Suicide barrier on Golden Gate would cost $50 million
- added July 8, 2008
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- meligrosa
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Asides the documentary, The Bridge what do you think about this proposal?
The estimate financial quantity changes constantly (increases) every time this is brought up.
For us, SF-Marin residents this is frequently a diminutive (or often not even mentioned) of the news as it is terribly sad to envision the tragic events.
(About 20 people jump from the span every year, according to the district. But last year 38 people jumped; 10 people had jumped through May 30 this year, according to the district. More than 1,300 people have jumped to their deaths since the bridge opened in 1937.)
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I think that if they go ahead and do this one, then in the near future they will have to do something about the new Bay Bridge (connecting San Francisco-Eastbay/Oakland) which is to open in a few years with a pedestrian area.
-------- via Marin Independent Journal (more images of the proposal) --------
ERECTING a suicide barrier on the Golden Gate Bridge could cost as much as $50 million, according to an environmental assessment released Monday by the Golden Gate Bridge District.
"The cost is astronomical," said Marin Supervisor Hal Brown, a member of the bridge district's Board of Directors. "I'm all for some type of barrier, but where we get that kind of money I have no idea. Maybe through grants."
Initial estimates had pegged construction of a barrier at $15 million to $25 million.
The report also details several design options under consideration, including:
- Adding an 8-foot vertical fencing system to the existing 4-foot-tall hand rail, for a total height of 12 feet.
- Adding an 8-foot-tall horizontal fencing system to the 4-foot-tall hand rail with a "winglet" or panel on top, totaling 12 feet in height. Ê
- Replacing the 4-foot-tall hand rail with a 12-foot-tall vertical fence.
- Replacing the 4-foot-tall handrail with a 10-foot-tall horizontal fence with a winglet on top, for a total height of 10 feet. Ê
- Adding a horizontal net system 20 feet below the sidewalk that extends 20 feet from the bridge.
The netting system is the least expensive option at $25 million, while all other options would cost $40 million to $50 million.
The document said the visual impact of the netting would be minimal, except when viewed from Vista Point on the northeast side of the span - where it would be considered an "adverse" impact.
The other fencing options would be considered of "minimal" visual impact away from the span except at Vista Point, but the view from on the bridge would be considered "adverse" or "strongly adverse."
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About 20 people jump from the span every year, according to the district. But last year 38 people jumped; 10 people had jumped through May 30 this year, according to the district. More than 1,300 people have jumped to their deaths since the bridge opened in 1937.
Discussion of a barrier began in the 1950s. Before the most recent initiative to erect a barrier, the issue was considered in 1999, when a 100-foot prototype fence was unveiled. But officials determined the design was not foolproof and was a bad fit, and it was abandoned.
The issue got national attention when filmmaker Eric Steel revealed he spent all of 2004 filming people leaping from the span for a documentary titled "The Bridge."
The estimate financial quantity changes constantly (increases) every time this is brought up.
For us, SF-Marin residents this is frequently a diminutive (or often not even mentioned) of the news as it is terribly sad to envision the tragic events.
(About 20 people jump from the span every year, according to the district. But last year 38 people jumped; 10 people had jumped through May 30 this year, according to the district. More than 1,300 people have jumped to their deaths since the bridge opened in 1937.)
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I think that if they go ahead and do this one, then in the near future they will have to do something about the new Bay Bridge (connecting San Francisco-Eastbay/Oakland) which is to open in a few years with a pedestrian area.
-------- via Marin Independent Journal (more images of the proposal) --------
ERECTING a suicide barrier on the Golden Gate Bridge could cost as much as $50 million, according to an environmental assessment released Monday by the Golden Gate Bridge District.
"The cost is astronomical," said Marin Supervisor Hal Brown, a member of the bridge district's Board of Directors. "I'm all for some type of barrier, but where we get that kind of money I have no idea. Maybe through grants."
Initial estimates had pegged construction of a barrier at $15 million to $25 million.
The report also details several design options under consideration, including:
- Adding an 8-foot vertical fencing system to the existing 4-foot-tall hand rail, for a total height of 12 feet.
- Adding an 8-foot-tall horizontal fencing system to the 4-foot-tall hand rail with a "winglet" or panel on top, totaling 12 feet in height. Ê
- Replacing the 4-foot-tall hand rail with a 12-foot-tall vertical fence.
