McCain ridicules health exemptions for abortion

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Finally, John McCain and Barack Obama are put on record on some key women’s issues. It could be a revelation for many voters, especially McCain’s tone and body language in mocking health exemptions from abortion bans.

McCain had criticized Barack Obama for not supporting an array of anti-abortion bills in the Illinois state legislative bills. Obama said he had not backed them because they lacked exemptions to protect the health and life of the mother.

Here’s what McCain responded, his voice rising in moral indignation: “He’s [for] health for the mother. You know, that’s been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything. That’s the extreme pro-abortion position, quote ‘health.’”

The way McCain exaggerated the pronunciation of “health,” including putting in hand gestures to indicate quotations, was reminiscent of his running mate Sarah Palin’s belittling of “community organizer” in her maiden speech to the Republican convention. That was Palin’s thinly veiled mockery of Obama’s early organizing experience in Chicago.

McCain’s “health” exemption statement Wednesday showed his to be the extreme position: he differed with current law. The U.S. Supreme Court has struck down abortion bans that do not contain exemptions for the health and life of the mother.

McCain said he wants abortion decisions to be decided by the states, ending the federal guarantees for it under Roe. Asked by moderator Bob Schieffer if he would consider someone for the court who “had a history of being for abortion rights,” McCain answered in a convoluted way: “I would consider anyone in their qualifications. I do not believe that someone who has supported Roe v. Wade that would be part of those qualifications. But I certainly would not impose any litmus test.”

The third and final network-sponsored debate between Republican presidential nominee McCain and Democratic nominee Obama touched on three key issues: appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court that will affect women’s rights well beyond the landmark Roe v. Wade reproductive rights ruling; current state legislative attempts to restrict legal abortion, including health exemptions for the mother; and pay inequities as reflected by the recent Supreme Court rebuff to Alabama factory worker Lily Ledbetter.

Wednesday night’s debate could be a taste of more to come—or it could be all that women’s groups get in terms of grilling the presidential nominees in depth this campaign.

Obama called abortion “a very difficult issue and it is a moral issue and one that I think good people on both sides can disagree on. But what ultimately I believe is that women in consultation with their families, their doctors, their religious advisers are in the best position to make this decision. And I think that the Constitution has a right to privacy in it that shouldn’t be subject to state referendum, any more than our First Amendment rights are subject to state referendum…”

He talked about the importance of the next president’s appointments to the Supreme Court. He said he would “look for those judges who have an outstanding judicial record, who have the intellect and who hopefully have a sense of what real-world folks are going through.”

And then he made a segue into the pay equity issue, where Congress has failed so far to overturn the Supreme Court ruling against Lily Ledbetter, naming its bill after her. The Supreme Court had said her pay-discrimination claim against a tire company came too late—decades after she got her first paycheck that was substantially lower than men doing the same job at the same plant. The fact that she only learned about the pay disparity recently made no difference to the justices: the time had expired.






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68 comments // McCain ridicules health exemptions for abortion

  • sillywabbit
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      sillywabbit  
    • Why do so-called "pro-lifers" always go after the medical practice of abortion instead of the fertility clinics? Do you know how many precious blastocysts are aborted as a result of in-vitro fertilization? How many lives are created in these clinics so one may live? Would you not agree that the practice is working against God in the most heinous way?

    • 1 year ago
  • StopThink
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      StopThink  
    • Most "pro-choice" people are "pro-life" at the same time.

      Example: I am a woman and I think woman have the right to choose was is right for them.

      But at the same time I, myself, would never have one.

      No woman should be told what to do with her body. Just like no woman should be raped. And if someone has the audiacity to say otherwise needs to stick their nose back into their own personal life. It's personal for a reason.

    • 1 year ago
  • khaosworks
  • lifestudentno83
  • blueman53
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • lifestudentno83:

      Blueman, are you talking about procreation or having sex? I don't know about you, but there is a huge difference to me. And lifestudentno83, did you mean people have no business telling other people what to do with their bodies? Because if you didn't, that would be discrimination.

    • 1 year ago
  • lifestudentno83
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      lifestudentno83  
    • lifestudentno83:

      In this specific instance, I was referring to the topic of abortion and therefore stated it that way due to the fact men are incapable of birthing a child. There was no discrimination intended.

      However, I agree that no one has the right telling anyone what they should do with their bodies.

