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Obama to say he'll expand Bush's faith-based programs

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CHICAGO — Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans that would expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — support their ability to hire and fire based on faith.

Obama was unveiling his approach to getting religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty programs during a tour and remarks today at Eastside Community Ministry in Zanesville, Ohio. The arm of Central Presbyterian Church operates a food bank, provides clothes, has a youth ministry and provides other services in its impoverished community.

"The challenges we face today, from putting people back to work to improving our schools, from saving our planet to combating HIV/AIDS to ending genocide, are simply too big for government to solve alone," Obama was to say, according to a prepared text of his remarks obtained by The Associated Press. "We need all hands on deck."

But Obama's support for letting religious charities that receive federal funding consider religion in employment decisions was likely to invite a storm of protest from those who view such faith requirements as discrimination.

David Kuo, a conservative Christian who was deputy director of Bush's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives until 2003 and later became a critic of Bush's commitment to the cause, said Obama's position has the potential to be a major "Sister Souljah moment" for his campaign.

This is a reference to Bill Clinton's accusation in his 1992 presidential campaign that the hip hop artist incited violence against whites. Because Clinton said this before a black audience, it fed into an image of him as a bold politician who was willing to take risks and refused to pander.

"It would be a very, very, very interesting thing," said Kuo, who is not an Obama adviser or supporter but was contacted by the campaign to review the new plan.

Kuo called Obama's approach smart, impressive and well thought-out but took a wait-and-see attitude about whether it would deliver.
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129 responses // Obama to say he'll expand Bush's faith-based programs

  • "Obama does not support requiring religious tests for aid recipients nor using federal money to proselytize, the official said."
  • I support Obama, but I don't support this. Can't have everything my way. I know there is a need, but I don't like that churches are involved.
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    Marilynn_Murray
  • oh how people have exceptions.
    J_Jammer
  • This is interesting.

    Obama does not believe that religion and churches are just about crusade, killings, ignorance etc.

    That is most of what I read on current.

    He knows that a caring volonteers may be more effective than a government paid employee.

    It is priceless as we saw during Katrina
    soleil10
  • this guy is a total phony!


    God bless america
    god bless big oil
    mrburns
  • "And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

    --James Madison (4th President of the United States // "Father of the Constitution" // "Father of the Bill of Rights")
  • "The number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."

    --James Madison (4th President of the United States // "Father of the Constitution" // "Father of the Bill of Rights")
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    bornfreeid
  • "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."

    --James Madison (4th President of the United States // "Father of the Constitution" // "Father of the Bill of Rights")
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    bornfreeid
  • "In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."

    --James Madison (4th President of the United States // "Father of the Constitution" // "Father of the Bill of Rights")
    recommended by  Marilynn_Murray, Vierotchka
    bornfreeid
  • I'm an Obama supporter, but this isn't something I support. However, like Marilynn said, can't have everything your way, and I don't see Obama going and putting prayer and whatnot in schools.
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    egarlow
  • All I know is that Bush showed up for the grand opening of a twenty-five million dollar church school in Dallas calling it the flagship of his Faith Based Initiative. I wrote the church asking how much government money went into building that school. I got no reply. That tells me that it was funded by us. They didn't want to admit it and couldn't bring themselves to lie. How is it that they are allowed to spend our money on things like that? While they can't spend tax money building the actual church, they can spend it on things like that over the top school. I don't like it. He was buying the minority vote with our money.
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    Marilynn_Murray
  • Prayer in schools is of no bother to me. Do you know why? Because I just won't participate. OMG how simple.

    "Show me an absurdity in Religion, [and] I will undertake to show you a hundred in Political Laws and Institutions." -- Edmund Burke (1756)
    J_Jammer
  • This, I don't like. Definitely a step in the wrong direction. Last thing we need is to be turned down for a job because we don't believe in the same God, if we believe in one to start.
    Neghie
  • The true meaning of separation of church and state is affected by Obama's plan.
    mrpibb19
  • Yea, separation of church and state..BUT, I like the reaching out to poverty....that may be the only thing they do...
    WorldPeaceTV
  • I gotta admit, this was sad to read. The more things change, the more they stay the same. They all pander! I had hoped for a leader to lead America, I'm afraid it won't matter who is elected, things will be the same. Just another panderer, doing whatever it takes to get elected.

    Our tax dollars should not go directly to religious organizations. Help make the country financially stronger and let the Christians decide where their money goes. Don't take it off the top. We need road, bridges, educations, too many things to list.

    Religion should not be 'bought and paid for' by government. Religion should come from the heart, not the purse. I think it distorts religion. Opens it up to government sponsored corruption.