- Replacing the 4-foot-tall handrail with a 10-foot-tall horizontal fence with a winglet on top, for a total height of 10 feet. Ê
- Adding a horizontal net system 20 feet below the sidewalk that extends 20 feet from the bridge.
The netting system is the least expensive option at $25 million, while all other options would cost $40 million to $50 million.
The document said the visual impact of the netting would be minimal, except when viewed from Vista Point on the northeast side of the span - where it would be considered an "adverse" impact.
The other fencing options would be considered of "minimal" visual impact away from the span except at Vista Point, but the view from on the bridge would be considered "adverse" or "strongly adverse."
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About 20 people jump from the span every year, according to the district. But last year 38 people jumped; 10 people had jumped through May 30 this year, according to the district. More than 1,300 people have jumped to their deaths since the bridge opened in 1937.
Discussion of a barrier began in the 1950s. Before the most recent initiative to erect a barrier, the issue was considered in 1999, when a 100-foot prototype fence was unveiled. But officials determined the design was not foolproof and was a bad fit, and it was abandoned.
The issue got national attention when filmmaker Eric Steel revealed he spent all of 2004 filming people leaping from the span for a documentary titled "The Bridge."
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We need to find out why people are committing suicide in the USA instead of spending money on a barrier to stop it...we could fund the studies on depression and nutrition or depression and suicide caused by pharmaceutical drugs. This does not happen like this in other countries..I believe in getting to the root cause of problems..
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Thanks for the correction I will look at it SF.
Glad you agree with me mac-
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- CarolynGillis
- 1 month ago
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this is a good discussion
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further information (to get involved, learn more, pro/con) has just been posted in the SF Chronicle today (web) -
Yes it is a good discussion you are right meligrosa
A little chat with your neighbors across the country to find out about an issue, without fear of your head being bitten off...or people selling you things you don't need.
so un-Murdoch like.-
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- CarolynGillis
- 1 month ago
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At the risk of being demonised... who cares, people who commit suicide are looking for either a) attention, or b) an easy out. 50 million in tax dollars should not be spent on trying to figure out why people are committing suicide, nor should it be spent on a barrier. In fact, when a person commits suicide in public place, the government should assess the charge for clean up and removal to said persons estate.
I am not trying to assert that people are expendable, but enough liberal-hippy lets coddle the baby and talk about your feelings bs. -
this will be disappointing news to people who plan to commit suicide in the moderately near future.
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- stephenthomson
- 1 month ago
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If they can't jump from the Golden Gate, they will jump from somewhere else.
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Don't put a stupid suicide barrier on the bridge!
When you talk about the numbers, it just wouldn't make sense. $50 million to save an average of 20 people a year, who are probably going to find some other way to off themselves. Way more people die from cars, guns, disease, etc.. Put my tax money into a program that will actually save help people.
Some idiot politician just wants a suicide barrier on their resume.
Plus it would block the view.-
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- flyingkick
- 1 month ago
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And guess who pays for that $50 Million, US. Let people get eaten by sharks if they want. The Golden Gate is beautiful just the way it is.
Also... how much extra paint per year do we have to pay for to paint this sexy new railing.-
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- huffamoose2k
- 1 month ago
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I recognise the need for it but I don't think it will stop people from commiting suicide on the bridge.People will do anything just to take their own lives it seems nowadays.So the barrier would not stop it.Thanks Meligrosa as always.
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The following is a NYT article. It shows how little barriers actually cause lower suicide rates. Especially from heat of the moment suicides. Its science and NO...Most people WILL NOT jump off somewhere else nor go on the kill themselves in another way...
I totally would have siad. Eff spending money on it before reading this article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.... -
I'm not an advocate for suicide, but I do think it's none of our freaking business and tax payers should not be subject to involvement through funding this project.
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If someone wants to end their own personal life, why shouldn't they have that right? Wasting $50 mil isn't going to keep people from killing themselves, they'll just find another way.
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We have more pressing concerns for people who actually want to live and and thrive on Earth. Why dont we pump our 50 million into renewable energy for fuck's sake.
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- stephenthomson
- 1 month ago
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If they want to die they will find a bridge to jump from.
