Life in Gitmo
- added July 16, 2008
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This is the first video ever released of an interrogation that took place at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay. In the video, a 16-year-old Canadian boy is being questioned about his involvement in terrorist attacks in Afghanistan.
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This is awful. He's just a kid. If this is what we've resorted to in order to protect the "free" world, then we are little better than al-Qaida.
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There is not a lot here... Did he do it? I do not approve of any torture... Questioning a murder suspect is expected though... ? Six years ago? Need more info here... Lost his eyes and feet could be his way of saying FREEDOM lost! This is sad none-the-less!
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This is sickening, it's one thing to do this to adults but to have our country act like this to children (regaurdless of what age he is now, he was 15 when he was first sent to Gitmo) is appalling.
It's not a question of whether he did what he is accused of or not, it's a question of what we as a country are willing to become to get whatever answers we need.
Other countries have acted like this before (Detaining people without cause, torturing, ignoring basic human rights) and we know how they are seen now by history and the world.
We cannot allow a handful of people tarnish our countries legacy with these heinous actions.
I do not want to be remember for this.-
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- FahadArman
- 2 months ago
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What's scarier still is that we are shown so little with this footage.
Imagine what we aren't seeing...-
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- FahadArman
- 2 months ago
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Bleeding hart liberals... there is nothing to show that he is being mistreated. The bloke is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a soldier who more than likely did not want to be there as it was. Yes, it seams unjust to detain a 15 year old, but that was 6 years ago and he is an adult now. That said, if you are out "allegedly" committing adult acts during war, you should be treated as an adult.
I am not a person swayed by tears and honestly feel nothing for the man. Further, the only reason he is "accused" is because there has been no trial. Which, mind you, he should probably be grateful for because I am sure that G. Bush of capital punishment happy Texas, would not hesitate to put those prisoners to death upon conviction. -
A few quick points, sir:
- I think the term you were looking for was "bleeding heart" liberals.
- My statement above wasn't a question of whether the accused was guilty or not, but rather what it says about us if we are going to detain or (allegedly) torture a 15 year old boy (regardless of his age now, he was 15 when he entered Guantanamo). There has to be lines that we don't cross if we are going to take a moral high ground during these types of situations (a stance our administration have been very liberally taking for the past eight years).
We cannot say we are the just when we are acting they same as (if not worse) then our enemies.
Rather then dismissing my points as "liberal rhetoric" why don't you take a moment and digest what I am trying to get across.
Seriously, do you want to be remember for this?-
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- FahadArman
- 2 months ago
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Here's the BBC Guantanamo Bay video in full.
There isn't much in the way of torture. Though the individual looks to be a tortured soul.
To change any minds there needs to be more exposure. From what I understand many of the captives in Gitmo where essentially purchased by the US government under the banner of "turn in terrorists of money, no questions asked". The innocent men where were turned in as terrorists by people who had a beef with them, now in a prison where water boarding (torture) is exercised are the people we should see.
I wish people working there, who understand what the heck is going on would stand up and say something if something is wrong.
If there was better evidence confirming what is "known" to be going on down there, that would change a lot of minds. -
I think we can all agree with that. We need more information/evidence of what exactly is going on in there.
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- FahadArman
- 2 months ago
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true, but if he wouldnt have thrown a grenade and killed or injured a soldier thats his own fault. Plus he is from Canada just going to Afghanistan to train was a bad mistake.
Look on the bright side omar if you were an american caught by the taliban. You would have been beheaded and dragged through the street.
PLus you have been in there 7 years, whats another 40 or 50 -
No one deserves treatment like what the prisoners in Gitmo experience.
The soldier should have realized what the risk was in going to the Middle East when he signed his life away to the military. -
I don't think we can Judge much... What is a Canadian doing in Afghanistan? Why was he in the middle of a Combat? If innocent would the US really waste all this time on him?
We can't tell much, nor his age means anything, there are kids in Iraq and Afg that kill, people think they are harmless. Hell, even women are now Suicide bombers.!?
We cannot comment from this Video only, there has to be an full story. -
A) I don't think anyone is making a comment from this video only, it's likely that people are making their comments based on our actions since the war has started.
B) Being accused of a crime is completely different then being found guilty of a crime. There are a million and one reasons this person could've been in Afghanistan, and I'm not saying that makes him innocent I'm saying that alone does not make him guilty. It's the careless sentiments like the "beheaded" remark and the "whats another 40-50 years" remark by clayjj05 that I'm contesting to. We cannot be so callus when it comes to justice and how it is reached. We have systems on how we find the guilty and these actions we have taken are not them. We as a country have to hold ourselves at a moral standard if we want to win a war against an inanimate object (in this case "terror") because it's not war of people it's a war of ideology.
