Pledge to vote for High Speed Rail in California!
- added June 23, 2008
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- jade_azul16
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Vote YES on the California High Speed Rail Bond Measure in the November general election!
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- jade_azul16
- 3 months ago
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- jade_azul16
- 3 months ago
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Oh, I will.
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Well, yes, but it won't be the first time.
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Jade, where does the fault line run where this is proposed? Rapid transit is an idea that we need to adopt everywhere and get some cars off the road.
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BRILLIANT!!!!
Who the hell would red light that? Do you work at General Motors?
I can't wait until this PASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
We need to get away from driving so much! This seems like a great answer to long commutes, and gets us a step closer to clean energy, and would think about what it would do for LA traffic!
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Well if I lived in Cali I would vote for this. This is what we need on a national level though. When I ride Amtrak from Seattle to Chicago it takes dame near three days. With a bullet train in place that trip could be shortened to one day tops.
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Chique--
The San Andres Fault runs along the San Bernadino Mountains and then up the coastal range then off into the ocean. Millions of side faults all up and down the coastal regions. High speed rail would run from LA, up over the those Mountains, then up the central valley to who knows where - San Jose or Sacramento. -
let's do it, California!
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such a great idea!!
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- goldenways
- 3 months ago
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California, we have our faults... but that didn't stop us from building (and rebuilding, and rebuilding again) our freeways which cross the same faults. What's your point in bringing that up Chique?
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Pledged! Thanks for posting this, Jade!
Now that's good thinking! Welcome to the 21st century, America! -
digitrash - Because I don't live there and was curious how one would affect the other. Why do you ask?
Thanks Jade and dndobson. I visited there right after the overpasses fell years ago and the only time I've been in California. Seeing that stuck vividly in my mind. I live in Florida where nature has other hat tricks for us. -
This will unify California
no more socal norcal crap -
I cannot pledge a vote on a project that is missing many parts. We should demand them to present the project with all its parts as:
1. What type of technology this train will have?
2. What type of corridor this train will be running through?
3. Where is the environment impact review report EIRR?
a. Noise
b. Landscape
c. Energy
d. Technology
e. Habitats and Human Impact
4. What will be the cost for construction and for the Communities?
Let us not make the same mistakes of the past!
From evidences I can tell you that San Francisco Transportation Agencies, besides being a totalitarian entity, have NO responsibility towards human lives outside of their corridor of transit. You better think about before jumping in!!! -
Would if I could.
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- Dmitri_Molotov
- 3 months ago
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Also stopnoise, will it be economically impactful based on the cost? How many trees will be felled to make way for track and yes, what other habitats would be effected? As you stated more information is needed, though it is good to see such an initiative. Would love to see one in my state as well with that criteria met.
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- JanforGore
- 3 months ago
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High speed rail has been talked abut in Georgia for a long time. It's needed from Atlanta to Chattanooga, to Macon,maybe Athens too. Many people including my husband drive an hour or more to work in Atlanta each day. High speed rail would benefit many here.
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I am not against Transportation that is safe and clean. I am just against the way they are developing some parts of this project. They way I see in the video with a train riding at 200mpm through a open farm field it is a crazy idea!
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i dont live in cali but get that thing built i want to ride on it
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Japan and Germany have the best technology for trains as they are far ahead of us. Wouldn't be wise to consult with them if we are getting the best technology and best project for the best cost instead rush in?
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Sooner or later we're going to have to upgrade our rail systems across the country. This seems like a step in the right direction.
I was listening to NPR the other day and they were talking about how many TONS of merchandise can be moved across country per gallon of fuel compared to using old-fashioned semi-trucks -- and, boy, It is soooo much more fuel efficent to use rails instead of gas guzzling trucks but for some reason no one in Congress want to invest any money in it.
Make syou wonder how decisions get made at that level -- do they really understand the benefits? Are they just listening to trucking lobbyists and no one else? Do they even care? Makes ya wonder. -
You're correct Allsunday. It is insanely thought out as California High Speed Rail Authority has been planning high-speed rail for almost a decade. Also, issues like these have already been brought up in a conversation I had with stopnoise in a past article.
So I'll just copy and paste:
Recent advances have led to aerodynamic designs to reduce drag, lift, and noise. And that's what it's about: advances. I'm sure that once the ball gets rolling, the outstanding technology of Japan coupled with the brainiacs we have here in the US can lead to some amazing results in a new era of transportation.
Consider the 447 page research "Noise and Vibration from High-speed Trains" by Victor Krylov, a member of the UK Institute of Acoustics Research Coordination Committee. His expertise lies in physical acoustics and its applications to engineering problems.
Consider conferences on noise rail control here: http://www.uic.asso.fr/environnement/article.php3?id_ar...
So with that all said, I'm hoping big time for this project to happen. It's too bad that I live in San Antonio where all that's been done is talk. However, seeing it being done in a large state like that of Texas, we can hopefully jump on the bandwagon. Lots of study has been done on this and other countries are well ahead of us in this technology. It'll be great to see it so close to home.
