Circumcision: Cutting the competition

It's just a way for those in authority to prove their position to you - by showing they can control even your most private affairs.

well....it makes you less sensitive therefore (supposedly) less horny....but now we know that it is cleaner, so maybe in the ancient days they somehow knew this?

I think the main reason of circumcision was for hygiene and to give the Man better vaginal penetration without pain. So to make this stuff more acceptable they develop a ritual from it.

Whoa..........They don't know who started it and yet they do it?

i read that this procedure was done by Egyptians to lower sex drive and to make the slave population more docile...

It is only more hygienic if the males are never taught how to properly clean themselves. Females have all kinds of nooks and crannies that they keep clean quite easily. To use hygiene as an excuse to mutilate a child is inexcusable. I consider circumcision to be a mass-acccepted form of mutilation...one day far in the future the practice will be looked upon with shame and regret.

<better vaginal penetration without pain.>

Pain for who? The man? Ridiculous. There are plenty of uncircumcised men who will tell you that they have no pain involved at all. As for the women...if they are in pain it has nothing to do with whether the man still has his foreskin...if there is pain for her she needs to see a doctor.

Hollyg I 100% agree with you!

shit im glad my junk got cut

And I'm glad I'm european...

The only people who need it are men who have genuine problems with their foreskin, and it's pretty rare.

Auto doing it at birth is disgusting, religion/culture/local standards or not.

The Hygiene topic is an insult in all fairness, and as for pain....eh Whut?

Clay I'm with you one hundred percent of the way.

The idea that I could be hornier, experience pain dunning intercourse and most importantly need a lesson on how to clean my junk fully justifies circumcision in my mind. Good job mom and dad you guys rock.

most ladies need a man that can last longer. and most men wish it was bigger. the answer is to stop cutting them. and if you think you need to cut some thing off to keep it clean. your dumb and nothing will help you keep it clean. its like sleeping in your yard to keep your home clean. but its cutting your PENIS!

next lets pull out are teeth and cut off are Aholes that way we all will be super clean.

I'm glad my parents cut mine. I have no problem enjoying sex .

Not all social customs are adaptive. Many die out for being meaningless or harmful, such as genital mutilation. It has been fading for centuries, and will continue to do so.

wait....... im not cut.... seirously...

Ricky, the point is that you WOULDN'T have pain during sex if you were not circumcised nor would your partner. And I'm not sure why you think learning to properly bathe if you still had your foreskin is a big deal. Most males on the planet do it every day...I mean, you learned to brush your teeth, right?

I'm with you on that hollyg.

My God, doesn't make mistakes that humans with pea brains need to correct - unfortunately, my parents made the mistake.

There is a long documented history about the reason(s) humans have been violated by / with circumcision over the ages - it isn't for cleanliness, that's to get you shallow thinkers to go along with it. You know, like "Iraq has WMD's".

Those of you who claim to be glad your manhood was molested and mutilated at birth (or anytime), wow! Wow! You really, really amaze me. WOW! It doesn't matter how you rationalize it, or how your family and peer group accepts and embraces it, WOW! You know, there are tribes in Africa that mutilate female genitalia, what's the difference? WOW! (my head is spinning, I'm feeling dizzy trying to grasp your position). Oh, and you must be Republicans.

And besides, my God is better than your God, my God is perfect and your God makes mistakes. My God can beat up your God. Niener! Niener! Niener!

what an exciting drawing

My hubby is not circumcised. He lasts a long time, does not have pain, does not hurt me and he knows how to wash himself.

your penis is the only part of you that the world needs and your cutting it up. Fools! Thats your penis... Trust in god not in man.

I really enjoyed this story because it dealt with an issue that I never really considered. The various comments were insightful and I had a good laugh when I read Number1’s post about me not having a proper cock. ( The next time someone asks me what’s wrong I’m SO going to look them in the eyes, muster my best serious face, and state that my thing is not proper as if they should have known all along.)

My comment was not meant to be hateful. It was a personal admission that I embrace my mutilated guy because, as I see it, there is no reason for me to get angry. I know my parents love me and had me circumcised cause they thought it was best for me. Then Voyager McDouchealot had to be a buzz kill by going on a tirade.