    • 1 year ago
  • blueman53
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      blueman53  
    • lifestudentno83:

      I'm saying if i got a girl pregnant and she wanted to abort the baby, I would do everything in my power to make sure that didn't happen. if she didn't want the baby, i would take full custody

      this is one place where our abortion laws are wrong. the father has no rights and that is not fair.

    • 1 year ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • frankisthename
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      frankisthename  
    • You can be pro choice and against abortions. Its the idea of having a choice in what you want to do...Men have a choice it they want to be fathers...most run leaving the woman to deal with the issue....

      As far as religion...the Bible really isn't pro child, pro life...The Old Testament is full of God's Wrath...killing men, women and children, Herod slaughter of the first born, God thru Moses kills the Eygptian first born...etc..etc...Not really a good reference point...

    • 1 year ago
  • pharisee
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      pharisee  
    • frankisthename:

      As far as religion...the Bible really isn't pro child, pro life...The Old Testament is full of God's Wrath...killing men, women and children, Herod slaughter of the first born, God thru Moses kills the Eygptian first born...etc..etc...Not really a good reference point...

      are you serious you gafone whats wrong with you
      the upright knows about moses
      herod slaughter the first born because he was controled by the yotzer hara.

      G-d did not slay the first born of mitzraim on account of moses but on the account of the pharoah who with malice and being moved by the yotzer hara, mocked hashem tzavaoth and said i will do as my father did with a campaign to kill all the first born of the yiddin.

      After pharoah and his magistrate degrades and plague bnai yisrael they reaped what they sowed.

      you better brush up on your yiddishkeit or shut your mouth because your talking like a fool.

      if you knew anything you would know no religion promotes abortion

      As far as religion can you expand your knoweledge of religion its more then just a a passage in exodus and another one from the christian gospels. look at hinduism buddhism and islam you will find that they have more to offer when it comes to their oppossistion to obortion then their written scriptures but in commentaries accompanying them explaining and expounded on the scriptures to make it more clearer and accessible and through out their perspective religous literatures.

      the only people who support abortion on a moral ground or euginicst rascist evil xenophobics like the ones who created the abortion clinics.
      lets get real
      morally speaking a religous person can feel it wrong no matter from conception to birth but at birth even the none religious most agree practically its wrong to kill off a living breething being who has all the potential to do good or evil.

    • 1 year ago
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • With universal health this wouldn't be an issue. And where do "their religious advisers" fit into this picture? Until Roe vs Wade is overturned this a non-issue. To the rest of the males responding to this post, until one of us gets preggers, what right do we have to say anything about it? My mantra during any womans pregancy is" Damn glad it ain't me."

    • 1 year ago
  • mmob221
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      mmob221  
    • Okay so lets reach a happy medium here... how about anti-choicers agree to adopt 2-3 children and raise them as their own...

      ... since the majoriity of individuals having abortions are women who already have children and believe they cannot support another child...

      so the anti-choicers will be able to help out and really stand on those lofty principles... it's not enough to bear your own children... if you want to dictate the lives of others... well you should bear the responsibility for the choices you want to make for others...

    • 1 year ago
  • blueman53
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      blueman53  
    • Abortion is murder because life begins at conception. Just my opinion.

      That being said, it is not the role of the government to tell women what to do with their body. So abortion is murder, but it should be legal.

    • 1 year ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • blueman53
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • blueman53:

      does genetics equal life, or moreover, HUMAN life? One of the big things here has always been life vs HUMAN life- we don't call every bundle of genetic material we kill murder, right? Only the human life.
      So, what separates human life from other life, and when does that distinction begin?

    • 1 year ago
  • blueman53
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      blueman53  
    • blueman53:

      once DNA is created, it is only a matter of time, like 9 months. the legal standard for human life is at point of viability, i believe that is around six months into a pregnancy.

      my opinion doesn't match with the legal standard. the only difference between a viable fetus and a zygote is time.

      there is also a religious aspect to my opinion. I believe that human life is given by God. As far as I understand that is thru our genetic code. So to me the genetics are the essential part.

      this is why abortion is such a difficult issue and why it shouldn't be illegal. It is not the role of government to enforce my beliefs on other people. I'm just here to share my opinion.

    • 1 year ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • blueman53:

      "there is also a religious aspect to my opinion. I believe that human life is given by God. As far as I understand that is thru our genetic code. So to me the genetics are the essential part."

