Bob Barr: I was wrong about the war on drugs -- It's a failure
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Bob Barr was courageous enough to post this at Huffington Post, I would like to invite Barack Obama to current.com to post. I have posted an invitation below and would like to see him join the discussion.
by: Bob Barr - Politics on The Huffington Post
I'll admit it, just five years ago I was "Public Enemy Number 1" in the eyes of the Libertarian Party. In my 2002 congressional race for Georgia's Seventh District, the Libertarian Party ran scathing attack ads against my stand on Medical Marijuana.
Today, I am their presidential nominee and will represent libertarians at the top of the ticket on November 4th.
Huh?
That's right, Bob Barr, formerly the War on Drugs loving, Wiccan mocking, Clinton impeaching Republican is the presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party.
Now, you may be asking how this happened and my answer is simple: "The libertarians won."
For more than three decades, the Libertarian Party and small "l" libertarians have done their part to prove to America that liberty is the answer to most of the problems that we face today. Over the past several years, I was one of the many people influenced by this small party.
Whether through the free market or by simply allowing families to make their own decisions regarding the education of their children, libertarians have taught us that liberty does truly work.
In stark contrast, when government attempts to solve our societal problems, it tends to create even more of them, often increasing the size and depth of the original problem. A perfect example of this is the federal War on Drugs.
For years, I served as a federal prosecutor and member of the House of Representatives defending the federal pursuit of the drug prohibition.
Today, I can reflect on my efforts and see no progress in stopping the widespread use of drugs. I'll even argue that America's drug problem is larger today than it was when Richard Nixon first coined the phrase, "War on Drugs," in 1972.
America's drug problem is only compounded by the vast amounts of money directed at this ongoing battle. In 2005, more than $12 billion dollars was spent on federal drug enforcement efforts while another $30 billion was spent to incarcerate non-violent drug offenders.
The result of spending all of those taxpayer's dollars? We now have a huge incarceration tab for non-violent drug offenders and, at most, a 30% interception rate of hard drugs. We are also now plagued with the meth labs that are popping up like poisonous mushrooms across the country.
While it is clear the War on Drugs has been a failure, it is not enough to simply acknowledge that reality. We need to look for solutions that deal with the drug problem without costly and intrusive government agencies, and instead allow for private industry and organizations to put forward solutions that address the real problems.
by: Bob Barr - Politics on The Huffington Post
I'll admit it, just five years ago I was "Public Enemy Number 1" in the eyes of the Libertarian Party. In my 2002 congressional race for Georgia's Seventh District, the Libertarian Party ran scathing attack ads against my stand on Medical Marijuana.
Today, I am their presidential nominee and will represent libertarians at the top of the ticket on November 4th.
Huh?
That's right, Bob Barr, formerly the War on Drugs loving, Wiccan mocking, Clinton impeaching Republican is the presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party.
Now, you may be asking how this happened and my answer is simple: "The libertarians won."
For more than three decades, the Libertarian Party and small "l" libertarians have done their part to prove to America that liberty is the answer to most of the problems that we face today. Over the past several years, I was one of the many people influenced by this small party.
Whether through the free market or by simply allowing families to make their own decisions regarding the education of their children, libertarians have taught us that liberty does truly work.
In stark contrast, when government attempts to solve our societal problems, it tends to create even more of them, often increasing the size and depth of the original problem. A perfect example of this is the federal War on Drugs.
For years, I served as a federal prosecutor and member of the House of Representatives defending the federal pursuit of the drug prohibition.
Today, I can reflect on my efforts and see no progress in stopping the widespread use of drugs. I'll even argue that America's drug problem is larger today than it was when Richard Nixon first coined the phrase, "War on Drugs," in 1972.
America's drug problem is only compounded by the vast amounts of money directed at this ongoing battle. In 2005, more than $12 billion dollars was spent on federal drug enforcement efforts while another $30 billion was spent to incarcerate non-violent drug offenders.
