Packing in public: gun owners want firearms to be common accessory like iPods
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Hey this might actually be a good idea. Cops might have a harder time with their tyrannical policing over Americans if more of us let them know we're not ready to lose the 2nd amendment like the rest of the Constitution.
"For years, Kevin Jensen carried a pistol everywhere he went, tucked in a shoulder holster beneath his clothes. In hot weather the holster was almost unbearable. Pressed against Jensen's skin, the firearm was heavy and uncomfortable. Hiding the weapon made him feel like a criminal.
Then one evening he stumbled across a site that urged gun owners to do something revolutionary: Carry your gun openly for the world to see as you go about your business. In most states there's no law against that.
Jensen thought about it and decided to give it a try. A couple of days later, his gun was visible, hanging from a black holster strapped around his hip as he walked into a Costco. His heart raced as he ordered a Polish dog at the counter. No one called the police. No one stopped him.
Now Jensen carries his Glock 23 openly into his bank, restaurants and shopping centers. He wore the gun to a Ron Paul rally. He and his wife, Clachelle, drop off their 5-year-old daughter at elementary school with pistols hanging from their hip holsters, and have never received a complaint or a wary look.
Jensen said he tries not to flaunt his gun. "We don't want to show up and say, 'Hey, we're here, we're armed, get used to it,' " he said. But he and others who publicly display their guns have a common purpose.
The Jensens are part of a fledgling movement to make a firearm as common an accessory as an iPod. Called "open carry" by its supporters, the movement has attracted grandparents, graduate students and lifelong gun enthusiasts like the Jensens.
"What we're trying to say is, 'Hey, we're normal people who carry guns,' " said Travis Deveraux, 36, of West Valley, a Salt Lake City suburb. Deveraux works for a credit card company and sometimes walks around town wearing a cowboy hat and packing a pistol in plain sight. "We want the public to understand it's not just cops who can carry guns."
Police acknowledge the practice is legal, but some say it makes their lives tougher. Police Chief John Greiner recalled that last year in Ogden, Utah, a man was openly carrying a shotgun on the street. When officers pulled up to ask him about the gun, he started firing. Police killed the man.
Greiner tells the story as a lesson for gun owners. "We've changed over the last 200 years from the days of the wild, wild West," Greiner said. "Most people don't openly carry. . . . If [people] truly want to open carry, they ought to expect they'll be challenged more until people become comfortable with it."
Jensen and others argue that police shouldn't judge the gun, but rather the actions of the person carrying it. Jensen, 28, isn't opposed to attention, however. It's part of the reason he brought his gun out in the open.
"At first, [open carry] was a little novelty," he said. "Then I realized the chances of me educating someone are bigger than ever using it [the gun] in self-defense. If it's in my pants or under my shirt I'm probably not going to do anything with it."
"For years, Kevin Jensen carried a pistol everywhere he went, tucked in a shoulder holster beneath his clothes. In hot weather the holster was almost unbearable. Pressed against Jensen's skin, the firearm was heavy and uncomfortable. Hiding the weapon made him feel like a criminal.
Then one evening he stumbled across a site that urged gun owners to do something revolutionary: Carry your gun openly for the world to see as you go about your business. In most states there's no law against that.
Jensen thought about it and decided to give it a try. A couple of days later, his gun was visible, hanging from a black holster strapped around his hip as he walked into a Costco. His heart raced as he ordered a Polish dog at the counter. No one called the police. No one stopped him.
Now Jensen carries his Glock 23 openly into his bank, restaurants and shopping centers. He wore the gun to a Ron Paul rally. He and his wife, Clachelle, drop off their 5-year-old daughter at elementary school with pistols hanging from their hip holsters, and have never received a complaint or a wary look.
Jensen said he tries not to flaunt his gun. "We don't want to show up and say, 'Hey, we're here, we're armed, get used to it,' " he said. But he and others who publicly display their guns have a common purpose.
The Jensens are part of a fledgling movement to make a firearm as common an accessory as an iPod. Called "open carry" by its supporters, the movement has attracted grandparents, graduate students and lifelong gun enthusiasts like the Jensens.
"What we're trying to say is, 'Hey, we're normal people who carry guns,' " said Travis Deveraux, 36, of West Valley, a Salt Lake City suburb. Deveraux works for a credit card company and sometimes walks around town wearing a cowboy hat and packing a pistol in plain sight. "We want the public to understand it's not just cops who can carry guns."
Police acknowledge the practice is legal, but some say it makes their lives tougher. Police Chief John Greiner recalled that last year in Ogden, Utah, a man was openly carrying a shotgun on the street. When officers pulled up to ask him about the gun, he started firing. Police killed the man.
