousness in and of itself is not present. This is why we have to press and demand what this bill must look like in order to be acceptable and effective... but alas, I fear no matter what we say they will continue to do what they want, which is why those working outside the confines of the beltway have made more progress regarding this crisis. This just proves the point.
However, that doesn't mean we stop pushing for what is right. I still say on the whole that states, businesses, and individuals will do more to address this crisis effectively than any Congress in this political system, but we cannot relent in making these representatives see how they will be accomplices to the catastrophe unfolding unless they look beyond poltiics to see the big picture. Damn them for their total lack of moral courage and for making a mockery out of the most crucial crisis this planet now faces on a global scale.
I have a one sentence message to Congress:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
It was also hard to keep track of who was on which side. The bill’s main sponsors are Senators Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, and Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California.
Typically, the floor debate is divided evenly between the two parties, but there has been constant confusion about whose time was being used.
At one point Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, was struggling to get his turn. “It’s my understanding that I have 15 minutes at 12:15 which I have been waiting for all morning,” he said.
A short argument followed — involving Mr. Specter, Senator Pete V. Domenici, Republican of New Mexico, Mrs. Boxer and Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee — over who should speak and for how long. As they bickered, Senator Jon Tester, Democrat of Montana, who was serving as the president pro tempore, made an announcement: “The time of the senator from Tennessee, three and a half minutes, has expired.”
Mr. Domenici was perplexed. “How did his time expire?” he asked.
“Through this conversation,” Mr. Tester explained.
To help give everybody time on center-stage, the senators on Tuesday proposed delaying the weekly party lunches by 10 minutes. The majority leader, Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, said that was all right, but he also urged senators to be back in time for their official portrait.
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Why am I not surprised? Why would I ever expect to see a reasoned intelligent debate on this from a Congress that acts like nothing but a bunch of vindictive prima donnas? This is why we will never get effective legislation from Washington Dc on climate change. Too many only wanting their 15 minutes of fame in front of the camera, and too many making this a politically partisan issue when it is not.
And my God, what ignorance comes out of Senator Inhofe's mouth. He is an embarrassment to the state of Oklahoma. I really tried to be positive that this could be debated in Congress with that higher consciousness, but it is not possible when consciousness in and of itself is not present. This is why we have to press and demand what this bill must look like in order to be acceptable and effective... but alas, I fear no matter what we say they will continue to do what they want, which is why those working outside the confines of the beltway have made more progress regarding this crisis. This just proves the point.
However, that doesn't mean we stop pushing for what is right. I still say on the whole that states, businesses, and individuals will do more to address this crisis effectively than any Congress in this political system, but we cannot relent in making these representatives see how they will be accomplices to the catastrophe unfolding unless they look beyond poltiics to see the big picture. Damn them for their total lack of moral courage and for making a mockery out of the most crucial crisis this planet now faces on a global scale.
I have a one sentence message to Congress:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
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- JanforGore
- 3 months ago
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- JanforGore
- 3 months ago
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Sums it up... Fuckin CORPORATE CLOWNS.
Our system is so bought and paid for.
Disgusting!!!!!!!
Thanks so much for the great post. -
You're welcome. And as we learned today, the bill will more than likely be scrapped as they didn't get the 60 votes needed. Twelve votes shy with 16 Senators including our illustrious presidential candidates who claim to care about climate change not voting at all. Shameful. After waiting thirty years to see this we get nothing.
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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In the mean time people is out there pitching for lame news. Hughh!
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Per Mr. Inhofe: "... fears of catastrophic climate change are hugely overblown..."
Tell that to your kids, and your kids' kids.
Many thanks, stopnoise, for this post. This issue must be brought to light, and those in Congress who choose to ignore it must be voted out of office. And their constituents must be made aware of their stance, and choose to vote them out.
Kudos ~ A-
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- Amber_LaStrega
- 2 months ago
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It's going to take millions of small towns and small groups to come together on this one. BIG MEDIA and BIG POLITICS ain't gonna do the job.
Ground up is the way this is going to change.
Great post.-
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- kDrew_Productions
- 2 months ago
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Further:
*** BREAKING NEWS *** BREAKING NEWS *** BREAKING NEWS ***
Dear Amberlynne,
History was made today. Thank you for your support.
Moments ago, after a week of contentious floor debate, a vote to stop the filibuster of the Climate Security Act fell short of the required 60 votes and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was forced to take the bill off the floor.
While a set back in our efforts to pass global warming legislation this year, the broader perspective is very positive.
With the 48 yes votes on the floor plus another six written statements of support from Senators who were not present, the total number of supporters was 54. Only 36 Senators voted to keep the filibuster going.
The progress is undeniable.
In a press statement, Environmental Defense Fund President Fred Krupp had this response
The din of Washington politics can't drown out the drumbeat of progress. Old adversaries came aboard and new supporters stood up for action. In the end, we got a stronger vote on a stronger bill than we had three years ago.
Even many opponents of the bill said this week that America needs to cap carbon pollution. The excuses for inaction are running out. With presidential leadership, which was absent in this debate, we're confident that 2009 will be the year Congress finally gets off the sidelines and begins to fight climate change and our country's oil addiction.