      I'm not judging this, but this is why I had asked you if your reasoning was religious. You told me it was scientific, and when pressed, "life is given by God" came out. If you believe that, fine- but please don't call this "scientific".

    • 1 year ago
  • blueman53
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • blueman53
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      blueman53  
    • blueman53:

      just how i see it. the hard part about deciding when life begins is that no one really knows. its like trying to decide how the earth was created. (I might start a bigger debate).

      Delia, good talk, I enjoyed. you are very knowledgeable on this subject

    • 1 year ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • JohnA
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • AndreaKnoll
  • edbr
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      edbr  
    • AndreaKnoll:

      i'm sure there are some social conservatives that would be glad if all gay people were dead.

      ok, just being sarcastic ... but i'm not always convinced there aren't those people out there.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • div:

      Absolutely, and I am pro life and pro choice (which is pro life as LIFE is one of those choices.) I do not believe in the death penalty nor in killing our children in senseless wars. And I do not believe I would get an abortion unless I were raped or my life was in danger... however, that being said, I also believe that any woman should then have the freewill and choice to decide her own life as I do whether I agree with her choice or not, and that politics should not deem itself arrogant enough to force its faux hypocritical moral code on any woman regarding this issue.

    • 1 year ago
  • edbr
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      edbr  
    • JanforGore:

      "politics should not deem itself arrogant enough to force its faux hypocritical moral code on any woman regarding this issue. "

      exactly perfectly stated. plainly and simply, who the fuck are they to tell you or me how to live? we'll pay our taxes, now leave us the fuck alone.

      what's next? because they think it's god's will (or whatever) will we be required by law to go to church every sunday?

    • 1 year ago
  • div
  • matea
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      matea  
    • if one wants to say abortion should be legal then they should be willing to say that it should also be illegal for a man and woman to have sex unless they are prepared to care for a child together

      wow.. 90% of McCain's relationships just went out the window

    • 1 year ago
  • edbr
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      edbr  
    • first off, i value each and every person's right to have an opinion, and i've never believed that i should impose my beliefs on anyone else.

      with that said, i will state the following:

      any conservative who believes against abortion rights or gay rights, or any rights, for that matter, is deeply in violation of his or her own party's fundamental beliefs.

      conservatives traditionally believe in small-government.

      any law that restricts the basic human inalienable rights we gain upon BIRTH is against conservative, and particularly federalist, beliefs. not only are the laws unconstitutional, but they're unnecessary, as large amounts of money has been or will be spent to enact these laws.

      a conservative believes in states' rights.

      a federal law supersedes states rights, undermining the core conservative federalism ideology.

      restriction of inherent rights is analogous to a conservative scripting the seat-belt law or a law against marijuana. it is a waste of rare and expensive congressional docket-space, immoral, unconstitutional, and completely against fundamental conservative beliefs.

    • 1 year ago
  • div
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      div  
    • absolutely JanforGore!!! People don't seem to understand that pro-life means pro-all-life! For some, it's ok for war to happen, for the death sentence to be used, and for hunting to be legal sport. But if it comes to an unborn fetus, then it's murder. Pro-life means pro-life, just like pro-choice means pro-choice no matter what the choice is.

    • 1 year ago
  • stranger2315
  • blueman53
  • div
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      div  
    • div:

      I'm not entirely certain I understand where you're going with that question.

      What does it have to do with the case at hand? Are you going to use my response to decide what kind of person I am so you can decide how respectful you will be to me? I really don't get it.

      I think that what you may be slightly misguided in is that legalization of abortion will not mean that hundreds of women will rush to clinics getting rid of babies they don't want. Abortion is not a choice that any woman WANTS to make. You seem to think (as do many other pro-lifers) that women like the idea of abortion. We don't. It's a hard choice to make, and we aren't jumping up and down for joy once a woman gets pregnant and decides to have an abortion - just because she can!

      And another thing... what does "feminized" mean? Because I feel like I should be offended when you say that... as if being "feminized" is a bad thing. please prove me wrong!

    • 1 year ago
  • div
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      div  
    • div:

      blueman, pro-life means pro-life. There are not ifs and/or buts about it. Life is life no matter whose life it is. If you are pro-life, it means ALL life. Don't start to tell me that it's ok for SOME life but not ALL.

      Is death of an animal less death than death of a human being? Or is it the death of a criminal less than the death of an animal? Which is equal to less murder?

      Don't get me wrong, hunting is useful for food, I understand that. I mean hunting for the "thrill of the kill."