And a big thanks for posting this Jade! -
Great Post Jade. I love the idea. I want it to run up to Canada though. I can imagine high speed rail all over the country. Wouldn't that be absolutely wonderful? I dream of high speed rail and a huge wind, solar project going in too. We can do it too. This is why I love this country, and am REALLY proud of America.
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- Marilynn_Murray
- 3 months ago
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San Francisco has not proved itself to handle well their own internal affairs on transportation. We should have subways transport to everywhere in our neighborhoods by now or near future. No one is talking about that or presenting such a project. How can they assure us they will be handling this project well. Please do a complete research on the subject and do not buy yourself into a hype presentation. Compare other projects from Japan and Germany of similar size. Ask how they did the EIRR first before making up your mind.
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The high-speed mass transit idea has been talked about for many years now. It would solve a lot of the problems, not only of polutants in the air, but of things like auto insurance and maintenance costs, etc. In reality, there should be high-speed mass transit in every state, by now, then 'big oil' and the auto industry wouldn't have the foothhold on society, like they do...
This is America, but look at what's been done to us over the last 60 years, or since WWII...
It seems the invisiblle hand of control is tightening around our throats, lately...we, badly, need this sort of change... -
I'm kind of bitter that it doesn't come closer to Santa Cruz, but otherwise, I'd be stoked for something like this.
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- Adumbration
- 3 months ago
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Ah, it took a while to find this claim, which is the one i'm usually most interested in...
"The cost to build the 800-mile system is estimated to be about $40 billion. Once built, the system will not require operating subsidies and will generate $1 billion in annual profits. "
[from http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/faqs/cost-and-payment... ]
of all of the high-speed or "bullet" train systems in the world, how many have returned that kind of profit level?
of ALL public-transit systems in the world, how many have, over any period of time, returned ANY profit at all?
how about this proposal: if, after five years of operation, no net profit is achieved, the system will be dismantled or sold off to private investors and the revenue from the sale will be used to rebuild the hihghway system and its infrastructure?
no takers, i'll bet. never are... just like the alleged "profits." let's see... Amtrak, BART, um, name some others... WAY profitable.... -
I am totally for this system, and I hope it runs through Oregon and all the way up to British Columbia.
This is very exciting to me. -
oh, ps.. if you're at ALL familiar with California, and apparently at least one of you is not...
there are VERY FEW trees between LA and SF that would be in the path of those tracks.
CA is not like NC, PA, VA, .......
go there, drive I-5 from Silicon Valley to LA [405 miles, i believe the sign says... ] and see how many dense forests you drive through... clue: virtually none. -
It bet use of BART is way up now Plus.It might even turn a profit this year. 8D
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- Marilynn_Murray
- 3 months ago
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Cool, I like it.
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- VoyagerFilms
- 3 months ago
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Check out the story of one of the most profitable rail systems in the world; the MTR. Hong Kong's metro rail system connects all the vital parts of the region and has undergone several expansions since its inception during the Arab oil embargo of the Carter era.
This rail system has become so profitable that it has been opened up to privatization and mergers with privately held entities.
Excerpt from Wiki Article on MTR Privatization...
On 2000-10-05 the operator of the MTR network, MTR Corporation Limited (MTRCL), became Hong Kong's first privatised rail and metro company, marking the beginning of the Hong Kong government's planned initiative to wind down its interests in various public utilities. Prior to its listing on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, the Mass Transit Railway Corporation (MTRC) was wholly owned by the Hong Kong Government. The offering involved the sale of around one billion shares, and the company now has the largest shareholder base of any company listed in Hong Kong. In June 2001, MTRCL was transferred to the Hang Seng Index.
MTRCL has always been reliant on developing properties next to railway stations for its profits to complement its already profitable rail lines. Many recently built stations are incorporated into large housing estates or shopping complexes. Examples can be seen at Tsing Yi station, which is built next to the Maritime Square shopping centre, and directly underneath the Tierra Verde housing estate.
On 2006-04-11, MTRCL signed a non-binding Memorandum of Understanding with the Hong Kong Government, the owner of KCRC, to merge the operation of the two railway networks of Hong Kong.[17][18] The merger proposal has been approved by the minority shareholders of the Corporation in an Extraordinary General Meeting held on 9 October 2007, allowing MTRCL to take over the operation of the KCR network and combine the fare system of the two networks on 2 December 2007.[19][20]
After the merger, the MTR network included three more lines, East Rail Line, West Rail Line and Ma On Shan Line, together with the Light Rail network. -
I for one say that if Hong Kong can do it, so can California. There ain't nothing that California can not do.
California is the in the top 6 or 7 economies in the world. It could be a powerhouse economic power globally if it so chose to detach from the rest of the United States.
If the California Rail system could earn five dollars per passenger in net profit per ride and their were a half a million passengers per day per year, that would reach their goal.
A high speed rail system spanning the state would probably serve millions of people. Surely they could reach their goal of a billion in profit a year.
