Pentagon told Guantanamo interrogators to destroy evidence!
- added June 9, 2008
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The Pentagon urged interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to destroy handwritten notes in case they were called to testify about potentially harsh treatment of detainees, a military defense lawyer said Sunday.
The lawyer for Toronto-born Omar Khadr, Lt. Cmdr. William Kuebler, said the instructions were included in an operations manual shown to him by prosecutors and suggest the U.S. deliberately thwarted evidence that could help terror suspects defend themselves at trial.
Kuebler said the apparent destruction of evidence prevents him from challenging the reliability of any alleged confessions. He said he will use the document to seek a dismissal of charges against Khadr.
A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, said he was reviewing the matter Sunday evening.
The "standard operating procedures" manual that contained the purported instructions was made available to Kuebler last week as part of a pretrial review of potential evidence, the Navy lawyer said.
"The mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify, keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimize certain legal issues," the document is quoted as saying in an affidavit signed by Kuebler.
The document could support challenges by other detainees to suppress confessions at Guantanamo, where the U.S. military says it plans to prosecute as many as 80 of roughly 270 detainees before the first U.S. war-crimes tribunals since World War II.
The case against Khadr, who was captured in Afghanistan when he was 15, is on track to be one of the first to trial. He faces war-crimes charges including murder for allegedly throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces soldier during a 2002 firefight.
Kuebler said the nature of the interrogations is particularly relevant in Khadr's case because prosecutors are relying on evidence "extracted" from him at Bagram air base in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo.
"If handwritten notes were destroyed in accordance with the SOP, the government intentionally deprived Omar's lawyers of key evidence with which to challenge the reliability of his statements," Kuebler said in an e-mail to reporters.
The operations manual, which dates to January 2003, was attached to a 2005 report on an investigation into detainee abuse allegations at Guantanamo, Kuebler said. A summary of the findings was released at the time, but the defense lawyer said the section including the manual has not been made available publicly.
The so-called Schmidt-Furlow report documented degrading treatment, including one instance of a top terror suspect forced to dance with another man and behave like a dog. But investigators stopped short of saying torture occurred.
The lawyer for Toronto-born Omar Khadr, Lt. Cmdr. William Kuebler, said the instructions were included in an operations manual shown to him by prosecutors and suggest the U.S. deliberately thwarted evidence that could help terror suspects defend themselves at trial.
Kuebler said the apparent destruction of evidence prevents him from challenging the reliability of any alleged confessions. He said he will use the document to seek a dismissal of charges against Khadr.
A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, said he was reviewing the matter Sunday evening.
The "standard operating procedures" manual that contained the purported instructions was made available to Kuebler last week as part of a pretrial review of potential evidence, the Navy lawyer said.
"The mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify, keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimize certain legal issues," the document is quoted as saying in an affidavit signed by Kuebler.
The document could support challenges by other detainees to suppress confessions at Guantanamo, where the U.S. military says it plans to prosecute as many as 80 of roughly 270 detainees before the first U.S. war-crimes tribunals since World War II.
The case against Khadr, who was captured in Afghanistan when he was 15, is on track to be one of the first to trial. He faces war-crimes charges including murder for allegedly throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces soldier during a 2002 firefight.
Kuebler said the nature of the interrogations is particularly relevant in Khadr's case because prosecutors are relying on evidence "extracted" from him at Bagram air base in Afghanistan and at Guantanamo.
"If handwritten notes were destroyed in accordance with the SOP, the government intentionally deprived Omar's lawyers of key evidence with which to challenge the reliability of his statements," Kuebler said in an e-mail to reporters.
The operations manual, which dates to January 2003, was attached to a 2005 report on an investigation into detainee abuse allegations at Guantanamo, Kuebler said. A summary of the findings was released at the time, but the defense lawyer said the section including the manual has not been made available publicly.
The so-called Schmidt-Furlow report documented degrading treatment, including one instance of a top terror suspect forced to dance with another man and behave like a dog. But investigators stopped short of saying torture occurred.
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Truth, Justice and the American Way.