    • 1 year ago
  • blueman53
  • div
  • blueman53
  • div
  • Johnny_Danger
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      Johnny_Danger  
    • THIS IS MY STANCE ON ABORTION. I think that abortion is acceptable in the case of rape, if the pregnancy is harming the mother, or the fetus has a fatal defect. I think that aborting a life just because it isn't convenient to be pregnant at the time is a little selfish.

    • 1 year ago
  • sillywabbit
  • matea
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      matea  
    • well before you ask how can anyone take the life of a helpless human being...

      please ask, how can anyone bring a child carelessly into this world just for an orgasm?

      then you'll understand the answer.

    • 1 year ago
  • stranger2315
  • edbr
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Amazing that those who claim that abortion is murder have no qualms about sending our children over to the Middle East to be 'aborted' for their oil money. And of course, those babies born in poverty get none of their compassion once out of the womb either. I agree with Right Brain... It is simply an attempt for the many (most of them men who could never even comprehend what a woman goes through in this situation) to control the few. And it is time this was seen as the personal issue it is and stopped being used as a scare tactic wedge issue in political campaigns.

    • 1 year ago
  • blabHERmouth
  • rightbrain
  • stranger2315
  • rightbrain
  • stranger2315
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      stranger2315  
    • Well rightbrain
      I believe you've been feminized. Not that there is anything wrong with that!
      Women can certainly do as they wish with their lovely bodies, it's the human being inside her that is helpless and in need of protection from the likes of you.
      Nothing personal mind you.

    • 1 year ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • stranger2315:

      Wait a minute, YOU'RE the guy who emailed me to tell me I'm "carrying hate around" when you say things like this? Using language like "feminized" and "the likes of you"?

      Turn the finger inward, Stranger.

    • 1 year ago
  • div
  • charleskaj
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      charleskaj  
    • i am pro-choice i may not always agree with that choice,personal choices are just that they are personal.
      I may have to take a step back on occasion,and rethink a position but,whatever gets them through the day with peace for themselves

    • 1 year ago
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  
    • Okay Stranger, you really want to get into this one?

      Please don't pull that baby murderer nonsense here. First of all, we're both men. We have absolutely no right to exert our opinions on the matter. How many times has the government told YOU what you can and can not do with or to your body? I'm guessing perhaps very few, or none? Maybe even few enough to admit that you have no idea what it's like for a woman NOT to have the right to choose? Again, neither you or I have the right to an opinion on the matter. Yes fine, you're a father perhaps, but that concerns your children and your wife, not the entire species.

      And 'helpless human being'? Com' on, are you telling me that the total sum of life experience and achievement isn't the very definition of what it is to be a human being? Are you saying a blanc tableau has all the quality of a richly written novel or masterful painting? That the potential for something has more importance than the thing itself? Or maybe if it's a man right? Since women are property? Isn't that what you'd like to say?

      You would really rather put an undeveloped fetus' "potential" before the mother's personal and sovereign right over her own body?

      For clarity, I'm not talking about late term abortion, I'm not talking about partial birth abortion. I'm not talking about sick conservative tactics to scare the crap out people and humiliate women who may find themselves in circumstances where they may need that choice.

      Or how about the endless parade of unwanted and exploited children in the world? How about abusive parents of children who never wanted kids in the first place and are forced to participate in prolonged cycles of abuse, passed through generations?

      This isn't the middle ages. There is no shortage of people on this planet.

      What this issues boils down to; is the few who want to control the many. That's it. Indeed isn't that the root of politics?

    • 1 year ago
  • wholefreespirit
  • bptelford
  • bluestranger
  • stranger2315
  • sillywabbit
  • lulu81
  • synclaire
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      synclaire  
    • There is no such thing as "pro-abortion movement" you have pro-choice and anti-choice. That's it. And if these people were so concerned about Big Government you'd think they'd feel the same way about Big Government making choices for what women can do with their bodies. I thought he was really offensive last night. If you want to cut down on abortions increase education and contraception! It's that simple!!

    • 1 year ago
  • rightbrain
  • wholefreespirit
  • bptelford
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      bptelford  
    • synclaire:

      McCain was incredibly offensive on this issue -- I was amazed. I don't know why I was amazed, except that I felt like we finally saw the "Real" John McCain, and he's really scary ...

    • 1 year ago
  • cantucwearebrothers

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