No skipping gay-friendly classes, schools tell parents

As a hetero, I can't remember gay people asking us to be friendly to them. I believe the question was " Can you please quit beating us over the head, and maybe stop violating our civil rights?". Personally, I think public schools don't teach nearly enough social studies. Shouldn't children be given the tools to go into the world and make informed and rational decisions?

Oh, these poor people! Their children have to learn tolerance and that there are different lifestyles and beliefs than their own! What an atrocity! /End sarcasm.

I'm surprised Canadains need these classes...i thought Gays were everywhere up there.

As much education they have as better as society will be. You do not run from issues, you try to understand it! We just hope with more education, violence and stereotype against human sexuality will lessen.

I think that good people know how to respect other people.Even disrespectful people will probably stay away from them.Only students that have a reputation of harassing or beating gay people should stay.Theres no use teaching a chemist what an atom is

We always hear that there is no gay agenda. That is not true

Why not have classes on respect for all. Do we have classes to stop picking on small people, fat people,virgins, red hair kids etc....No we don't so why Gays think they are superior.

When you make immorality moral, a country will go down. (+ and+ does not equal + and -). May be they can start with math.

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Parents should have authority over what their children are allowed to learn, especially when it comes to the issue of alternative sexuality. Preventing parents from pulling their children from such classes will be a form of encouragement for boys and girls to explore their curiosity about what it's like to have a same-sex relationship. Unfortunately, people have made homosexuality a civil rights issue, when really it is wrong because it is not natural, people are not born gay, a guy might have abnormally high levels of estrogen, but that doesn't mean that society should accept homosexuality as a civil rights issue. Some scientists are trying to give evidence supporting homosexuality as something that is not a choice, when really, the moment certain individuals commenced their curiosity about what it's like to sleep with the same sex, the notion became an addiction. Homosexuality is an addiction; I believe that everybody chooses to be gay or straight, to a greater or lesser degree. For those people who struggle to stay straight yet who get therapy, good for them. What is the point of having two sexes? And an answer of, "Oh, well some people are straight and others are gay" is pathetically lame.

The more you prevent your child from seeing/hearing/learning about something, the more they will want to know about it. As a teen everything my mom told me I did the opposite. As I parent I remember this.

Parents have the right to do what ever they want when it comes to these kind of issues.

ex: some parents still prefer to teach their children sexed rather than the childs cheesy counselor with his free stick of deodorant

our children will learn how to deal with different types of people with or w/o public ed.

this is a tricky issue, there are lots of things on the table.

Educational Rights

Religious Rights

and Bigotry

I believe parents should have more control of their children than the state. What right does the government have to decide what children learn? Who is better equipped to make educational decisions? I believe things work better if controlled locally, a government bureaucracy is far away and inefficient in handling such specific issues and cannot properly see the effects that their legislation has on a school or community.

What do you do if someone's religion condemns homosexuality and a class like this presents that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Its a slippery slope of confusing children and possibly attacking the religious beliefs of Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Educating people in a philosophy is not wrong, but the issue is of forcing people to learn a belief. If a class promotes exploring sexuality than the class completely crosses the line, many religions promote abstinence and purity till marriage so it goes beyond just a homo/bi/trans/hetero issue.

Education is important to fight bigotry and violence. But is it necessary to single out groups that people shouldn't be violent against, or could there instead be classes that are designed to equally prevent bigotry and stereotypes. If we recognize all people as equal human beings and condemn all violence (except that of self defense) and hatred against all people.

Having Freedom sometimes means having to put up with things you don't like.

Learning tolerance
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Brainwashing Population-control Propaganda

Whether or not a student goes to these classes should be completely up to the parents. Public schools are just out of control. Admittedly this is Canada, a little more along the path to statism than the U.S., but the government does not have the last word in education, the parents do. My big problem with it is that it is mandated. You can't use the argument of inclusion and tolerance as an excuse to foist facism on people. Let the parents decide.

The thing I don't understand is why gay people have to flaunt their sexuality. I'm heterosexual I like women, I like eating pussy and having sex with women but i don't go around having parades or try an push my sexual preference on anyone. I don't have anything against gays except for that fact. just go about your day and don't tell me who you had sex with last night.

whatever.

to be honest sephig....thats really a small part of the gay community...the rest of us just live our normal lives and quite frankly people like the ones you described annoy the hell out of me.