The "American Way" being defined as:
a) Ignore all laws both foreign and domestic
b) Ignore all concepts of Judeo-Christian morality
c) cover it up and hide the evidence of all actions you took while engaging in a & b
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It's good to see the Bush administration still loves slapping the founding fathers in the face.
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S'funny. We can look back at extracting confessions from witches hundreds of years ago and realize, "How ridiculous! What mass hysteria! How could they have perverted justice and morality so easily?"
And now in the 21st century instead of torturing witches, we're torturting 15 year old Afghani kids.
(Back inthe 1700's)
"Damn you! Tell me about your relationship with Satan! Surely ye witches are all working for him to destroy this colony! Burn her! Burn her until she confesses!"
(Flash forward to 2008.)
"Damn you! Tell me about your relationship with Osama bin Laden! Obviously you Iraqis are all working for him, you brown skinned heathens, trying to destroy America! Burn him! Burn him until he confesses!"
For (expletitive) sake Republicans. Isn't it time we evolved past that 1700's mindset? -
As soon as the Bush administration is gone the truth of what happened out there will come out and lots of people are going to jail.
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- BetterWatching
- 4 months ago
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I wonder BetterWatching.
These guys learned their lesson after Watergate.
"DESTORY ALL EVIDENCE!"
Karl Rove did it by putting all emails on a outside email server and then....oops....accidentally deleting them. Eveidence destroyed. (insert picture of Rove giving an impish "Who, me?" shurg)
Now we're seeing military SOP manuals telling interrogators to destroy any evidence that might be incriminating!
These guys have studied all the great dictators of the past and have brought their A game over the last 8 years.
Heck, even Alberto managed to avoid any and all incriminating charges simply be declaring the noncomittal "I don't recall." over and over and over again.
I doubt if we'll ever be able to get these guys behind bars because they are simply too powerful and too evil.
They had a plan ffrom Day One (Rove didn't accidentally switch to a non-government regulated email server) and they were basically in total absolute control of all levels of government for almost a solid decade. They were in control of all branches of government and went in with a plan of covering their tracks.
I doubt we'll ever be able to get them. -
Thanks for posting this!
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- CarolynGillis
- 4 months ago
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Oh my,what a surprise........
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- squilla1123
- 4 months ago
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This is absolutely egregious.
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I've always wondered why there is ever any evidence to destroy. You always see headlines like this or of a leaked memo or document of some sort. "Only Hire Whites", "Fire All the Women" - besides being horrible plans, who thinks it's a great idea to create a paper trail of this type of behavior?
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check out this pod, bush wanted for murder
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Bush is a sadist. He likes torture for the "FUN"of it. I read somewhere that he used to make Jeb run while he shot at him with a BB gun. Then there is the frog thing. Apparently Babs was busy and didn't get him counseling.
Too bad people didn't get these stories from the media before we allowed him to start his war. They have tortured people to death, they have tortured little kids. Someone needs to go to prison besides that stupid pregnant girl, and her boyfriend. Lots of people.
Break up the media monopoly first! We have to hear the truth, and we won't with the mess we have.-
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- Marilynn_Murray
- 4 months ago
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i really don't put anything past this current administration...it really makes me wonder about all the things we don't know...pretty scary if you think about it
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I want to be disgusted, but I am just not surprised by these people anymore.
I'm just tired of them. Is it November yet? -
This makes me sick.
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Prediction: This is only the beginning. There's gonna be a whoooooooole lotta shredding goin' on, as November approaches -- just like there was in Karl Rove's office in the weeks before he bailed out. The Bush administration has LOTS to hide, and they'd better get to it lol.
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Am I the only liberal who would like to SEE these papers before lambasting bush some more?
We cannot bash these people for destroying evidence (in this case) because -unless I missed it- there is no link to the quoted document.
It is hypocritical to accuse a party of mistreatment of evidence when you are with-out any real evidence, we are hearing a second hand account of what a lawyer said he saw.
I don't disbelieve I just want to see the document for myself. -
American politics at its finest.
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- cerealforeal
- 4 months ago
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Noble idea, DrGlass, but the whole point of shredding is so that you/we do NOT see the documents...