    I find I can't vote for this post. I can't vote it up and I can't vote it down. I'm tired of politicians using religion as a platform for politics. So I will obstain from voting.
    Conniepae
  • Obama is no better than the rest. Just another pandering politician. Faith based initiatives funded by tax dollars are a violation of the separation of church and state. Anyone who knows the constitution or knows about what the founding fathers were about would know that. And as usual this campaign like all the rest will boil down to tthe same three talking points: gay marriage, guns, and religion. Climate crisis? What climate crisis?
    JanforGore
  • Have you ready to run a charity, a child care center, a food center for homeless, a drug rehabilitation center, an adoption center, a senior citizen home etc...etc...with your own money ?

    The money goes to people in need and often with volunterr working for free or underpaid.

    I think you need to try something like this and you may have a complete different opinion.

    Those charities have to provide a lot of reports to even get a grant.

    I agree with McCain's plan to have young people earn scholarship money by doing service
    soleil10
  • BOGUS QUOTE ALERT !!!! This is bogus

    "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."

    --James Madison (4th President of the United States // "Father of the Constitution" // "Father of the Bill of Rights")


    This is a separatist bogus quote. Dont be misled !!!!

    You can chek at:
    http://candst.tripod.com/quotpurp.htm
    soleil10
  • I agree with JanforGore in the sense that there is a lot that Obama is purposely not discussing, like the falling value of the dollar, our constitutional crisis and the Iraq war.

    Obama's willingness to pander to whatever group will get him votes and following Bush's policies that have done nothing for Americans is very revealing.
    maasanova
  • Separation of church and state means that the congress should not establish a national religion. That's all

    If you do not like religion get over it and stop trying to distort the facts.

    Madison's summary of the First Amendment:
    Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731
    soleil10
  • Hopefully this will make it clear to people that Obama is not the "savior" he's been made out to be.

    Granted, he would be better than McCain, he's still no different from the rest, and I can't see any real "change" happening if he's elected.
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    SpookyFish
  • While recognizing the need for REAL help at the grass roots level in the fight against poverty I am also morally opposed to faith-based initiatives.

    Is this an earnest policy in which it has been decided aid cannot be delivered without the help of religious programs or is this a political stratagem aimed at stemming the erroneous Obama-is-a-Muslim tide and calming the religious right at a time in which they are less than enamored with McCain?

    I'm inclined to choose the latter. However, this does little to ease my turning stomach.
    mako2424
  • This is VERY disappointing.I was really hoping Obama was really a different kind of candidate.If you want churches to help with poverty how about something along the line of making a substantial part of church related charity a tax credit instead of a deduction.in this way you use the rich's greed against them.In their rush to get the new tax break they inadvertantly help the poor.ARGH!!!
  • obama is a shitbag
    feartehbear
  • I really don't have much a problem with this. I think the hiring questions is just a small part of the proposal. The focus should be on the funding.
    BetterWatching
  • Period.
    BretByron
  • Obama will lose if he continues his path towards the middle.
    uroborus8
  • I'm a Libertarian. I no longer like Obama.
    FallenMorgan
  • I guess that means all you liberal dummycrats will have to "Change " your pics of obama in your bibles back to original pics of JESUS. LOL and you atheist are going to hell,but dont try to take us with you. Do your own homework like (Soleil 10) did and quit following the haters...in other words...
    Quit drinking the kool-aid!
    booboo_36564
  • Faith based employment is one giant leap backwards for America, which should be moving away from this kind of prejudice. Even so It is still hard to criticise Obama, as what he is doing will no doubt benfit America by giving a boost to the good work that these people do, but the way he is doing it is by pandering, plain and simple.

    Actually a very clever move on his part, as it is all to well known that no presidential candidate has a hope unless he can get religious groups on his side. Even people with strong views (admittedly the minority in the US) against this type of discrimination, will be hard pushed to say that this is wrong.
    rwylie
  • Soleil "Why don't you start a non profit, inspire and help people and ask them for money to support your good work."
    I taught woodworking for two years to special education kids as a volunteer. A class they couldn't have had if I didn't do it. We sold their stuff and they went to Great America in stretch limos. Another thing they wouldn't have had if I didn't do those classes.

    I got donations of computers for a school district that had almost none. I upgraded them with more RAM, Sound Cards, and CD Drives. I sold hot dogs and cokes to raise money for parts. I applied for grants for educational software. I placed over six hundred computers in those schools. I had one part time helper. I didn't get a dime in pay. I did it for the kids.

    I didn't need a non profit I was one. Some of us do others of us preach.
  • OBAMA: one big phoney.
    deadbolt
  • In the next few months McCain will seem to act left as will Obama act more to the right in a last minute grab for the center. That is just politics.
    pigmonkey
  • If you're putting yourself up for what is essentially the world's top job, then you've got to want it more than anything in your life, as these guys obviously do. Their true ideals go out of the window when it comes to the dirty job of winning public support: you have to pander, but that doesn't make it OK, you're just being false.

    Someone who was honest and said that he didn't believe the Bible was literally true, would be torn apart.
    rwylie