Let me tell you something about shallow Voyager. You don’t have any right to tell me how I should rationalize what’s been done to my junk. You especially have no right to throw WMD’s and the suffering in of my people in my face. I have family in Iraq right now and I am all to aware of the fact that they might die for a lie.

Your attack was disgusting and about as unnecessary as ANYTHING the bush administration has ever done. Why do you go do something constructive instead of playing internet tuff guy.

OMG...mutilation. That word makes it should worse that it is and it's laughable people even use that as a description.

I can't believe some people care so much about another guy's penis.

No one knows the difference between one who is and one who isn't. They speculate until the cows come home, die and then become hamburgers, but they'll never fully know.

It's the dumbest argument the world has ever seen or ever needed to see.

But mutilation....hahahahaha.....females get mutilated but males do not. Facts people, facts.

i can understand why the first guy in the painting looks to be resisting, but the second guy,... his arm is to his side as the other is resting on the dicemans head, hmmm...

haha i too love accusing people of being republicans when they don't agree with me

I really like this article. Ironically, it's a topic of discussion within my group of friends now and again because of how mixed the company is.

Personally, I think it would be better if the decision to be circumcised were left up to the individual when they were old enough to form thoughts and ideas of their own. (Kind of like ear-piercing or tattoos, etc..) Any type of change to the original form of one's body should be decided upon by that individual, not the culture or the individual's parents, etc.

Now, I understand that even if the choice was left up to the individual after they reached a certain age, there would still probably be social and cultural stigmas that went along with whether one would decide to do it or not, but at least there would be more "free will" involved.

I have been with men that are circumcised and with men that aren't, and there's a difference in the way it feels and looks, but that's about it. The guys who aren't circumcised are NOT any less clean than the guys who are circumcised.

I also think that if/when I have children of my own, and if they happen to be male, I will A) birth the child(ren) at home instead of a creepy institution/corporation/hospital and B ) leave the choice of circumcision up to the child(ren) when he gets old enough to decide what to do with his own body.

From the conversations that I have with my peers, I believe that this is the direction that the general public is going in, as far as the circumcision topic goes.

An excellent quote:
"Otherwise, most of the Western world has already largely abandoned routine neonatal circumcision, which is seen as an outdated and unfortunate medical fad."
My son is now two, and his father and I went rounds over this one. I refused to allow his penis to be cut apart for any reason that wasn't medically necessary, and I feel like I made the right choice. If he chooses to cut himself when he's an adult, he's more than welcome to, but he wouldn't have a choice if I had it done to him as a baby.
Jammer, get a clue. I seriously hope that you're joking, because if you honestly believe there's a difference between female and male genital mutilation, I wont be able to take you seriously ever again. Just because it happens to a male, we wont call it mutilation? Can you define mutilation for the class?
Sure, you can't tell a circumcised man from one who isn't, but you can't tell a circumcised woman from one who isn't either. Does that really bolster the argument?

You being a woman trying to argue to me what it would be like to cut a penis is what I can't take seriously.

I have a penis. I know what is mutilation and what is not. You telling me what is and isn't isn't even viable.

I'm sure you wouldn't like a man telling you that a mammogram feels great stop whining.

Just because we're women doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on circumcision, especially because it affects us too, in the form of who we choose to share ourselves with sexually and how we choose to care for and educate our sons.

Oh wait a second...what is abortion? Everyone.....

Woman's choice.

Now women want to control what happens to the penis?

I think not.

No one said anything about women controlling what happens to your penis, j jammer. Except maybe your mother, when she chose to either allow or disallow you to be circumcised.

So, I guess, in a way, women do control what happens to the penis because they sign the waiver allowing foreskin to be cut from it at childbirth.

And abortion, theoretically, should be a choice that is made between the two people that made the fetus. Not just the woman's or just the man's.

Where are you? What country do you live in? I'm just curious because it doesn't seem like you're coming from the same place I'm coming from.

I'm not. I think a woman's view is invalid since she doesn't know what it's like to have one.

The father should decide because they know.

Allowing the child to decide is deciding for them anyway. You're deciding NOT to do it for them because what lunatic would get it when they get older? The pain...the healing process. I think no one would choose to do it for that reason alone no matter the health issues that might arise.

I don't like when people pretend they are being kind hearted by allowing the child to decide...they are not. They are deciding for the child in a way they want...by not getting it done. So lying to me and telling me it's some sort of sweet offering you display is not only laughable but see through.

