Senate passes no-warrant wiretapping bill. Kiss your rights good bye
- added July 10, 2008
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The Senate Wednesday approved a bill to put new rules in place for intelligence agency eavesdropping on suspected terrorists.
Communication technologies like mobile phones have made the 1978 FISA bill out of date, supporters say.
The bill also effectively protects telephone companies from being sued for cooperating with a government surveillance program launched in the wake of the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. The White House pushed hard for the provision, with a threat to veto the bill if it did not contain protection for phone companies.
The vote was 69-28, with Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois voting in favor. Republican candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona was not present for the vote.
President Bush said Wednesday afternoon he will sign the bill, calling it "vital" and "long overdue." Watch Bush praise the new FISA bill ยป
The bill, formally known as the FISA Amendments Act, updates the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It will:
Require the secret court set up to oversee FISA to review the surveillance of any targeted American whether the person is in the United States or abroad;
Provide for the FISA court to sign off on procedures for removing the name of any American inadvertently captured in a communication with a foreign target;
Prohibit reverse targeting, which is when intelligence officials eavesdrop on a foreigner's communications overseas as a means to spy on someone in the United States.
Close a loophole by explicitly establishing the 1978 law as the exclusive means for authorizing electronic surveillance;
Set up a procedure for federal judges to determine whether a telecommunications company can be sued for providing the intelligence community access to its networks without a court order.
The bill essentially grants immunity to the telecommunication companies, the opponents said, because all of the telephone carriers received government certifications saying their participation in the program was legal.
Obama was criticized for backing away from his early opposition to the bill by liberal bloggers and individuals commenting on his campaign Web site.
Before voting for the bill, Obama voted for an amendment offered by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Connecticut, that would have stripped the language granting immunity to telecommunications companies.
Civil liberties groups have vowed to fight the legislation in court.
"This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law," Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU National Security Project, said in a statement issued minutes after the Senate approved the bill. "The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans' international telephone and e-mail communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment."
President Bush acknowledged in 2005 that he ordered the secretive National Security Agency to intercept communications between U.S. residents and people overseas suspected of having ties to terrorism. The administration says the program was authorized when Congress approved military action against al Qaeda after the 2001 attacks.
Communication technologies like mobile phones have made the 1978 FISA bill out of date, supporters say.
The bill also effectively protects telephone companies from being sued for cooperating with a government surveillance program launched in the wake of the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. The White House pushed hard for the provision, with a threat to veto the bill if it did not contain protection for phone companies.
The vote was 69-28, with Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois voting in favor. Republican candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona was not present for the vote.
President Bush said Wednesday afternoon he will sign the bill, calling it "vital" and "long overdue." Watch Bush praise the new FISA bill ยป
The bill, formally known as the FISA Amendments Act, updates the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It will:
Require the secret court set up to oversee FISA to review the surveillance of any targeted American whether the person is in the United States or abroad;
Provide for the FISA court to sign off on procedures for removing the name of any American inadvertently captured in a communication with a foreign target;
Prohibit reverse targeting, which is when intelligence officials eavesdrop on a foreigner's communications overseas as a means to spy on someone in the United States.
Close a loophole by explicitly establishing the 1978 law as the exclusive means for authorizing electronic surveillance;
Set up a procedure for federal judges to determine whether a telecommunications company can be sued for providing the intelligence community access to its networks without a court order.
The bill essentially grants immunity to the telecommunication companies, the opponents said, because all of the telephone carriers received government certifications saying their participation in the program was legal.
Obama was criticized for backing away from his early opposition to the bill by liberal bloggers and individuals commenting on his campaign Web site.
Before voting for the bill, Obama voted for an amendment offered by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Connecticut, that would have stripped the language granting immunity to telecommunications companies.
Civil liberties groups have vowed to fight the legislation in court.
"This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law," Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU National Security Project, said in a statement issued minutes after the Senate approved the bill. "The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans' international telephone and e-mail communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment."
President Bush acknowledged in 2005 that he ordered the secretive National Security Agency to intercept communications between U.S. residents and people overseas suspected of having ties to terrorism. The administration says the program was authorized when Congress approved military action against al Qaeda after the 2001 attacks.
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"How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?"
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
Dwight D. Eisenhower-
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- Rainfall_Media
- 1 month ago
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Obama voted for this. During the primary he stated that he would fillibuster, if necessary, to stop this bill. It appears that we have just another politician to go with McCain.
