The ancient scripts that predate - and might rewrite - the Bible

This planet is very similar to an onion.....just like an onion grows and forms layers....so does Earth......all of the mysteries and grand works...such as the pyramids....are only on the surface.....many different times Earth has contained civilizations far surpassing the point we are at today......catastrophic occurences along with an inherent ability to not get along....mostly due to fear......has caused Mankind to have an elevator or yo-yo time here on Earth....acheiving grand things....then falling back to a cave man status.....there have always been Universal Truths......Mohammed.....Jesus......probably one of your uncles or aunts.....my Father.....most native people......picked them up in thought......sometimes they were recorded in language of the time.....it is always the same.....beautiful and true.....mostly the Golden Rule.....and be truthful......drop the ego.....it will only anchor you down.......Golden Ruler.....Johnnie Hargrave....

Hopefully the outcome is something like this:

"Oh, you mean we aren't supposed to have slaves, be racist, hate gays, or fight and kill in war?" "Oh, OK".

Hopefully...

Angels don't write.

Or exist. It's probably a fake.

Clever in an anti-clever kind of way.

Who cares? It's all BS anyway. Believe in yourself and you don't need and imaginary friend to watch over you and "tell" you what to do.

It totally amazes me to see people argue on this forum over semantics......all religious or tribal stories world wide through written or verbal form are basically the same.....whether it is the native American Indians....stories of the flood..or the evil and good twins..... or the writings of the Bible...stories of the flood...stories of Jesus.....and yes..if you predict something....you have started the first step toward creating it.....the main thing that has stopped man from advancing has been an inability to communicate and understand peoples from different parts of this planet......it seems to be growing worse all the time.......Golden Ruler....Johnnie Hargrave

More mumbo-jumbo. Religion is dying, this is hoax to bring more "believers".

Dmitri.....I usually do not respond to negativity.....but feel that this is an exception....I always sign off...Golden Ruler...I never try to hurt any one or anything intentionally...I use elipses...or periods....to try and get people to notice...and read what I have taken time out of my life to place before others that might in some way enjoy it.....I do not want to annoy you or anyone else....if it is something you do not like that is fine....no one is forcing you to do anything.....just please try not to be a negative force.....there are plenty to go around and it gets you no where....batteries need a positive and a negative to function.........humans do not.......Golden Ruler....Johnnie Hargrave............................................

Even if this proved Christianity was false, it seems to me that it could easily just be made 'gnostic' right, thereby conveniently avoiding any contradictions.

two or three times a year someone comes up with another item that will suposedly end Christianity and every single one of them serve their purpose: to make the perpetrator buckets of money. The joke is on the fools that buy into such things because God lives and he ain't going anywhere and niether is his church or his sacred word: sorry!

you sure are...

the "jews for jesus" are propagating this story - it's part of their agenda to make even more gullible x-ans pro-zionists .

All ancient texts are nothing more than stories. Like a game of telephone, things get changed and interpreted different. I look at all religious text as nothing more than metaphors for life and the happenings of that era. We shouldn't take them literally. I don't believe everything im told and i definitely don't believe all i read. Just as people wont pay mind to my comment here.

Another chapter in the story book called the old testament probably. Jesus was Jesus believe what you want.

The first king of Iraq was also found floating in a basket in the river and became the leader of his people, sound familiar. the egyptian book of the dead has the ten commandments in it, sound familiar. There are many storybooks but there are only twelve apostles who martyered themselves for Jesus Christ. Makes me think there was something there or maybe not. I beleive Jesus was here once weather he was God everyone must decide for themselves like Moses or Allah or any other God.

The bible is a manipulated document to support someone's agenda. I don't believe any of the ancient texts are infallible, but I don't discount them entirely either. I allow the Spirit to guide me in my understanding of anything I read.

If I don't like what somebody says, I skip em, pass em by, forget em. But if I find what someone says to be insulting, intentionally irritating, or hateful, I more than likely will speak up.

We don't need any intermediaries to speak to god for us or to represent us in a government of god. Each and every one of us my take response ability for what we say, do, and think; what we are. It seems to me that religion is a convenient way to avoid taking response ability and going through the pain of reckoning.

I am not talking about punishment, god knows we do plenty of that to ourselves in the here in now. I am talking about the pain that one goes through when they realize that everything that they ever held sacred and dear was all a big fat lie. That is the day of reckoning I am talking about.

Those who have already gone through a stripping away of delusion of illusion will not go through this pain when the mystery of god is revealed in its fullness.

Good discussion again folks.
( IMO )

I wonder, does anyone know - Koran/Q'uaran, are there as many different versions in print as there are different versions of the bible?
There must be, right?

The english language bible versions include but are not limited to...

King James (KJV)

New King James (NKJV)

English Standard (ESV)

New American Standard NASB)

Revised Standard (RSV)

New Revised Standard (NRSV)

Updated NASB

Amplified Bible

New American Bible

New International (NIV)

New English Bible

Good News Bible

Phillips Modern English

Living Bible (LB)

New Living Bible (NLT)

Jerusalem Bible

Modern Language

Contemporary English (CEV, "The Promise")

Today's English

Worldwide English

"The Message"

And then of course these are English versions of Latin versions which were copies of Greek versions of older Latin translations of Aramaic copies of stories someone heard in Hebrew...

