OH GREAT U.S. Navy ships head to Georgia

Finally, fearful countries are understanding the importance of the humanitarian aid that Georgia has been needing. At least some are seeing the light..

Neither type of ship has any cargo capacity worth mentioning. This "humanitarian" gambit doesn't hold water.

I just laugh on how we aid a Tyrant like Georigan president because of all the OIl deals we made with them, and yet we bomb everyone els, ruthless

Vierotchka - some is better than none.

Chuck_st_chuck - the last I checked, the Georgian President didn't seize power by force, nor is he a cruel and oppressive ruler.. you can check your tyrant comments at the door...

You obviously didn't check in the right places, outtheinside.

http://schneiderhome.blogspot.com/2008/01/petals-fall-off-rose.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,526698,00.html

http://larison.org/2006/11/27/two-reasons-to-distrust-saakashvili/

Any man who attacks another nation because they want to leave is a Tyrant.
Lincon was a Tyrant to me when he forced Confedert states to re-join.
as was russia when they forced nations to join

What nations did Russia force to join, according to you, Chuck_st_chuck?

Vierotchka

your sources talk of a vote of 97% approval to replace a decidedly corrupt dictator.. is that seizing power without legal right?

does improving the quality of living by providing electricity where there once wasn't for your citizens count as tyrant actions?

either way, Russia's agreements to leave Georgia were pathetically disavowed. i don't agree that Georgia made the right choice to provoke Russia, but I do believe Russia could have handled the situation diplomatically without the number of deaths, destruction of property, and uprooting of people. Georgia needs this aid.

This vote is known to have been heavily rigged. It was organized, orchestrated and financed by the USA and the CIA.

The USA has not offered a cent of humanitarian aid to the South Ossetes who suffered considerably more death and destruction at the hands of Saakashvili than the Georgians did at the hand of the Russians.

Oh, and how do you handle a dastardly attack against civilians in the middle of the night, the destruction of a city and many villages, with diplomacy, pray tell?

Yes, outtheinside, my source does talk of a 97% approval (vote), but had you bothered to read further than that, you'd have seen that what immediately followed this was:

Unfortunately, this is not what really happened and the protests and emergency rule that marred the country's media image four months ago and brought about the snap Presidential election today, aptly illustrates this.

The Rose Revolution was not a simple uprising but was aided by the CIA and Ambassador Richard Miles (think Serbia). From early 2002 onwards the CIA had been operating in Georgia, supposedly to combat Al Qaeda. And yes, Georgia is an odd place to fight the war on terror against OBL. One of the main groups that took to the streets and stormed the Parliament house was Kmer (meaning "enough") was almost certainly CIA funded. Saakashvilli was never the democrat and wonderful liberal he was made out to be. His was a strategic role. He would further US interests in the Caucasus, especially with respect to Caspian sea oil in return for US and EU protection. However, Saakashvilli could never guarantee total support at home and thus slipped into heavily using patronage (what other may call corruption) and strongman tactics.

Vierotchka

your source is a student blogging about the CIA?? come on... if you want to use something like that get a credible source..

destruction of a city and a few villages? thats an over-exaggeration. yes any human death is unacceptable when raiding a joint territory. Diplomatically, I would have not raided the second territory in contention nor pressed into Georgia, cut out bunkers, killed many times more people, cut off oil to Turkey, or broke negotiated agreements multiple times.

The controversy over the Georgian surprise military attacks on South Ossetia and Abkhazia on 8.8.08 makes a closer look at the controversial Georgian President and his puppet masters important. An examination shows 41 year old Mikhail Saakashvili to be a ruthless and corrupt totalitarian who is tied to not only the US NATO establishment, but also to the Israeli military and intelligence establishment. The famous ‘Rose Revolution of November 2003 that forced the ageing Edouard Shevardnadze from power and swept the then 36 year old US university graduate into power was run and financed by the US State Department, the Soros Foundations, and agencies tied to the Pentagon and US intelligence community.

Mihkail Saakashvili was deliberately placed in power in one of the most sophisticated US regime change operations, using ostensibly private NGOs (Non Governmental Organizations) to create an atmosphere of popular protest against the existing regime of former Soviet Foreign Minister Edouard Shevardnadze, who was no longer useful to Washington when he began to make a deal with Moscow over energy pipelines and privatizations.

Saakashvili was brought to power in a US-engineered coup run on the ground by US-funded NGO’s, in an application of a new method of US destabilization of regimes it considered hostile to its foreign policy agenda. The November 24 2003 Wall Street Journal explicitly credited the toppling of Shevardnadze's regime to the operations of "a raft of non-governmental organizations . . . supported by American and other Western foundations." These NGOs, said the Journal, had "spawned a class of young, English-speaking intellectuals hungry for pro-Western reforms" who were instrumental laying the groundwork for a bloodless coup.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20569.htm

But there is more. The NGOs were coordinated by the US Ambassador to Georgia, Richard Miles, who had just arrived in Tbilisi fresh from success in orchestrating the CIA-backed toppling of Slobodan Milosevic in Belgrade, using the same NGOs. Miles, who is believed to be an undercover intelligence specialist, supervised the Saakashvili coup.

