Jerusalem bulldozer 'terrorist' kills 3 in rampage

I agree that this attack is reminiscent of Israeli action in the Palestian territories. Israel deserves criticism and needs desperately to wake up to itself.

However Robroy1, I'm going to use your own IRRITATING tactic of emphasizing the points you clearly feel are important with capitals, and say that YOU ROB ROY1 are a RABID ANTI- SEMITE and are also clearly COMPLETELY MAD.

Enjoy the private hell of your own mind which you are obviously doomed to suffer in for a very long time. You mentalist.

Why did you write terrorist with a " ?

Anyone killing civilians on a national background IS a terrorist.

Or maybe only Israel could be a terrorist in your eyes?

Hey ninetyo read the above response. You think I am mental(LOL). What would you call Israel's leader and its people? After a response like this I would question who is mental for sure.

I am livid and upset by the response made by robroy1. It is a horrid situation. I think it is time to be thinking pro-solution, not "a taste of their own medicine" Shame on you for using this as a jumping point for nasty anti-semitism. People have died. Where is your humanity? Do you truly beleive you response is going to be a valuable contribution to creating peace? You are spreading hatred and I think you may be capable of being more.
Also, your statement is riddled with fallacies and is therefore just an ignorant stream of consciousness that probably only serves to make people like me livid and upset in the hope that I will attack you back and thus another argument can ensue.
I'm less upset now I've got this off my chest so I will do as you desire and respond in kind and say that,
Sooner or later the ROBROY1 will realize the situation isnt gonna just go away, its very complex, complex enough that had the answers been as obvious as stated above then peace would have been reached a long time ago. This being the case, a positive option is to try to help create open dialogue with people about solution, not discuss our own bloody histories, of which, if we look around and back far enough, there are many. People are tired of seeing the THE SITUATION escalate due to stupid angry remarks of a FUNDAMENTALIST MENTALITY. Innocent Palestinians and Israeli's are both subject to constant hatred from people who wish to claim that only one right answer exists and it involves me having all the correct answers and you not having the right to a say or the right to exist. Land, heritage and culture is what we are all desiring, not the killing of more innocent people. I wish there was more peace in the world already and I am encouraged because Peace is the highest principle of faith for ALL THE RELIGIONS i can think of. From recorded history we see that many faiths and nations have been able to COEXIST. We see this all over the world. Our only other option is to all become troubled and violent people.
What would you prefer to do?

think about this

.what if they had been your own family killed because of something their government did!!! Then I told you that it was OK he was upset. They are innocent people. This is physically sickening to me..people are so shallow mean and short sighted these days. I feel sick to read these disgusting responses. This is not the road to peace. There is a road but it is not where you are taking us.

Actually Vierotchka those maps don't properly represent the situation. The first map shows land legally owned by settlers before the conflict. The second map shows the borders drawn up by Britain and voted on AND approved by the UN. After that map was drawn the War of Independence started, where Israel, as a military force captured those lands from their attacker. The third map represents those gains. Only the fourth map proves your point. You'll be happy to now that in the Six Day War, where six nations assailed all of Israels borders, Israel captured the whole of the Sinai peninsula, but gave it back to Egypt in a still standing piece treaty. Peace can be had, all it takes is cooperation.

Nevertheless, NinthVoice, all four maps illustrate how the Palestinians have lost practically everything over the past six decades. This land grab continues and is knee-deep in Palestinian blood. No peace treaty can work if the land is not shared proportionally, i.e. if the Palestinian population represents 40% of the total population, they should have 40% of the land. Conversely, if the Israeli population represents 40% of the total population, they should have 40% of the land. Any arrangement that doesn't meet this standard will not work, and peace will not be achieved.

Peace isn't taking a bulldozer into a bus or the Kartushya rockets that get shot once a day into a city. If Canada or Mexico shot a rocket at a city in the US what response do you think would be appropriate. Historically, perhaps if homes weren't rigged to be booby trapped they wouldn't be bulldozed (the original reason).

And to the rabid anti-Semite above...everyone sees what he is, I need not comment on his bigoted absurdities.

And if I'm not mistaken, because no country wanted to take the displaced Jews after WW2, (aside from the US which has the second highest Jewish population...there was serious consideration of using Alaska instead of Israel for a homeland) there was a mandate for the creation of Israel on that land. Take it up with the UN.

Later there was the 6 Day War and the land was given back after Israel won.

Israel collects millions in taxes to give to the Palestinian Govt., most Palestinians work in Israel (when the checkpoints went up, the 'man on the street' response was that it was a hassle for him to get work). And Hamas, a terrorist organization, that is now running the show I believe just recently agreed a State and its people have a right to exist. How...noblese oblige of them. The Israelis have been fighting to not be killed each day with one wish...honor the UN Charter and leave us be (it's not like Muslim lands are far off--Jordan, Egypt, etc.,).

Peace comes in many forms...some are called freedom and others tyranny, I prefer the former to the latter. But according to some in this thread it is apparent that it's okay to kill Jews. Peace isn't achieved when that concept (not a new one) continues, especially by blaming the victim. That's like a rapist pleading "your honor, look where she was, how she was dressed...she was asking for it." I doubt any sane person would argue for disgusting rapist logic.

If you are referring to me as a "rabid antisemite", you couldn't be further from the truth - through the matrilineal line, I am a Jew. Many members of my mother's family on her mother's side died in Hitler's camps, my mother was a translator and interpreter at the Nuremberg trials. Like vast numbers of other Jews, I am an anti-Sionist, this doesn't make me an anti-Semate nor a self-hating Jew, either. As I stated in posts above, I am also outraged by the double standards which most people display - when Israelis do this to Palestinians on a daily basis, it is okay, but when a Palestinian cracks and does it to Israelis, it is a huge scandal.