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We need to act. Don't just write your congressmen, and governors. Rallies on this alone, We have to bring attention to individual issues. We need to be a threat to the government. What's happening right now is UNCHECKED POWER. The elected have bought their way to the power seats and have no empathy or interest in the people outside their circle.
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- ILiveonaClock
- 1 month ago
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I'm moving. This is ridiculous
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- googolplexer
- 1 month ago
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Don't be silly, our rights were gone with the Patriot Act, this is just the natural progression of the slippery slope we are on. . . .
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we are getting rid of our freedoms so no one hates us for them.
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Our rights were never there. The government can do what they want when they want to. It's nice to know they are pretending to go through a voting process.
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- clintisdakoolest
- 1 month ago
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I agree with clintisdakoolest. The government has long forgotten the people that voted them into office. Now Congress and the White House will do what it can to keep an eye on the citizens. Sweden massively protested the passed wiretapping bill. Where are we?
And a random question. Does this bill include providing retroactive immunity to Bush and his administration of war crimes? And if this isn't, can somebody tell me what it's called. Thank you -
No one panic, they're not monitoring you unless you're calling out of the country to a know or suspected person of interest. Ninety nine percent of Americans are of no interest at all to the intelligence community. If you are however, be afraid be very afraid. They can even see the time on your watch via satellite as you sit in your car.
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- Psychedelic
- 1 month ago
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people disapear everyday in america. the government is in total control. but like rome, the empire will fall eventually... history always repeats itself.
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- Entrancing
- 1 month ago
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Out of the country? Every time I call my ISP, credit card company, and any other tech or billing support I am calling OUT OF THE COUNTRY! Every damn American company now gets their phones picked up out of the country. You're talking to someone 9,000 miles away that's been trained to sound like they're from Dallas.
It's me talking to someone reading from a "problem sheet." and me screaming back at them? Federal offense or a case of being annoyed to death?
More profit for the greedy telecoms that couldn't stand to have a work force with a living wage and health bennies. Private ibber-
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- privateibber
- 1 month ago
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I wonder just whom is looking out for the interest of the American people? It seems that freedom, liberty, and justice is fastly becoming a thing of the past.
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- PaperTigerTrax
- 1 month ago
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Anyone who thinks this if for our protection is a moron!! Open your eyes and see that our right to privacy is being taken! More or less i feel this is so the government can be aware of the american public retaliating and rallying against them if they ever found out the "TRUTH". Do you really want to live in a police state and be in a constant threat of terrorist fear that will never happen!? Unless our government lets it happen again! Name one instance of terrorism on our homeland since 9/11! Exactly!!! WAKE UP!!!
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This is likely just a taste of things to come.
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"ACLU Sues Over Unconstitutional Dragnet Wiretapping Law"
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This is an affront to liberty. The fact that they have the option and means to spy on any American without cause or warrant goes against everything this country stands for, or at least once stood for. SHAME on those who voted for this bill. I have no illusions that it will be used now to spy on "dissenters" of this government and others they deem to be a "risk" regardless of what this law states, especially with their moneyed phony conventions just around the corner that they want to keep phony and pristine of criticism. Anyone who thinks otherwise is totally naive.
The ACLU is right to sue and I back that 100%. I honestly don't understand what the hell is wrong with Americans in this country to not be outraged about this and to think to even trust these bastards after all they have done. And to those who even try to defend Obama ( and for that matter any Democrat) on this, no sale. I honestly now wonder what Al Gore thinks about this after endorsing him and after the speech he gave on this in 2006... I find it hard to believe that he would agree with Obama on his vote for it, and if he would excuse it for "political" reasons then I do not respect him for that. Where is he now to speak out about this? Where are any of them now?
It appears as if we as a whole are willing to hand all of our civil liberties over to these traitors just for an "election." Very disapppointing. The founders are spinning in their graves. We have surely failed them.-
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- JanforGore
- 1 month ago
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You can all thank the "Democracy" that you continue to praise. America is not a Democracy, but a Constitutional Republic...
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It seems only americans are surprised by this.
Which makes me laugh.
And the shock that mr. Change, Obama himeself didn't stop the big bad bill...ooh what a shock.
The whole world is laughing at how patheticly irrelivant and out of touch the american people actually are.