So far, we are losing.-
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- FahadArman
- 2 months ago
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I don't believe the US Government/Bush Administration at all, 0%. They are money, power, corruption, and control drunk. This will be betta with Obama in.
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- Wessagusset_Oracle
- 2 months ago
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Another example of what the average american will never see aired on mainstream media.
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I heard/read what you had to state, and cheers for the spelling correction, and I get what you are trying to get across. However, I my "bleeding heart" comment which alleges that he was probably being tortured in the section of the film that we are not privy to. and, as we have both previously stated, there is no evidence of such treatment.
Further, elspeth's comment that, "The soldier should have realised what the risk was in going to the Middle East when he signed his life away to the military," is purely ridiculous. Therefore, since we are making ridiculous comments they should have shot that man, then boy, dead where he stood.... no need for a trial, no need for this discussion and no one would have asked questions.
Come back when you have someone close who has lost their life fighting in your presidents stupid war and you have to have a close casket funeral. Tell me then how you feel about those accused of terrorist tires and killing your friends and family. -
that's why militant's should not use teen's and (brainwashed mothers) 2 do they're dirty work.
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- Blackfoot777
- 2 months ago
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Well this is by no means a smoking gun video for prisoner abuse, but its sad just the same.
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- bjlawrence11
- 2 months ago
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I say reserve judgement until after the trial.If he did what he is accused of he deserves much worse than anything shown here.
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- squilla1123
- 2 months ago
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Wow. The wikipedia angle on his life is super interesting. -
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There are many different levels of POW's -- and we were told by Rumsfeld himself that GitMo only housed the "worst of the worst."
These were (allegedly) the super-terrorists.
This is (was) a 15 year old.
He is obviously not a billionaire international arms dealer.
He is obviously not some military genius commanding 1000's of terror cells in several different countries.
So if GitMo is (allegedly) a super-max POW facility reserved exclusively for Lex Luthor level super terrorists -- and that is the rational used to justify the unusual and extreme "interrogation techniques" being used at that facility -- then what the fuck is a 15 year old nobody doing there?
The everyday nobodies get sent to ordinary jail in their country of origin.
At least that's what we SHOULD be doing.
Instead, apparently, we've got some punk kid with no money, no high level connections and ZERO information that's of use to anyone getting waterboarded at GitMo?
Somebody is going to have to explain to me why I should continue to pay a large percentage of my taxes to keep this sobbing man with no useful knowledge about anything in custody.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to either send him back to either Afghanistan or Canada?
Also worth noting: it's been 6 years. Obviously the daily regiment of ass raping and sleep deperviation isn't working.
Is that because he's a super terrorist with a mind so hardened and disciplined that no amount of torture will ever break him?
Or is it because this 15 year old punk doesn't know SHIT?
Judging by the sobbing I'm going to have to go with "He doesn't know shit." -
you are so right crob...great questions.
I am so disgusted by this Republican war-mongering, profit driven administration, and the passive do-nothing Senate and Congress that have and continue to allow this sort of thing to happen. They are all a worthless lot in my opinion, and have left me saddened and ashamed of my country.-
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- Incredulous
- 2 months ago
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Are you guys kidding me??? We're "little better than Al-Qaida"?? It's "sickening"?? Have you not seen what they do to American Soldiers???
Police do a lot worse than this in interrogation rooms in Anytown, USA...
Give me a break - Lets see how your attitude towards this interrogation is after this kid throws a grenade at you and your coworkers... if you have a job -
Do have a job... and it's not killing civilians... still disagree with treatment of this kid and holding him at Gtmo ... problem here is that Americans are fed up with the lies our government is telling us.
Have you seen what our military and contractors are doing to women in our own armed forces?
Military morale is hugely compromised, and yes, I lay the blame for that at the feet of those who are profiting from this war and deceiving decent people to do it.
If soldiers from the Middle East were all over our country killing innocents on a daily basis, I think we would probably have some grenade throwing kids on the block too, and I'm not justifying it, not at all, but the corruption in this whole war endeavor starts with the lies our president told us to get American soldiers over there, and we are sick and damn tired of being lied to.
The United States was founded on a system of checks and balances... people objecting to the lies associated with this war, the treatment of this kid, and the continued holding of him at Gtmo, is part of the checks and balances.-
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- Incredulous
- 2 months ago
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