Stop the Bush/McCain oil disaster

Please sign this, help stop the destruction.

California won't allow drilling! But Texas and Florida might.

Let me guess, mrburns redlighted?

Fossil fuels poison water, earth, air and people.

Green energy is the only sustainable solution.

signed and passed on to everyone i know!!

Wonder how much Exxon paid for that article...

The point is NOT to quibble over the oil prices. It's to STOP USING OIL altogether.

http://ga3.org/campaign/drilling/8b6gi8x427e5ibmj?

http://ucsaction.org/campaign/07_03_08_ethanol?rk=dpx5t...

America should go for the cleanest, cheapest source of energy. We have solar, we have hydrogen, we have electric. A vehicle should start on electricity and go on hydrogen and solar all the way. Any other form of energy it is just going back to the same greed issue happening Today where they juggle with the prices in any way they want. The key for building a strong economy that benefits everybody is to get rid of speculators and their policies.

The fact that it will take ten years to bring the oil online is enough of a reason not to drill for me.Because in ten years the price of oil will be around $300 to$400 a barrel because by then the Chinese and Indian economies will be even closer to full capacity hence greater demand and ten more years less world supply.The few million barrels a day that we contribute would therefore be meaningless.It's just common sense.

Consider that once these gung ho elitist legislators get their sights set on something that is this important to them, they will not let it go until they get what they want, complete control over the world's resources... So, we have to fight that much harder to get what 'we the people' want...less lies, more accountability...

When are we going to have legislators that are good states persons, ones that we don't have to fight for our right of representation...

STOP BUSH :: PERIOD

plusaf, that was a good post about the chinese, though, I don't see it here...who said anything about not liking the 'free market' principle...you're not reading someone's thoughts that I can't see, are you..? I believe we must have free market enterprise, just not corporate welfare. Keep the playing field level. The small entrepreneur has no chance if the big guys get all the breaks and I'm one of the little guys...

And to explain why the cost of oil has quadrupled for dollars and only doubled for euros is obvious...the euro is worth twice what the dollar is...while the dollar has gone down in value, the euro has gone up...so, basically it's still the same price for both...

I agree, though, plusaf, you may be invested in oil, the use of oil should and will be diminished due to the pollution factor as much as the cost factor...if not more so...

Oh no. Isn't it better to drill in our wildlife refuges(Amber: no, probably not)? I mean, c'mon, it might mean the extiction of animals (Amber: yeah, probably), but fuck that. I mean, c'mon, we'll reduce the price of gas. Right? (Amber: probably not) I mean, we'll reduce our dependence on oil from the Middle East. Right? (Amber: probably not) I mean ... (in my best and very annoying GWB voice) It's the right thing to do, right?

Yeah, it's the right thing to do, the right-wing thing to do. I've called Bush an ass for nearly a decade. I'm really *REALLY* refraining from using a word that begins with ass and ends with something sounding very similar to 'innate.'

I'm sure to be wiretapped fer that.

Meh.

In the words of Rodney Carrington: "Bring it on motherfucker."

PetroSun is producing biodiesel right now in Rio Hondo TX, from salt water algae. They are producing 4.4 million gallons per year of biodiesel that replaces the need for petroleum diesel(accounting for production, transportation costs 1/2 way around the world from the arctic or middle east and refining costs) at the rate of 1 gallon biodiesel replaces 2.3 gallons petroleum oil.(using figures published by the US Energy Information Agency)

Biodiesel contains no sulpher, and higher OH ratios in plant oils mean less NOx emissions.
Nobody eats saltwater algae---well, almost nobody, fish and shimp can.
It does best grown in desert areas where heat and abundant sunlight cause it to grow many times faster than in it's natural habitat, the ocean. Holding ponds in the desert do not compete with food crops for land use. It is cheap to produce.
Biofuels(biodiesel and ethanol) are a sure thing. We know what we put in, we know what we get out. Unlike oil drilling, even when you are reasonably sure there is an oil bearing formation, the only way to find out for sure is to drill---maybe you hit a commercially viable pool, maybe not. Only about one in five drillings produce commercially viable operating wells, on land OR at sea. Drilling offshore is incredibly expensive. Rangeline Fuels currently has a 100 million gallon per year plant in Soperton GA under construction to produce ethanol from logging and mill work wood waste. This uses the Fischer-Tropsch process, the same process used by the Germans in WW2 to produce alcohol fuel after losing oil supplies to the Allies in North Africa and the bombing of Ploesti.
Alcohol powered everything from Panzer tanks to Me 262 jet fighters, V1 and V2 rockets.
B-100 can be used directly in any diesel engine with no modification needed---diesel engines were originally designed by Rudolph Diesel to burn vegetable based oils. B-100 cleans better with less sludge and deposits, lubricates internal engine parts, and burns cleaner than petroleum. The same is true of ethanol fuels.
Biofuels produce CO2 when burned. However, since the plants that they are produced from first took the CO2 out of the atmospere(instead of digging or pumping carbon out of the ground) they do not contribute to greenhouse gas. Net CO2 gain from biofuels = 0.
The Soperton GA ethanol plant is being built at a cost of $385 million to produce 100 million/gallons/year. Per gallon, less than the current cost of petroleum gasoline at the pump. Pay back in less tha two years(at current wholesale ethanol price around $2.60/gallon)---how is THAT for ROI? It would be possible to build 4-6 ethanol plants like Soperton for the cost of only ONE offshore drilling rig, with only a 1:5 average chance of producing oil. There has never ever been a single oil well that produces anything even close to 4.4 million gallons per year---that equals over 110,000 barrels.
Flex Fuel vehicles that use E-85 are being built right now and have been for the last 20 years. FF vehicles generally cost the same as conventional gas vehicles. There are about 8 million Flex Fuel vehicles on the road right now.
Brazil gets about 80% of its transportation fuel needs from ethanol produced from sugar cane grown on just 2% of available farmland. Since switching to ethanol biofuel, Brazil has gone from oil importing to oil exporting nation. It has gone from bankruptcy, riots, and communist revolution to the 8th largest economy, and the Real is one of the most stable currencies in the world.

Biofuels are natural substances that will biodegrade or evaporate in the environment with no permanent biological damage. Ethanol fires can be doused with water to dilute it till it no longer supports combustion, not true of gasoline, high pressure water only spreads an oil fire. Oil fouled beachs in California, Alaska and other places are STILL a problem after all these years of drilling bans and time lapsed since Exxon Valdez.

Biofuels cost about 25 to 50% less to use than petroleum based products right now, and should get even cheaper as more production and more widely available distribution comes online.


Biofuels use completely current technology and infrastructure. And they have been around over 100 years, there is nothing new, unperfected or untried about biofuels. They do everything and anything that petroleum crude does, they do it better, and they require no further refining once we produce them. Even if we do get more oil by drilling, it still needs to be refined.

Oil is running out. No matter where you drill, or how much you discover, it is still going to run out eventually. Biofuels are renewable. If we run low or need more---we simply grow more. Forever.

(sorry, had to make two posts to get it all in)