Greiner tells the story as a lesson for gun owners. "We've changed over the last 200 years from the days of the wild, wild West," Greiner said. "Most people don't openly carry. . . . If [people] truly want to open carry, they ought to expect they'll be challenged more until people become comfortable with it."
Jensen and others argue that police shouldn't judge the gun, but rather the actions of the person carrying it. Jensen, 28, isn't opposed to attention, however. It's part of the reason he brought his gun out in the open.
"At first, [open carry] was a little novelty," he said. "Then I realized the chances of me educating someone are bigger than ever using it [the gun] in self-defense. If it's in my pants or under my shirt I'm probably not going to do anything with it."
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I guess they are all trying to compensate for something
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- rajajajamjar
- 2 months ago
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I can't help but feel this is a bit wika wika wild wild west...
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- phillyharper
- 2 months ago
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It is proven that gun-packing states like Arizona have less personal crime, no car jackings and way less assault.
The right to bare arms is for a reason.
Who would protect us from a tyrannical government, Our Police? I think not. They are to busy harassing the youth, dark skinned people and hanging out by the bar pulling over everyone who leaves.
The police cars in my town used to be labeled, "To protect and serve" but not any longer now, they say, "To uphold the law". That is very concerning to. Me.
When they are more worried about skate boarders than unjust laws, there is something wrong. -
They do put up some good points why they should be able to carry guns, but I would not want to be in a situation with a whole bunch of pride-filled guys around, not knowing if they are drunk or high or not, and risking that a big number of them could be carrying a concealed handgun. I won't pick sides on the decision, but I do think that the invention of guns messed up everything and now we really can't get out of the mess.
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- cerealforeal
- 2 months ago
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Like an ipod? Yes, folks, now carry the power of death with you all, never mind about listening to songswhen you're bored, why not killl your fellow manfor entertainment?
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i agree more people should carry. its those surprises thatll get ya. Ron Paul seems to be the only politician with any sense and morality. Hes too honest thats why hes not getting votes. In the story it talks about the man carrying a shotgun, if the holice hadnt of stopped him maybe they wouldnt have been shot he wouldnt have been killed whichever. Since Ron Paul will ost likely not get elected the next best for gun rights is McCain unfortunately. The NRA hasnt endorsed anyone yet but itll probably be McCain. Al the elections I have ever known is voting for the lesser of the two evils. Sucks. Whoever gets elected remember the Constitution was made for a reason and now its being shadowed by fear of security in these times. The best quote I've heard for a while came out the gun digest it states "instant responders are always better than first responders, because instant responders can prevent the kind of tragedy that first responders can only clean up." Very true. A good example is the old man getting hit by the hit and run drivers so many made a big deal about on current. The people that were there couldnt do alot but they saw everything and could help if need be. The holice show up too late except to pick up the body, rope off the area, and get statements. Yay for 2nd Amendment!
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But, don't you thnk if more people carry, we're all more likely to kill each other? Feeling threatened, police can't raise suspicians of those who are murderers and so can't hold anything against them until it's too late for a inoccent life? Or, you could easily attackanother, you're fault, and the victim could be framed and they think you only did it in self defence? Let's face it, if theseguns continue on as even more of a normal thing, we'll keep acting as they are, and hen we're going to turn daft with the pleasure of waving guns at each other.
This 'self defence' of gun carrying is certaintlyno common sense.If all of us have no guns, we know any attckers don't need to get shoot as they won't have one, they'll have to then use weaker ways of harm instead, so could we, otherwise the weapon gets into the wrong hands. -
A lot of nonsense here about open carry folk trying to compensate for something, worrying about what they will do if they are high or drunk or if the "pride" is shown. This is a moronic attempt at projection.
I know a LOT of people who carry. None of these things apply to them. Every time the question of open carry comes up the gun nuts (those phobic about guns) wail and knash their teeth in anticipation of the carnage that never seems to follow. Gun owners and those who carry are some of the most responsible, polite people I have ever met.
Face it. Open carry and concealed carry deters crime. Our right to be armed against predators is not granted, it is inherent. The difference between liberals who wish to remove this part of the Bill of Rights from the people and those who carry is the latter don't try to control the lives of the former -
Well said Paratus. You have to have formal training and be properly educated, with a clean background to carry. People with criminal intent would be LESS likely to carry.
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Just how dumb can people be! guns are good for one thing, murdering people and thats a bad thing. dont carry and dont kill.
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why own a firearm and not be able to carry it?
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Paratus said it best so far.
I have to agree, if more RESPONSIBLE citezens carried guns openly crime would go down, criminals would be afraid to rob you if there was a good chance you could defend yourself properly. The criminals are not going to stop carrying weapons, so why should educated law abiding citezens not carry guns?