The result of spending all of those taxpayer's dollars? We now have a huge incarceration tab for non-violent drug offenders and, at most, a 30% interception rate of hard drugs. We are also now plagued with the meth labs that are popping up like poisonous mushrooms across the country.
While it is clear the War on Drugs has been a failure, it is not enough to simply acknowledge that reality. We need to look for solutions that deal with the drug problem without costly and intrusive government agencies, and instead allow for private industry and organizations to put forward solutions that address the real problems.
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Our society with it's underperforming schools and ever-changing economy seem to pressure large portions of our population into repeated failure. Failure in learning to read, failure to relate to people in healthy ways, failure to find a job, failure to support themselves and family.
No wonder these people feel the need to look for 'artificial success' in the form of the instant neurotransmitter rush of street drugs.
Lets start with schools: The number of kids who can't read is one of the best predictors of the future number of jail cells.
Then look into the corporations and help shift their view of the bottom line from mere dollar performance to a metric of social performance. That goes double for the petroleum industry! -
Bob Barr is wrong about a lot of things. He believes global warming is a myth.
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- stephenthomson
- 2 months ago
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you can't have wars on NOUNS, they don't work
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The messenger might not be the best, but the message is correct as to the ill-gotten never-ending extremely expensive war on drugs. We have the perfect example in our history with prohibition and its redaction from our constitution. It's story is being repeated in this rediculous attempt to make illegal what drugs folks want to put into their bodies. We have the largest percentage of people in jail than any nation on the planet. Most of them for possesion of some illegal drug. How rediculous is it to have people of all ages and mostly of darker colors in jail for what they would do to themselves? It's expensive to the tax payers, it promotes crime, and it is insane to think it can be stopped by trying to stop the producers. If one wants to stop its proliferation, one must stop its market. That's not going to happen. So, legalize it. It can be taxed as it rolls into the country. We won't have hundreds of thousands in jails that we paid to put and keep there. We'll have the corner on the market for maryjane - in California bringing in funds and creating jobs. And there won't be people out there trying to sell it to children in schools.
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- notonourwatch
- 2 months ago
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I didn't post this because I support Bob Barr's for President. I welcome the conversation.
How many families are dealing with alcoholism, due to the war on drugs? How many people drink because smoking cannabis is illegal? Drinking alcohol in excess is ruining families. Drunk drivers kill people.
How many families have been ruined by mothers, fathers, sons and daughters being put in jail for non-violent crimes (possession of cannabis)?
We have not had educated discussion of the subject. Anyone who has brought up the subject is portrayed as a hippie, druggie, just wanting to get high. Educational information has been removed from our history books about cannabis/hemp.
It's time to talk about it. We are paying for it. -
Will wonders never cease, you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Eventually, it is fiscal constraints that will drive us to revisit the "war on drugs" and seek other solutions. It will change when we realize we just can't afford it anymore.
it does seem that that day may be coming sooner than I thought. -
Let people take drugs. It's just like warning labels. If you remove them all the stupid people will die.
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J_Jammer, not exactly the educated discussion I was looking for. 'doesn't the spin make ya dizzy'. Maybe some individuals get their buzz from 'spinning'? Educated conversation stops their spin, takes away their buzz? Spinners need to find a new buzz! It's time for educated, factual discussion.
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No, no it is educational. Idiots will be filtered out. Those that survive the drugs they take are part of Survivor of the fittest's desire to better the species. Those that have been let go were not worthy.
Doesn't it hurt to use cliche speech? -
"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use...Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce [28g] of marihuana." -Jimmy Carter, U.S. President, Message to congress, 1977
Obviously he knew what was good for the country.-
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- cerealforeal
- 2 months ago
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Idiots will be filtered out? Survivor of the fittest? My goodness does everything have to be brought down to dumb. One person's idiot is anothers mother, father, brother, sister, etc. Who are we to decide only the fittest get to survive? What kind of country are we if we believe only intelligent people should survive? Many people are born less intelligent. Instead of appreciating the intelligence we are born with, we are supposed to degrade those less fortunate? Our prisons should be used for real criminals.