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- shroomfairy
- 1 month ago
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suicide is a right . my only problem with anyone doing it off the GGB , or any other public access site, is the cost recovering their bodies incurs , which , of course , taxpayers pick up . if you wanna commit suicide do it at home .
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i say let 'em die...
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- jade_azul16
- 1 month ago
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suicide is obviously a complex issue and, for whatever reason, the golden gate bridge apparently seems to attract certain suicidal individuals; however, i personally fail to see the point in constructing a protective barrier, not least because, like others have pointed out, it isn't likely to solve the problem. unfortunately, those determined to take their own lives will find another way to succeed in doing so.
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- orangeseverywhere
- 1 month ago
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Not to sound callous, but in 71 years, that is an average of 18 people a year. $50 million for 18 people a year?
If this is really about saving lives, how about the $50,000,000 goes to programs to educate and train people to get off welfare and the streets.
What is the reward for that? Less disease, hunger, and crime.
I have a better idea. Give me the $50,000,000 and I will do this job single handedly and dedicate the rest of my life to this work.-
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- bornfreeid
- 1 month ago
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in principle, if they did this, they'd have to put a barrier on any structure over two stories high...
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Absolutely moronic, STOP PREVENTING THE WEAKEST MINDS IN SOCIETY FROM WEEDING THEMSELVES OUT. Hell spend 1 million and install some diving boards, hangmans nooses, and spike covered rafts at the bottom of the drop. If people are dumb enough to off themselves so be it, GTFO of their way please.
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- Liberal_Extinction
- 1 month ago
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if people want to commit suicide, they are going to. if you put a barrier up there, they're just going to find someplace else to jump. waste of money in my opinion.
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California and San Francisco are reducing payments to schools because of huge budget deficits. State/city funded mental health programs have been hit very hard as well. Why is this project even being considered?
I wonder how much money has been spent on the "environmental impact" and engineering reports for the project already.-
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- Rainfall_Media
- 1 month ago
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We shouldn't even consider spending this much money on a project like this until other areas which are much more important are taken care of.
And on a unpersonal level, if people want to jump off a really high bridge, then let them. =P-
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- thisisonelongname
- 1 month ago
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How much is a 2nd chance worth?
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Unfortunetly a blockade to prevent suicide here would only lead to one having to relocate. Someone that ill and that determined is going to get it done regardless of the accessibility of a bridge.
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Jumping off a bridge isn't the only way of committing suicide. If a person is determined enough to end their life, the largest bridge barrier in the world wouldn't be able to stop them. Therefore, 50 million in tax payers money should go to something that will benefit the general public, not to a barrier that will most likely serve no purpose.
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- Le_Bambi_Noir
- 1 month ago
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LOL liberals wasting money on something as stupid as a suicide wall.
Nothing here new people move along
These people are killing themselves because they live in SF.
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I feel that it is tragic that this many people have chosen to end their lives on this landmark, but to be honest? 20 Million people have died in the last century from automobile related collisions, by looking at those statistics shouldn't there be a lot of talk about how we can end the use of cars?
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- allgoode21
- 1 month ago
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who supports the barrier? I'm going to go to their house and put a barrier around it so their stupid ideas don't jump out.
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- shadowtrekker
- 1 month ago
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Barrier,schmarrier!Let 'em jump. .At least theres usually little or no cleanup associated with these suicides.And that translates to less taxpayer dollars spent per incident.THAT,they can understand.
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- squilla1123
- 1 month ago
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San Fran should fill the San Francisco Bay with Jello...then the homeless have food.
TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE!
I have to agree with clayjj05....well not the living in SF, that would rock, but suicides do occur frequently. It's a horrible thing but it happens. It's up to SF residents to decide on this barrier... -
Is it just me, or does anybody else find some guy filming suicides without doing anything to help just a little bit morbid?
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http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20031208.html - says it all really.
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Waste of money. Use it to save the lives of people who WANT to be saved!
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- PoisonTheMonkey
- 1 month ago
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lattee - i thought the same. but the man who filmed the bridge reportedly notified the bridge patrol whenever he was present with a handheld camera and the individual appeared to be attempting or thinking about jumping. he said that the problem was that if he called patrol for every person who stood next to the barrier and looked lonely he'd be calling hundreds of times a day. often, he was taken by surprise. other times, jumpers were seen from stationary cameras that were always there.