Also when an Israeli "cracks" he is tried or shot before others are harmed. There is a difference between what the military and the citizenry do. There's what...136 different politcal parties for their Knesset. Difference of opinion, expressed as you do is the most a person could want: proper argument--logical. But when rockets are fired into Israeli cities every single day, would that not be a double standard (even during cease-fires)? If an Israeli citizen did something like that I would condemn him as well by the way. However, military operations by any side of any kind, are a far cry in discussion from someone either as an agent of the Palestinian Gov't. or someone who "cracks" and harms people on a bus.

As for being anti-Zionist...if there were no Zionists, then who woiuld be living in Insrael? ;-)

As for my family, they escaped the Pogroms in Russia. Some didn't. But as a general statement, ethnicity shouldn't come into argument, a statement should stand divorced from its maker. You're not. It's just a general statement, one to which I hope you'll agree with.

I am insulted that we use the term "terrorist" when describing a cold blooded killer of innocent civilians. The KKK in the Southern U.S. developed out of the same mentality applied by the terrorists of this World. Let's call them what they are. Cold blooded killers of innocent men, women, and children, hiding behind masks and proclaiming that they serve at the will of God! They have done more harm to their "cause", than can be imagined. Murder and mayhem defines their cause. Shame on all murderers of the innocent children, Jews and Muslims, God/Allah, must weep for your sins.

That is a ridiculous video. Very saddening.

Practically all of the people commenting here are fucking ridiculous. Just chill out, okay?

I'll give you a little piece of reality. I'm about to fly to Israel in three weeks to catch up with my family, and this makes me more than a little nervous.

I'm not sure what the point of saying that was, but I feel like a lot of you need some perspective. This is not the time to bring up conspiracy theories and "taste of their own medicine" accusations. Some innocent people died and got injured. It's tragic and scary. Can we end it at that? The war of words between the lot of you just never. fucking. ends. What's the point? What exactly are you achieving?

I think the problem is that many of you guys on here can't have a ADULT conversation about the issues because it becomes personal.

Let me just say this so that Im not classified as a Anti-Semitic........I respect all religions and beliefs. However, I believe that the world is experiencing the problems that were started during the first World Wars. There has been alot of land, just like Isreal that has been divided and redistrubuted. In almost every case there has been some type of civil war or fighting amongst the people. Isreal isn't excluded from the discussion. They have done some things that haven't been supported by the U.N. and many Americans. (that are Jewish) So getting emotional is expected but it steers us away from the issue at hand.

If the land originaly belonged to the Jews and we helped give it back to them who will help the AMERICAN INDIANS GET THEIR LAND BACK?

Just like the late George Carlin said ITS ALL BULLSHIT!

It's shame this came during a time of peace. Lets hope this does not escalate into larger conflicts.

Israel have buldozed the houses of convicted 'terorists' for at least 2 decades, if they cant safely get a bulldozer in and out they'll use attack helicopters at night

As I said previously I would love to see peace there and in the entire world right now. Period. The only problem is the Jews have not lived in peace with thier neighbors for centuries. Maybe they will change one day, and I hope they do, but i would not hold my breath.

Muslims Against Sharia unequivocally condemn murderous attack in Jerusalem.

We call for swift extermination of all terrorist groups that claimed responsibility for this attack.

We implore Israeli government not to provide financial help for the family of the murderer. Any such help will be an open invitation for future attacks.

<a href=" http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/07/terror...

The Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:
“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.
This declaration by a true "Palestinian" should have some significance for a sincerely neutral observer. Indeed, there is no such a thing like a Palestinian people, or a Palestinian culture, or a Palestinian language, or a Palestinian history. There has never been any Palestinian state, neither any Palestinian archaeological find nor coinage. The present-day "Palestinians" are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history. They have their own Arab states from where they came into the Land of Israel about one century ago to contrast the Jewish immigration. That is the historical truth. They were Jordanians (another recent British invention, as there has never been any people known as "Jordanians"), and after the Six-Day War in which Israel utterly defeated the coalition of nine Arab states and took legitimate possession of Judea and Samaria, the Arab dwellers in those regions underwent a kind of anthropological miracle and discovered that they were Palestinians - something they did not know the day before. Of course, these people having a new identity had to build themselves a history, namely, had to steal some others' history, and the only way that the victims of the theft would not complain is if those victims do no longer exist. Therefore, the Palestinian leaders claimed two contradictory lineages from ancient peoples that inhabited in the Land of Israel: the Canaanites and the Philistines.

An Arab writer and journalist declared:
"There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough".
- Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East" -
Let us hear what other Arabs have said:
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:
"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".
The preceding declarations by Arab politicians have been done before 1967, as they had not the slightest knowledge of the existence of any Palestinian people. How and when did they change their mind and decided that such people existed? When the State of Israel was reborn in 1948 c.e., the "Palestinians" did not exist yet, the Arabs had still not discovered that "ancient" people. They were too busy with the purpose of annihilating the new Sovereign State and did not intend to create any Palestinian entity, but only to distribute the land among the already existing Arab states. They were defeated. They attempted again to destroy Israel in 1967, and were humiliated in only six days, in which they lost the lands that they had usurped in 1948. In those 19 years of Arab occupation of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip, neither Jordan nor Egypt suggested to create a "Palestinian" state, since the still non-existing Palestinians would have never claimed their alleged right to have their own state... Paradoxically, during the British Mandate, it was not any Arab group but the Jews that were known as "Palestinians"!
What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War:
"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

"As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants".
- Walid Shoebat, an "ex-Palestinian" Arab -