In the days and weeks ahead, our legislative team will assess what our next steps in the Senate will be.
In the meantime, we will continue working with House leaders to develop a legislative vehicle for climate action in that body. And we will continue to build out coalition to keep the focus on the need to act.
While this is a set back in our efforts to pass legislation this year, today's vote is an historic turning point in the debate over national climate policy.
We owe all our online supporters and activists a huge thanks for all that you've helped us accomplish this year.
You've sent hundreds of thousands of emails, made thousands of calls, and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to support our campaign.
This is an epic fight, and you are a huge part of it.
Today's vote is an indication that we still have a lot of work ahead. But it is now also clear that we will eventually pass a national cap on global warming pollution and unleash a clean energy future.
Thank you for all you do,
Environmental Defense Action Fund
Let's all get behind this. For my daughter, for your kids, for our fellow Earth walkers and future Earth walkers.-
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- Amber_LaStrega
- 2 months ago
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That is great Amber! Thanks!
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molto interessante.
Grazie St.n. -
Sono lieto di incontrarmi con voi F7
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- Amber_LaStrega
- 2 months ago
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Actually, I placed the post here, but thanks stopnoise too for always participating and backing up important issues.
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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..piacere mio!!!
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Jan, I too was (am) for Gore. Back in the day my sister and myself called him 'Al Gorgeous' ... dude had fab abs.
Barack the vote w00t!-
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- Amber_LaStrega
- 2 months ago
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Only if he (obama) stops lobbying for the coal industry. The fact that he also didn't vote on this bill which in part caused it to be scrapped doesn't sit too well with me either. If you are a leader you lead.... not just count on your charisma to get you there. And yes, Mr. Gore is a handsome man, but he also has a great heart and a good soul...what really matters.
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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good thing Obama and Gore talk to each other. I'm sure Obama will learn a lot from Gore's council.
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- stephenthomson
- 2 months ago
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Agreed, Jan ... on the not voting thing. How great would an Obama/Gore ticket be?
Hell, Gore/Obama would be even better!
Too bad Rove stole the vote from him. Bleh. We'd be in a waaaaay better place today if that hadn't happened.-
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- Amber_LaStrega
- 2 months ago
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No, Mr.Gore is too far above this political crap. And If Obama wanted to learn anything he would have been listening to Mr. Gore all of this time and would have shown up to vote on the bill he stated should be passed... Not just throwing his name around to catapult his standing. And Mr. Gore talks to many people. The question is, do they listen to what he says?
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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Thanks Jan! This was more information that I wanted about why the bill didn't pass. I'm hoping Obama will elect to participate in further votes. This country needs to wake up!
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Regarding B. Obama's lack of voting of late...
I think Obama has a lot on his plate right now... maybe not showing up for this vote is important, but he is running for his political life, cut the guy some slack.-
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- kDrew_Productions
- 2 months ago
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I agree, Obama does deserve some credit for supporting this bill...
Unfortunately, it appears, the overall response to this critical situation will continue to be too little too late, until the combined effects of the multiple abuses from the large corporations and the like down to the individual will have caused the result to rain down on our heads, literally. So, though progress has been made and, eventually, we will prevail in our efforts to reduce the problem, prepare yourselves for the reaction of the earth to these abuses...in the form of more and more and worse and worse storms and natural catastrophe... only then will our elected representatives realize it's not about them...
Thanks, Jan, for this responsible post...-
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- PlatoTacius
- 2 months ago
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Here is the email I got from 1Sky.org -
By now you may have heard that the long-awaited Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act went down in defeat this morning in the U.S. Senate. 1Sky did not support the bill because it would not have met the minimum scientific standards to combat global warming.
Now for some good news: A new bill introduced on Wednesday by Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA) looks like a more promising alternative. Rep. Markey's Investing in Climate Action Policy Act, a.k.a. the iCAP bill, is a welcome improvement over Lieberman-Warner. The bill would cut carbon emissions 85% below 1990 levels by 2050, auction 100% of pollution permits by 2020, and invest in green workforce training, among other things.
But as we just witnessed, no bill will have a chance of becoming law unless we continue to demand bold action from our leaders in Washington, D.C.
Jan, this new iCAP bill sounds very promising and I for one will continue to take every opportunity to apply pressure on Congress to get it done! Vote out the Republicans who keep obstructing progress on Climate Change!
Best to you.
Phil -
It is good to see action coming from Congress in the form of bills but why does it always have to be 2050? That is too late. But I will look into it more and continue to follow it and write to Rep Markey regarding the 2050. I also want to know if there are any subsidies for coal and nuclear in it, which I don't believe there would be based on other speeches Rep Markey has given on this topic.Thanks very much for the information and let's keep holding their feet to the fire on this, including Obama and McCain... because where this planet is concerned we shouldn't cut anyone any slack any longer.
And PlatoTacius, you're welcome.-
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- JanforGore
- 2 months ago
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I was thinking the same thing about that projected date. Could it be that, just in case nothing gets done, the proponents for such policy will have ceased to exist and, therefore, won't feel the blame..? Naaaawwww...
We need legislators with guts...-
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- PlatoTacius
- 2 months ago
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