The way i see it when people want to outlaw guns they are saying, responsible people you should not be able to protect yourself. Irresponsible law breaker continue on your path of crime because you are going to break the law anyway, and don't worry the person who obey's the law cannot hurt you. -
Unfortunately, it's near-impossible to deem someone 'responsible'. People are unpredictable.
And it's really impossible to regulate.
I have a right to safety in this country, and i don't really want some psychopath ending my life because he wanted to carry a gun.
I guess this guy can do whatever he wants, but I don't want to be affected.
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- DJSoundBored
- 2 months ago
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The 2nd amendment is badly worded and even more shamelessly misinterpreted. Civilians should not own guns, 'nuff said.
I feel very safe at the moment living in China, Japan, Malaysia, and the EU. Why? Because there are no cowboy wannabes packin' heat.-
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- aquamammal
- 2 months ago
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I planned on spending my stimulus check to obtain my concealed weapons permit but after reading this article I might just spend the money on something else. I can’t believe I never thought about this. The only thing better than carrying a concealed weapon is carrying an exposed weapon. In fact you don’t even need a permit to carry an exposed firearm in Florida.
If you trust in the police or your own two fists to protect you that’s fine, good for you. I’ll tell you this though. Everyone runs the risk of having their life threatened. When this happens you might not be in a position to call for help or run away. People lose their life everyday because they do not have the means to protect themselves.
I personally learned that you can’t knock out a crack head with a knife. It didn’t matter that I was 6’3 220 pounds and he was 5’5 150 pounds soaking wet. I woke up in my own bed, tried to defend myself and got my butt whooped all around my apartment. I got stab wounds on every extremity of my body, head and neck included.
So for someone to have the audacity to say I have no “common sense” for owning or carrying a firearm is absolutely ridiculous. I know what I’m talking about because I lived it. The only reason why you don’t understand is because
A. You’ve never been in that situation
Or
B Most people who get stabbed as many times as I did don’t live to tell the truth.
So if you don’t like guns that’s fine. You can argue the effectiveness of carrying a firearm as a means of protection till your face turns blue. You can’t however, despite all your wisdom and common sense, offer an effective substitute. That’s the problem with telling people you shouldn’t own a firearm. You expect everyone should just lay down and die because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time or whatever.
And that’s exactly what you are asking of people because 99.9 % of the time a person dies when they’re put in the situation I faced. -
in this day and age (when we do not need guns for hunting our dinner) guns can only serve as means for inflicting hurt on someone (self-defense still counts as hurting someone) or as a means for intimidating others (e.g., cops). maasanova frames the article as if it will prevent cops from abusing their position, however, two wrongs don't make a right. instead of police intimidating people with guns and battons on their sides, the average joe sitting next to me in the movies can now intimidate me with his glock poking into the armrest.
also, there was a recent incident in my town where a simple argument in a club turned deadly when one guy went outside and got his gun from his car. why did this happen? because his gun was easily accessible! i'm not saying this is the mentality of the general gun owner. just wanted to point out why i disagree with this article.-
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- April_5210
- 2 months ago
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Why is this sensible?
In a civilized world, why should we feel that we must all carry weapons?
I submit that many are becoming slaves to the gun..
Is a Gun to be worshipped like it was God?
Ok, so let's live in a world that everyone has the right to carry a gun in public sans being a member of the police force or government (FBI,CIA) official..
First of all, I think we are going back to the Wild West!
Second, who then is to say who shouldn't have a gun?
Teenagers can be very emotional as we all can at one time or another in our lives.
What is to prevent someone from NOT firing a gun?
And what about folks who are seriously mentally ill?
They won't find a gun? They won't carry one?
This sounds like a tragedy just waiting to happen.
P.S. I'm not judging the gun here..but I am judging the sanity of one who wears it!. Who says this guy isn't ripe for the funny farm?-
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- PatrickEdwardMurray
- 2 months ago
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alright,
PatrickEdwardMurray --
just to focus on one point... you say, "What is to prevent someone from NOT firing a gun?"
think, what's stop someone from killing someone out of rage? what's to stop someone from robbing another person? what's to stop someone from violating your rights, your home, and your property or that of those around you?
the answer is guns man, guns.
if you trust and take pride in country -- or at the very least its potential for greatness -- you must honor what it stands for, and that involves this EXACT sort of freedom.
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- innocent_criminal
- 2 months ago
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Yes! You know it's election time when you've got guns n' gays! I'm loving this debate! Excellent points from both sides! This is what America is all about!