It involved US billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Georgia Foundation. It involved the Washington-based Freedom House whose chairman was former CIA chief James Woolsey. It involved generous financing from the US Congress-financed National Endowment for Democracy, an agency created by Ronald Reagan in the 1980’s to “do privately what the CIA used to do,” namely coups against regimes the US Government finds unfriendly.

George Soros’ foundations have been forced to leave numerous eastern European countries including Russia as well as China after the 1989 student Tiananmen Square uprising. Soros is also the financier together with the US State Department of the Human Rights Watch, a US-based and run propaganda arm of the entire NGO apparatus of regime coups such as Georgia and Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution. Some analysts believe Soros is a high-level operative of the US State Department or intelligence services using his private foundations as cover.

The US State Department funded the Georgia Liberty Institute headed by Saakashvili, US approved candidate to succeed the no-longer cooperative Shevardnadze. The Liberty Institute in turn created “Kmara!” which translates “Enough!” According to a BBC report at the time, Kmara! Was organized in spring of 2003 when Saakashvili along with hand-picked Georgia student activists were paid by the Soros Foundation to go to Belgrade to learn from the US-financed Otpor activists that toppled Milosevic. They were trained in Gene Sharp’s “non-violence as a method of warfare” by the Belgrade Center for Nonviolent Resistance.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20569.htm

Saakashvili as mafioso President

Once he was in place in January 2004 as Georgia’s new President, Saakashvili proceeded to pack the regime with his cronies and kinsmen. The death of Zurab Zhvania, his prime minister in February, 2005, remains a mystery. The official version—poisoning by faulty gas heater—was adopted by American FBI investigators within two weeks of the killing. That has never seemed credible to those familiar with Georgia’s gangland slayings, crime, and other manifestations of social decay. Zhvania’s death was followed closely by a functionary of the Premier’s apparat, Georgi Khelashvili, who allegedly shot himself the day after his chief’s demise. The head of Zhvania’s research staff was later found dead as well.

Figures allied with Saakashvili reportedly had a hand in the premier’s death. Russian journalist Marina Perevozkina quoted Gia Khurashvili, a Georgian economist. Prior to the fatal incident, Mr. Khurashvili had published an article in Resonans newspaper opposing the privatization and sale of Georgia’s main gas pipeline. Ten days before the prime minister’s body was found, Khurashvili was attacked and his editor-in-chief—citing pressure from ‘security service’ figures he refused to name—issued him a warning.

The late premier’s position on the pipeline issue was believed the direct reason for the murder of Zhvania. Zhvania’s brother, Georgi, also told Perevozkina that not long before Zhvania’s death he received a warning that someone was preparing to kill his brother. Saakashvili was reportedly livid when the US State Department invited Zhvania to Washington to win a Freedom Medal from the US Government’s National Democratic Institute. Saakashvili tolerates no rivals for power it seems.

Saakashvili, who cleverly marketed himself as “anti-corruption,” appointed several of his family members to lucrative posts in government, giving one of his brothers a position as chief adviser on domestic issues to the Baku-Ceyhan Pipeline project, backed by British Petroleum and other oil multinationals.

Since coming to power in 2004 with US aid, Saakashvili has led a policy of mass-scale arrests, imprisonment, torture and deepened corruption. Saakashvili has presided over the creation of a de facto one-party state, with a dummy opposition occupying a tiny portion of seats in the parliament, and this public servant is building a Ceaucescu-style palace for himself on the outskirts of Tbilisi. According to the magazine, Civil Georgia (Mar. 22, 2004) until 2005, the salaries of Saakashvili and many of his ministers were reportedly paid by the NGO network of New York-based currency speculator Soros—along with the United Nations Development Program.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20569.htm

Vierotchka russia today none
but while the soviet union
they conqured many countries and made them join
but to them they were "liberating" them

Which countries, exactly? Please name them.

Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Russia
Belarus
Ukraine
Moldova
Georgia
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Estonia
Lithuania
Latvia
All were under Soviet Rule

Yes, but all were part of Russia for many centuries before the advent of the Soviet rule. None of them were forced into Russia under the Soviet rule. Ukraine is the cradle of Russia - it was in Kiev that Russia was formed by Rurik. The descendants of Rurik were the princes of Kiev who ruled the whole of Russia, and only families descended from Rurik (known as the Rurikid families) had the right to become Tsars of Russia. The Ukraine never was a separate country from Russia, it had always been its heart. It was during the Soviet rule that they were given a separate identity, given the title of Republic. You really ought to study the history of Russia.

And what of Poland and countries west all the way to east germany?

Poland was not part of the Soviet Union, it was part of the Warsaw Pact, although it was at times ruled by Russia in the past. Belarus was an integral part of Russia. What do you mean by "countries west all the way to East Germany"? East Germany was another Warsaw Pact country - along with Poland, it was a buffer country between Russia and Europe, as were Hungary and Czechoslovakia - none of these buffer countries were ever part of Soviet Russia. Romania was communist but not part of the Soviet Empire. Bulgaria was its own country which was always closely allied to Russia.

Poland was not a buffer country as you call it
After WWII the Russians "liberated" poland but in reailty they just conqured it as well.
Warsaw pac was used as like the communist injustice leage.
get all the other commies together in case Nato opens the flood gates on them..

so poland was not a buffer nation,
Poland was a country weak from Nazi invasion and then they were invaded again