The school is simply providing factual information about sexuality in all of its forms. There's nothing dangerous or harmful about it, and parents should not be allowed to pull their kids from classes just because they don't like reality and facts.
The Canadian people elected the representatives who put this policy in place, so it's not like it violates the views of most Canadians, who don't have a problem with this at all.

I i think that parents should be able to pull there children out of these classes. Childeren can learn this stuff in other places. School is a place to learn stuff like algebra and historyt and crap like that, not learning about the gay community. They can learn this from their parents and there community.

The power position of public education should never assume modern morals or common social view be mandatory education - nor veto a parents choice in what their children experience in school.

parents at least deserve options for their children

We're talking about exposure to things that people deem unhealthy for their children/lifestyle.

This is not 1+1=2

"We only tolerate you do everything we command."
So says the tolerance police.

Perhaps they should just create a class on Tolerance, or teach it in history, or create a class on Modern Culture, or maybe teach it in sex ed.

However it is important to teach kids tolerance towards homosexuality, cause whether you admit it or not, there is a wierd hatred towards gays. Surpisingly though, its mainly peer pressure and its a small group of people who dont like it, and when they find out one of their friends is gay they are suddenly ok with it.

Parents parents parents, I haven't heard a thing about what the kids think about this class. I think that they are the most important part of this equation yet THEY are being complete ignored.

Oh teh knows D:, they're going to teach our children how to be more tolerant and at peace with the world, What will we ever do!!

All kids get teased about everything and we've all experienced it at some point, but studies show that GLBT kids get harassed far more often. Anti-gay slurs are fairly commonplace and gay youth are far more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexual kids.

Any program to stop children from participating in bullying of any type should be supported.

We need to teach a balanced curriculum. In states where this is not done, there is a high level of teen pregnancy, teen STD's and teen suicides (because God forbid I am a worthless gay). In Oregon we teach a balanced curriculum and when it comes to AIDS education we don't just teach abstinence as the only solution. We teach kids about condoms and contraception. How to protect themselves form STD's but more importantly how to love themselves the way they are right now.

To the those ChristoRepulicrats, get a clue, Jesus said God judges no man, but has given all judgment to the Son. He came to save the world not to judge the world. You all are being sold a big lie that God is going to judge the earth, you people are already doing all the judging and condemning. Where is your mandate from Jesus to do what you do? Rhetorical question.

You cannot find it because it does not exist in any bible anywhere. It does however exist in the Old Testament and that is where you people are truly lost. That God is not the same God as Jesus's Father. But you blindly follow the doctrine of devils, supporting leaders who commit mass murder in the name of Jesus.

I bet he is rolling in his resurrection over the things you do to the least of these his brothers. Shame, shame on you.

It just seems to me that the reaction to homosexuality today is almost non-existent where i live that I forget there are parts of the united states that are so blinded by their faith or own personal beliefs that they feel threatend by someone because they love someone of the same sex astounds me. Love knows no gender. Just because a man is with another man or a women with another women doesn't make them any less of a person. the only difference lies in whom they decide to bed with.

Silence no more,

I agree.

Personally, I don't care to know what people do in their own bedrooms..it's their life not mine and it's their business.


I can except you as a person, without having to know something that is so very personal. That knowledge should be kept personal unless you really want say a close friend to know.

I have always felt and knowing some people who are gay and do not flaunt it,...I've always felt that most people who are gay look just as normal and act just as normal as others do.

What I can't stand is the flaunting, the disrespect of those who are not gay, the disrepsect of somoene's religion just because it doesn't approve of a certain lifestyle. In fact, Christianity does not teach hating someone who is gay but the sin and not just that sin but all sin. And even if you are straight it doesn't mean that all of us are getting married and being fulfilled in that sort of way.

Singleness with Chastity in fact is a state of being where you can make a difference far greater than if you had a wife or husband and children. But in our sex-crazed world, many don't want to admit it and far many want to make fun of it.

And as to being taught about it...well...

About a year ago in the spring there was a big "to-do" in South Jersey (I live in metro-Philly so that's how I heard)
about a school district that was teaching this...

Without talking to the parents beforehand...

Oh there was at least one meeting and probably more and it ended up on local television.

The teachers and staff had figured out...all by themselves that they should talk about it.

The parents got mad and rightfully so...
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The teachers & staff backed down and they stopped teaching that.