Bits of facts get twisted around like... like the Essenes, the tribe of Jesus, referred to a woman as a virgin until one of her children survived past the age of twelve years.
There should be a footnote about that.
* See virgin, not really a.'

Using a bible as a reference source for biblical studies is like letting the federal government investigate itself.

Police can't get four eye witnesses to agree to what they just saw five minutes ago.
I have watched test videos with a dozen other people that could not agree on what the three minute video was we just saw.

High school history books tell us Ronald Reagan was a great president.
After enough time people will believe it because that's what the book says.


And then... The Chicago Tribune has reported that the Reverened Sun Myung Moon controls the U.S. sushi industry. He does business with Kim Jong-Il. And he now officially considers himself Emperor of the Universe, claiming the imagined endorsements of dead U.S. presidents.
He's been honored by the US senate and has the ranch next to GWB's "
Five hundred U.S. troops arrived in Paraguay with planes, weapons, and ammunition in July 2005, shortly after the Paraguayan Senate granted U.S. troops immunity from national and International Criminal Court (ICC) jurisdiction."

But I digress . . .

It's actually all just a parody of sun worship and astrology. That's why they are all so similar. Christianity is just the most recent installment of the same story based on the sun and stars.

No, this won't change anything. Christianity doesn't work like that.
There are around 38,000 (yup) denominations of Christianity. That's 38,000 different interpretations of the bible. You can find whatever evidence that changes the original scripture, but Christian leaders will interpret it to mean whatever they see fit. And people will follow them.

Can't believe the amount of nonsense this post is generating... I thought Current's community was cleverer than this...

I wrote a poem about something like this...:


Two milleniums from the alleged birth of faith
in one man who could teach what man can create,
followers did little more than congregate
and cling to the words that they could take.
One book, wise words, led armies and love
to bleed and and to pray there was something above
the tragedies on the earth that forced them to shove
eachother apart for what they were made of.
Some were built of prophets on mountains,
others on messiahs that still weren't counted.
But soon faith would force one man to have shouted,
"why can't the godless drink from our fountain?!"
Naturally, the faithful dencounced him and said,
"man did not teach himself to make bread.
our father made our world, our home, our bed,
and promised to see us when we are dead."
Absurd as it sounded, he could not fight faith,
for logic had lost itself in the waves
of the histories no historian could save.
The world turned to god when man felt depraved.

But one day a child raised himself to become
the product of the people he loved.
He, too, had faith, but not like the others.
He didn't use blood to find his brothers.
Man, he soon saw, was divine as reality
and he abandoned the curse of superficiality.
Curiosity and love was all he needed.
Embracing his species was what had defeated
the ages of myths that confused and kept
mankind from embracing the time they had left.
Wars became myths themselves over time
and historians would struggle to ever find
why mankind chose a lie and a single book
when they had their entire lives to look
at the earth and themselves before they deceased.
When faith fell upon man, and the world found peace.

Listen, I can read Ancient Hebrew and that parchment actually says that Tom Cruise is an alien.

its to bad the people deciphering them are the same people that have no problem by fore-filling apocalyptic prophecies like rebuilding king solomans temple. its debatable who should have free access, but it should be deciphered in a public forum with all concerned religiously present. including representatives of the Muslim faith, in any case whats more disturbing is they found it in a cave when other nations have owned those regions for at least a thousand years before them.

The Bibles have always raised controversy. Religion is a very private as well as controversial topic that all people at one time or another in thier life has asked themselves questions about. Everyone has thier own opinion of what faith and religion is even a non beleiver has had to ask thier sef questions at one time or another. That is what religion is. Believe or disbelieve, it is anyone's choice and should be seperate from the government and plitics as well for sure. I personally believe in God and Spirit of some sort, but I don't put much credence in Organized Religion.

I wonder what would be needed to happen for diehard Christians to actually acknowledge their bible was false. Something linking Christianity to an older Egyptian faith or something like that.

I wonder if that type of information would actually become public.

This is also a prime example of how religious themes are so often borrowed from earlier texts.

Setting aside the fact that it is physically impossible, this earlier ressurection tale, which I am sure most christians would denounce, shows that there is nothing special about their particular myth.

http://books.google.com/books?id=M0Nn_n6AAH8C&pg=PA187&sig=ACfU3U1LWzoEuneAn5ka3Sq4CYtAMg7pVQ&source=gbs_quotes&vq=%22him,+and+took+the+reed,+and+smote+him+on+the+head.+And+after+that+they+had+mocked+him,+they+took%22#PPA188,M1

There is an instant when we are told something new like...the earth is round, that a certain part of our brain says 'no, that can't be true'. We have all seen this in our life time with the level of life the ocean floor supports. In the 80's all of science held that the ocean floor was barren. Then oops! Basically, it is bigger than our fragile little easily-fooled mind. Get over yourselves people. Remember when the plagues on Egypt was just a story. Now the Discovery channel is trying to tell us how it happened!? C'mon people. Are you open minded???