So what's the difference of someone shooting you with a gun that's concealed vs someone shooting you with a gun that's carried out in the open? Not much eh? If someone is going to shoot you, they are going to shoot you, concealed or not. -
I'd support that. If everyone knows everyone else is packing, people are going to be less likely to try sh*t. Nobody in their right mind wants to look down the barrel of a gun, nobody. It's just going to be a matter of who has the scariest looking gun. Think Dirty Harry, or William Gibson's cyberpunk novels.
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- Dmitri_Molotov
- 2 months ago
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"Civilians should not own guns, 'nuff said."
That's exactly what the samurai thought.
What better way to keep the peasants from challenging your authority than by denying them weapons?
Oh, these newfangled guns are easy to learn to use?
Banned.
Yay feudalism.
Lets cut off a peasant's head to test our newly sharpened blade.
True it is not the Wild West anymore, true that guns are instruments of death.
True that, given the choice between a dude that is packing, and a dude that is not, a criminal will go after the unarmed guy. True that this would, more likely than not, cause a decrease in crime, rather than a rise.
True that anyone can just fly off the handle, and, if they have a gun at their hip, it will be that much easier to cap someone for spilling their drink in a bar.
I can't really "choose a side," as their are many reasons to choose either side - actually, never mind, I can.
Denying responsible citizens a constitutional right is one slippery-ass slope.
They should NEVER be banned completely, even if regulations could be much stricter.
It depends on the person; a piece of metal is not going to kill anyone, no matter how fine tuned it is.
We will never be able to predict people, or regulate their thoughts, and we shouldn't try to enforce the laws of a tranquil[ized] utopia when it is EXTREMELY clear, every day, that we are definitely not living in one.
That just screws over the decent people, and makes the job of the ever-present outlaw that much easier. -
Guns are for death. It's funny how many pro life people are pro guns and pro capitol punishment.
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people who are not trained to handle situations where a gun is needed should not be allowed to carry them out in public.
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ive never owned a gun let alone fired one. i think i will purchase one soon, i will need something to fight the gov. when the revolution starts.
i personally think guns are for pussies and hunters but i guess they go hand in hand. -
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
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i'm a progressive liberal, and I dig guns. there is too many clowns in this country.
this country's social/economic/judicial policies are skewed, against the poor and minorities, which causes crime.
if america is a free country, there is NOTHING wrong with carrying a gun in a holster! end of story.
either we all have guns, or we all don't. can't take it away from the criminals, cause they will always get them, so clean citizens deserve to have guns.-
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- Wessagusset_Oracle
- 2 months ago
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HERE IN GEORGIA, OUR GOVENOR SONNY PERDUE JUST PASSED A BILL INTO ORDER, THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO BY ABLE TO CARRY THEIR FIREARMS IN PUBLIC PLACES SUCH AS TRNSIT STATIONS, AND RESTURANTS. IF I AM CORRECT, THIS BILL DOESN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JULY 1.
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I personally feel that the founding fathers had a point. The right to bear arms is inalienable! You can't ask me to trust you, the police, or some ideal to protect my family. Sorry but as an african american I feel my life is less valuable to the american public. (according to most news accounts and homicides perpetrated by law enforcement in my community)
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I'll only support the carrying of firearms when Americans are(in general) educated calm reasonable and wise. Oh wait! if we were all those things we would realize guns aren't necessary.
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You should be able to carry a gun 1.) because it is legal and 2.) because you have the right to defend yourself.
It is understandable that in a perfect world guns would not be necessary but since our society has a fraction of people who are violent criminals a gun could be the difference between life and death. Most of your life you may never need to use a gun, but in that one situatution a gun may come in very handy. The majority of times you don't even need to use it, just the intimidation factor alone may scare away thieves. -
Nope, just as a stupid things legal don't mean it's fine. You know what? To 'defend' yourself from another jerk who carrys a gun as THEY'RE allowed to, get it already you people!
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"Second Amendment_A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"A well regulated Militia" not your average citizen.
The right to bear arms was written because there was no national military and no organized police department. That is why the Founders put that in there, not because they were all a bunch of cowboys who loved firearms.
As far as a person's rights go to have a firearm, I really don't see the point. I suppose if that's how you get your rocks off, then that's your perogitive.
The guy with the shot gun? There's having a gun holstered at your side and then there's carrying a shot gun down the street.
The problem isn't with responsible people owning guns. It's the irresponsible people who aren't thinking about protecting their familly, but protecting their ego with the gun they picked up out of the trunk of someone's car yesterday.-
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- samanthadian
- 2 months ago
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Criminals are not registerd gun owners. They buy there guns Illegaly and do not care about laws.
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What a coincidence.
I was just hanging out at the park, debating this with friends while shooting some joggers for kicks. -
I do not like guns AT ALL and I have never and probably will never own one. I think that they make people feel POWERFUL and if they have one most likely they are just waiting for a chance to legally