Personally, I feel that every child should be able to go to school in safety, not having to be worried about being picked on.

I know because I was short, had a different accent and had a different religion, and I was picked on horribly.

I firmly believe that tolerance should be taught and maintained in school period.

One other point:

I think that sometimes folks forget that kids have to live with the decision parents make. It's one thing for an adult to make a decision and live with it but it's quite different for someone to make that decison for you and you have nothing to say about it.

What's the big fucking deal... some people like cunt, some people like dick, some people like vaginal intercourse, some like anal intercourse, some like eating an ass, some like eating a pussy, some like fingering a peehole, some like fingering a butthole, some like licking titties, some like licking mantitties, etc, etc, it doesn't mean they are gay, straight, bi, or anything else, it means they have different sexual preferences. SEX IS SEX! Let's stop trying to act like sex is some great equalizer. For example, thinking that if we all like straight sex the world would be a better place, or if we accepted homosexual sex the world would be a great place.

In fact I bet if we got over the fact some guys like guys and some girls like girls, we'd then move on to some other issues of differences, such as how different gays are when it comes to driving, voting, eating, sleeping, partying, etc, etc. We'll always have qualms about people different than ourselves, so let's just admit it and try to live on the same planet.

Oh and Sephig, you must be ambiguous, because almost every "straight" guy I've ever been around may as well have made every other statements they've made around me, "I like eating/fucking pussy", because they in fact do wear their pussy eating/fucking abilities or lack thereof on their sleeves.

Oh and until recently (with the creation of Guys Gone Wild, it's started to become more equal) most of us watching TV past 10 pm would either have to change the channel (assuming we were watching one with commercials) every time there's a commercial because we have been subjected to a bombardment of "Girls Gone Wild" video promos for what seems like the past 10 years.

And as many "queens" as there are, you will find an even larger number of neanderthal like "straights" who are much more annoying for the words they spew (usually hateful bigoted, sexist, and retarded things) rather than queens for how they speak (queeny and with a lisp and about sex).

And the next time you bang a "hot" broad (though for some reason I am inclined to say that may be a while for you), I dare you to not mention it to even your best friend or anyone for that matter.

Oh and try oppression for an explanation for gays (since you lumped people who are called gay in one category) being flamboyant. Oppression is the same reason black people have such "flamboyant" personalities as well. Walking with some swagger and baggy jeans (black men) and getting their hair and nails did in some "outrageous" styles (black women).

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Of course I purposely lumped all black people into one category as you did with gays for the sake of my argument, not because I normally would.

instead of "gay-friendly" classes how about "tolerance lesson" to children, with the global population increasing year on year isn't it time we just all got along and stopped labeling each other by race, sexuality, religion or any other mind set??

Well, congrats, glad to hear homo indoctrination is progressing at a point that makes you all happy. What's the next step, a show and tell of gay sex that's required for graduation? You people are disgusting. Punishing kids for physically harming gay people is one thing, shoving acceptance down their throats (pardon the pun, I'm sure it excites many of you) is absolutely moronic.

The actual afge of the children is not clearly expressed, what about kids with autism, what about kids who have trouble with issues about sex, why should the schools force kids to learn things that parents are against? it is not right and tolerance is being used as an excuse to undermine parental rights! If the state wants to get to make all the decisions, then let them raise, and PAY for the children's everyday expenses! They want to be able to decide what goes on, they should stop kids from bullying! They could put those kids into classes about tolerance against whatever type of person they are bullying! Sexual edcuation is a subject best taught by parents, if the school has to teach something, than let them keep it clinical! I taught my kid that sexual orientation doesn't matter, and I was raised in a home that at four they put me into religious classes to teach us all that premarital sex or homosexual sex was wrong and we would all go to hell for it. BUT I knew better!! I have always embraced people of any sexual orientation as someone who I may or may not like on a case by case basis! The government is really overstepping here. If we are talking 5th graders or younger, I would be mad as hell. Parents choose to talk to talk to thier kids when and how they feel is appropriate. You use a tv show or a movie or some people you see engaging in some behavior, like two people holding hands, to discuss things like orientation. Why should the school system encroach on a parent teachign their child thier values? It is wrong. Tolerance is important but it does supercede other people's rights! If you are talking about kids older than 5th grade then the parents should have already talked to thier kids!