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If one wants to take drugs and it's legal to do so then who is to tell them what they can and cannot take? It will be their choice, correct? If they are not wise enough to make decisions about how much is too much then oh well because the law wouldn't be regulating them that would defeat the purpose of legalizing the drugs.
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"My rights end where your nose begins" or something like that who said it though?
The war on drugs is just as big a sham as the war on terror. the war on drugs simply costs way too much money, gets no results, and harms the people of the united states more than it helps. you want to start curbing the effects of drugs in the society? Don't make it illegal to do what i want to myself, unless it hurts someone else in the process, fix the socio economic injustices that create slums and addicts. Drugs have been a scapegoat of the failed aspects of capitalism for years, drugs don't pull down societies, the gap between the rich and poor pull it down, the lack of decent education, the explosive prices of higher education, not having health care for all, not having security when it comes to retirement or getting the neccesities. The rich are the only people that don't want these things. oh that and the naive christian right that actually accept a candidate based on 'value' issues like abortion and gay marriage.-
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- YaYSocialiSM
- 2 months ago
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Prohibition Is proven to raise crime and violence through criminal investors.
After prohibition of alcohol was dropped crime and murders dropped significantly and there was not a rise in alcoholism.
I wonder what his views are now on the wars on illiteracy,terror and crime. -
i was having this discussion with a friend just a couple of days ago... (yes I was high. funny enough i usually have very intellectual conversations after smoking) i don't understand how republicans haven't legalized marijuana yet...yes i understand that they play to the christian demographic but i always thought republicans loved money more than anything else...they can make a boat load of money by taxing marijuana...
j jammer...i noticed on here that you tend to play the devils advocate on these discussion boards which is great so we can get both sides of the argument...but to be cynical just for the sake of being cynical doesn't help any discussion and tends to make you look like an asshole -
I am just putting the best of both worlds together. Drugs and Evolutionary thought. You know, the cool facts of this world.
And yes, a sprinkle of sarcasm. Cynicism is a tad too much for me considering I'm far more C++ than C--. -
well then that's settled...for a while there i definitely thought you were leaning toward C--....phew!
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Progressives know first hand that Prohibition doesn't work.
We came. We Prohibited. And we did not kick ass as far as abolishing the demon in the bottle.
Not only does it cost too much to enforce, it costs too much to lock people up! I don't want to think about the BILLIONS of dollars we spend every year in taxes just so we can keep a 19 year old stoner in Maximum security lockdown.
I think we should legalize drugs, but maybe we could keep it confied to certain "zoned" areas? Kind of like a smoking lounge. Or the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. Or, heck, even gambling.
I think that would be effective because drugs aren't so "cool" as a consumer product if you have to smoke it (or inject it) elbow to elbow with the scum of the earth.
Would 18 year olds be tempted to do coke or herion if they had to do it sitting next to some 47 year old homeless guy that kept puking on the floor?
"Wanna do a couple line, sport? Perfectly legal in the clinic! Do as much as ya can afford! But watch were you step. Haven't had a chance to get all the blood and vomit cleaned up yet." -
A tiny amount of research almost immediately reveals why canabis is illegal in the US and Canada ( I have no knowledge of the situation in the UK).
In Canada, the cross country railway was built with the direction of a small group of white people but with the sweat, tears and hard labour of thousands Chinese men.
When the railway was finally completed, The Canadian government was under immese pressure to do "something" about the Chinese population. Many 'solutions' did nothing towards making those people "go home."
Finally, the goverment settled on a 'solution' similar to that employed in the US: criminalisation of certain products, marijuana being one. Until this point, production, sale and use of canabis had been unregulated and essentially ignored. Criminalisation had the effect of eliminating one of the very few sources of income that Chinese people could legally engage at that time (1905 - 1909 ish).