The idea that a woman would have a single clue of what it's like is annoying because of how many things women, as a group, state what men do not understand and for them to encroach on this subject as if their opinion is at all equal is not only disrespectful but it's disillusioned.

If a guy thinks it's better to be then for them it is and they have that right to think that because they understand.

A woman saying it is like them agreeing with an opinion of someone else and not forming one on their own because they have NOTHING to base it on.

I cannot tell you how to handle your period no matter how many woman I've been around that has had one. It is not my place to tell you anything about how to handle it or how you should feel or what you should do. It's the same thing.

I am from Texas.

Ok.

I should just give you what you want and say "Oh, as a man, you're right. As usual. We little ol' women don't have a damn clue about penises or health risks or anything like that because it's not like all the information in the world is available for us to read through and absorb. Information that was given to us by men as well as women about the male physique and health risks related to circumcision."

Right? You'd like that? You don't want this conversation to have ever happened, right? Because you'd rather women keep their mouths shut about issues that they care about?

I see. Ok, there ya go! You're so right, J Jammer. Of course. Nothing that you can say about circumcision can ever be wrong and nothing that I can say - as a women - about circumcision can ever be correct.

Then you don't care if a man tells you how to handle a period or a mammogram?

Glad that's cleared up.

You don't know what I want. Your sarcasm on that is proof enough.

Circumcised penises are neither more nor less hygienic (despite what 1950s health class films will have us believe) than uncircumcised penises. That's just propaganda. Most people today -- excepting Jewish -- do it because they're afraid of the social stigma of retaining the foreskin.

My cousin got a circumcision when he was 12 because his foreskin had gotten infected. He wasn't allowed to pull back the foreskin to wash it properly because of the Catholic household he grew up in with only women, none of them wanted him playing with his penis; and they certainly didn't want to touch it to wash it properly when he was little to give him a bath.

Circumcision is an ugly ignorant thing and I am glad that the trend it to not do it.

I have seen the suffering in many men's eyes because of the mutilation of their penises. Sometimes those people doing the circumcising take off a little too much and doesn't leave any loose skin to move up and down so when the guy gets older and starts having an erection he can't masturbate without lube.

Or the cases of when the guy gets the tip of his penis accidentally snipped off in the circumcision by some zealous Rabbi.

Or the cases of guys who are born with abnormal looking genitalia and the doctors decide to make it look more normal surgically, because the parents want to be absolutely sure about what sex their baby is when they take him/her home. Many times people have had the wrong genital assigned to them only to find out many years later that they are a girl on the outside but a boy on the inside....oops the doctor made a mistake when the kid was born and made a girl out of his genitals that they couldn't figure out or weren't readily clear.

Ricky84 - I love my parents also, and do not hold it against them. They also were doing what the "expert" doctors said was the thing to do.

I don't know if you caught the somewhat lighthearted nature of my comments, you know the Niener! Niener! thing? But, what I had to say still stands.

I did research the issue some years back before I had my son. I'd kick up some researched facts, but honestly, I didn't bother too save nor memorize any of the history or details. I'm not a circumcision buff nor researcher. I got the concept, drew my conclusions and that's that.

How can you say it's not mutilation? Because it didn't leave an ugly scare? Because it wasn't done in malice?

Think about this; it's the part of the body with the greatest concentration of nerves, i.e., most sensitive. A person takes a knife, taking what God, mother nature, evolution has developed over thousands and thousands of years (take your pick) slices into it and cuts it off, all those nerves - you don't think that mutilation?

What about the response of a baby if you respond harshly to it - it cries. What if you spank the baby - it cries. How many times more severe is it to actually inflict bodily harm, dismemberment to the very most sensitive part of it's whole anatomy?

Maybe you haven't considered the impact such a thing has on a newborns psychic. How many dysfunctions can we trace to that single event? Is it the underlying character flaw behind say a rapist - who when they are old enough to overpower another imparts some form of pain and suffering on a weaker individual as occurred to them?

Is this the "secret" ingredient behind child molesters? Child abusers? Bullies? Psychopaths? Are we creating rotten apples at birth and then shaking our heads in ignorance why?

Shallow thinkers, go deeper. I mean that respectfully. Ya, I was circumcised, maybe I am an internet bully.