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These prisoners may very well be guilty of the crimes they're accused of, and hey, I'm all for getting all the information you can get from them, even if extraordinary measures have to be used. Great care should be taken however, that a certain line doesn't get crossed, or we run the risk of violating the very constitution, laws and ethics that makes America so great. Why their destroying evidence...makes me wonder how much of their tactics did violate the rules.
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crazy.
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- joshuaheller
- 4 months ago
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This makes me think,...OUCH,...
If we can do this to U.S. war prisoners, what would stop an "enemy" from doing this to us?
Would the U.S. allow an American to be denied evidence, council, fair and speedy trials, civil rights, religious freedoms, et cetera!??!
Despite what many of my shirtless-mustached-white-male-American neighbors would say, the U.S.A. is not always right!
Think Geneva,... think morality,... think peace,...think!
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To put things into context for those of the neoconservative pro-torture persuasion -- the Hells Angels are one of the most powerful, violent and dangerous law breakers in the US.
They run drugs, run extortion scams, murder people and have even acquired military grade weaponry to advance their criminal enterprises. Rocket launchers, grenades, etc. Their deep connections to Colombian drug lords have morphed these guys from colorful characters to deeply dangerous drug fueled mobsters (or "terrorists" if you will)
And there are a whole host of books on the bookstore shelves these days detailing the massive number of arrests that have occured that have seriously crippled their (and many other outlaw biker) organizations.
And yet we never tortured any of them in order to acoomplish this.
We never kidnapped them and turned them over to Syria to be tortured.
We never held them at GitMo.
We never had "interrogators" beat them with baseball bats or put panties on their head in order to break up their organization.
We broke up and disrupted and arrested their criminal leaders all while maintaining the rule of law and working within the restraints of our Constitution.
We used deep cover agents to inflitrate their organization and get a incredible treasure trove of information about them -- no "shock and awe" mass bombings with massive civilian causlities were necessary.
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ok really, what is the point of torturing these people anyway? and are they still looking for bin laden? It's ben i don't know how many years, and i have yet to hear about them finding him or confirming him dead. Maybe they'll find him in a "find waldo book" or a hidden 2pac track....lol
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what's in the dark will come to light. stop hiding bush and co.
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- keeshii768
- 4 months ago
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you guys are not going to get anymore evidence after the administration leaves. It's obviously been destroyed or put some where.
Pick something new to whine about -
This is precisely why impeachment is necessary. If they set the precedent for this illegal behavior and get away with it, then we are allowing it to happen.
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Why is everybody all on Bush's ass? Do you really think Guantanamo Bay just popped up when that tool took office? Its been around for a long time and the same stuff has been going on since the Navy was keeping Hatian refugees there 20-30 years ago. Stop taking the easy route by rippin Bush and use your head for something other then a hat rack. Rip the fact that we won't trade with Cuba but we'll use their land. Point out that the largest majority, not all I'll grant you, we somewhere else in the world not too long ago figuring out a way to kill people b/c they had a different belief system. Something, just get off the Bush thing. It's so old and played out and that flunkie is out in a few anyway
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I ask the same question daily, but no one likes to argue reasonably. It is always George Bush's fault everytime an inconvenience happens to the people of this site.
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- Day2Day1nSociety
- 3 months ago
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destroying evidence has become a us policy when it comes to terrorism
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why dont i find this to be a surprise?
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I get the whole save the terrorist thing (sarcasm), but on a serious note, why do we care? Why does it matter if they die? The fact that they have a belief in something is beautiful. The problem is when they take the next step and kill for it. Thats just not right. Hell, its not even Islam. This is the kind of stuff that shows why Americans will never truely get along. One side wants to glass the whole middle east, the other side wants to defend them in a court of law. Personally, I think both side are missing a few screws. But what do you expect from a place that keeps people on death row, eating off our plate, for 10 years
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I love the exclamation mark on the headline, as if news of this sort is at all suprising. The only thing that would suprise me in regards to what Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, (and earlier) Ashcroft and Rumsfeld would do to justify their suppression and illegal war would be to find they had actually told the truth. Just once. Even a little. Now THAT would be news.
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bush is crazy and a mad man