The Canadian government severely restricted the types of work and businesses open to Chinese people. Chinese people could have restaurants and laundries and they could grow and sell marijuana. The government's desperation to get its Chinese population out of the country was the foundation for our modern pot laws.
In the US, the government used the same tactic against Mexican itinerant workers in an effort to make that population return to Mexico (or wherever they supposedly came from, as many of them were born in the US but retained their culture and language partly due to exclusion and partly by choice).
However, significantly, there was not one shred of evidence that pot is dangerous or that pot laws stem from anything to do with health. Despite 85 years of fear-mongering, lies and scare tactics, people are not dropping dead, going crazy, rampaging or eating their children due to marijuana.
In reality, police services in Canada and the US would have very serious difficulty funding themselves if it were not for the funding they get from their resepctive state/provincial governments and from their respective federal governments to "fight the war on drugs."
According to "The Union: the Business of Getting High" police services in Canada and the US are against legalisation of marijuana simply because to do so would devastate them financially.
The "War" on drugs is a front that serves to maintain a blatant lie to the public and protects the source of millions/billions of dollars in police funding. That's it, that's all.-
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- WriterWriter
- 2 months ago
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I would like to see the discussion use the real names of the plant, cannabis and hemp. Marijuana is a slang term created by yellow journalism to mislead people about the plant that was being made illegal.
Anyone who disagrees with the war on cannabis/hemp should stop using the name 'marijuana'. Cannabis/hemp can be tracked back throughout history. The parachute that saved George Bush Sr. life was made of cannabis. During the war, farmers sons didn't have to serve if they grew hemp.
Cannabis/hemp -- not 'marijuana'! Let's change the name back to what it really is, cannabis/hemp. -
Immigration problems were part of the deal, but more of an excuse. The biggest smear campaign against cannabis was put forth by William Randolph Hearst, he stood to loose alot of power and money. He owned many newspapers, paper mills and forest land.
When other companies and farmers started making paper out of hemp his power and control of the market was challenged. He personally hand wrote every anti-cannabis ad in every one of his papers. He lobbied, lobbied, lobbied, paid officials and backed other campaigns like reefer madness. So, it was just another example of corporate corruption and control that is taking place today in our government today.
Who has personally gained from the war on terror?
Dick Cheney's companies have made over 27.5 Billion dollars from government contracts since 2000.
The Bush and Bin laden families as part of the Carlyle Group (the worlds #7 weapons manufacturer before 9/11 and now #1 Weapons manufacturer) gained significantly, but were forced to drop out. "Some say they are still silent partners"
So, do you see the connection? -
It's good that Barr has seen the light about the issue. As a libertarian I initially had issues with his conservative leanings... and I am still skeptical of his reversal. It's not easy to break away from a black-and-white conservative mentality like the kind he started his political career with.
This is a start, but there's more work to be done. It's not enough to say this is a failure. You have to be willing to end it and shut down the operation, and that means you have to fight the very zero-sum mentalities that Barr and others initially put in power, because they're not going to give up that power without a fight. -
The drug war needs to end. Here's an article written by David Simon, genius creator of the wire, on how you can help.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1719872,... -
According to Wikipedia:
Barr attained national prominence as one of the leaders of the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. What kind of a Libertarian cares what someone is doing sexually in their own private time and nonetheless spending countless tax dollars and time to pursue such a frivolous matter?
Barr took a lead in legislative debate concerning same-sex marriage. He authored and sponsored the Defense of Marriage Act, a law enacted in 1996 which states that only marriages that are between a man and a woman can be federally recognized, and individual states may choose not to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another state.
In Congress, he also controversially proposed that the Pentagon ban the practice of Wicca in the military.
And he's totally ANTI-Choice.