Laughing, that is, when they are not being raped by american foreign policy.
Let me fill you guys in a bit too ease the shock for ya.
here's the next few years:
Mcbush will win. Hands down.
You're nation will continue down it's path of human rights abuse and murder.
You will do nothing to stop it despite the cries of the world.
You will slowly sell off your remaining rights and freedoms until the last shred of influence you weild over your "elected' officials is entiely gone.
and if we are at all lucky your military will be stretched so thin that you have a total economic colapse and suffer truely horrible personal consequences on a national level and across all classes that will force your fat lazy disinterested public to actually stand up for something. -
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Uckfay emthay ootey. Amanosvey ontoprey.
It's easy gang...we start in pig latin. Then we add Spanish pig latin. Then we get off our asses and meet in a room in our communities where we first check for bugs. Then we have a conversation about our country, how much we love liberty and how we would even die for it.
The Founding Fathers (and Mothers) wrote that dang Bill O Rights for a reason. To stop despotism from ever coming to our shores. To protect and defend our country from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Check out the guys who made it happen, even in the 20th Century. Chavez, King. Wrongs have to be righted. You think these guys weren't on some list? They were wiretapped before they had real wires. Yet they fought the good fight and won.
If each one of us could just make a little noise. Legally and in a cultured manner we could move mountains. There are wonderful people out there and not everyone is an old f*art with a mean spirit.
America will rise from the ashes as it always does. Sure you'll have to deal with a landlord who lives in Beijing or Dubai but who's counting? They can't arrest 300, 000,000 people and as long as we stay connected and are not afraid to speak our minds there will always be a Dylan to write a song and spring us.
I remember when one couldn't even say "LIBERAL" and it was called the "L" word. It was usually strung along with the adjective "DAMN." Now we can at least say it. So maybe we've come further than we think.
However, we can't keep riding that 60s train. It's in need of a bit of a spruce up. I'd call the new train AHKSHUN. And perhaps 60 years from now the 20 somethings will be the next great generation.
We're just reaping the harvest of the night of the long IPhone lines. Chief Whiner- Private Ibber-
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- privateibber
- 1 month ago
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And who are "suspected terroists"??? lets define the word "suspected terroists"...suspect-a word of the meaning for reason to believe a situation or cause to a situation is going to happen....terroists-any dark toned "tanned" person, according to the eye of the US of A, and got others discriminating againsts certain races or even religions.....im tan, im usually a suspect because of my background, and i like to talk madd shit on my phone about anything i want to talk about...but i thought that was the point?!? to speak to my friends who have the same views as me....and i thought of it being safe because...."freedom of speech"...everything, including cheaper gas, seems to be a thing of the past.
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- street_smart
- 1 month ago
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Big Brother is watching.
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- junsumoney
- 1 month ago
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I believe there was also a bill that would have been used to categorize 'environmental protestors' as terrorists in their broad and vague descriptions. In other words, if I write a sign that reads "no clean coal" and stand at a site that was building a plant to protest it going up, I would be deemed a terrorist. And I agree, this country hasn't been a 'Democracy' for years. We aren't even a Republic anymore, we are more like a oligarchy. And perhaps total collapse does have to come before the lazy distracted people in this country get off their couches... what a shame.
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- JanforGore
- 1 month ago
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We might as well kiss goodbye whatever rights we had left. The article states that the government has the right to listen in on conversations for people who are "suspected terrorists". My question is, Who do they suspect as terrorists and why? We as Americans are having our rights removed one by one.
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I've actually just switched my wireless service provider to ThinkCrime Inc. They conveniently pipe all of my private conversations directly to The Ministry of Truth and they alter the transcripts to make them "less terroristic" in nature. No worries!
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- artist_speaks_out
- 1 month ago
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It took this bill for us to declare, "Say good-bye to our rights!" ?
It's good to see something got you all riled up, but our rights were taken away quite some time ago, and long before this bill was introduced. If it takes someone listening in on your undoubtedly stupid and unimportant cell phone conversations to get everyone's panties in a bunch, then I for one hope they (the government) start fucking with the internet, our modes of transportation, and our ability to make money.... OH WAIT, THEY ALREADY DO!
Man, people, I'm glad you're all awake now! Instead of whining like little bitches let's actually do something about it! -
They have been doing this all along... why is it such a big deal now? Just because it is public? Note, in 3 days, it will be forgotten again...
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