He seems more like a Neo-con Republican than a Libertarian to me.
Bob Barr will never win the presidency or legalize drugs, but he will deny the existence of global warming with GLENN BECK and reinforce the idea that Libertarians are just white, affluent, straight men who have nothing to worry about except getting high.-
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- Colonial_Zombie
- 2 months ago
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This proves, once again, that war is not the answer...
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It should not be up to one man to legalize drugs, or criminalize drugs, facts should be what matters. Someone has to have the courage to state the facts. Someone with a voice, Ron Paul and Bob Barr both have voices that are not mainstream. Mainstream is no longer 'Americanstream', it's the stream of the 'few' controlling the conversation of the 'many'!
Mainstream media is so afraid of Ron Paul, they virtually eliminated him all on their own. They misstated the numbers as to how he was polling. But if you google Ron Paul on you tube, he has more posts than Barack Obama, or John McCain. Other candidates expand the conversation. I would like to see ‘truthful conversation’ during the rest of the 2008 Campaign.
Bob Barr may never win the presidency or legalize drugs, but Americans need to hear views from all candidates running for president. The views of a Democrat and a Republican limits the conversation to things only 'they' care about.
I want a President who has the courage to ‘Speak truth to US’. We need a leader willing to look at the facts and ‘speak the truth’. -
My only input to this conversation is to look at what happened to Tobacco when it got taxed.
Cannabis would seem to be the ideal solution to those old tobacco companies; they could stop selling tobacco and start selling the cannabis. However they would make it addictive, as they did with tobacco. It has been shown and proven time and again that raw tobacco isn't nearly as addictive nor cancerous as what you buy in a store.
*I AM NOT SAYING* that all forms of Tobacco are not addictive, they are, but the modified forms sold as Camel and Kool, etc are far more addictive than the raw plant leaf rolled up and smoked.
So, we would end up with a new Big Cannabis industry, which could possibly help to offset the need to cut down trees by selling the non smokable plant fiber to the cotton industry and paper industries -- making twills and blends that are stronger, cooler, and longer lasting.
It could be win-win, or win-lose depending on your view. I worry that the industrializing would destroy the flavor, taste, and general quality -- just like what happened to Tobacco. -
BobBarr conducted what I considered his own racist war on drug.s He was responsible for the conviction and imprisonment of entire familiesand the misery that befell the children whose parents only crime was that they failed to snitch on their partner,son etc. The "gangster attitude",that is prevalent in most urban policei.e.thievery,extortion complicityto and sometimes even murder is the result of this rampant war on drugs,where white juries will convict on fear and for police approval and black juries will acquit,tired of police misconduct,perjury and criminality Can Barr right all the wrongs he has done.
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- richiechoo
- 2 months ago
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I would like to invite Barack Obama to current.com to start the discussion. If he’s willing to talk to Leaders in other countries, he should talk to us about our war, the ‘War on Drugs’! I don’t agree with some people, I don’t think all drugs should be legal. I would like to start the conversation with; War on cannabis and industrial hemp. Is it a ‘just’ war, or has it been perverted for the benefit of ‘corporations’?
There are so many facts and history to cannabis/hemp. If Barack Obama would gather individuals from both sides to talk about the ‘real’ war on drugs, he could win the respect of Americans who think the public discussion is long overdue.
If Barack Obama really wanted to stand above John McCain, he would start the conversation, gathering others to participate in the discussion about the reality of the ‘War on American Soil’. The Drug War! The ‘silent’ war on ‘industrial hemp’. One can not get ‘high’ from ‘industrial hemp’, yet it is included in the ‘War on Drugs’. ‘Industrial hemp’ could be grown to compete for many synthetic products, with makes it dangerous to ‘competitive synthetic’ items. I would like to see us give our farmers a new crop, industrial hemp. There is room for everything, natural and synthetic. I think they are afraid, cannabis/hemp would be the choice of the people if they were both available.
