Vanguard: America's Secret War With Iran (Video)
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tomasocarthaigh
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Great programme, shows Yankee hypocracy that they back the Kurds in Iran, and yet oppose them in Iraq and Turkey
- 1 month ago
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tomasocarthaigh
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Rezgar_Koey
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brave journalist. Thank you for bringing us reality, well done mariana
- 3 months ago
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Rezgar_Koey
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BigCat69
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It was interesting seeing a slice of Kurdish life. I sympathize with the Kurds, and hope they someday get a country of their own at peace with their oppressors in Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria. There was zero proof of the premise of the story, which is the alleged backing of these groups by the US.
- 3 months ago
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BigCat69
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ianakaeeen
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The war economy is here. It's just going to get worse.
- 3 months ago
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ianakaeeen
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niuzai069 [removed]
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TREBORUSMC
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ANOTHER WONDERFUL VIDEO REPORT FROM MARIANA. WE SHOULD NOT SUPPORT TURKEY BY GIVING THEM ARMS AND BOMBS AND SPY PLANES. WE SHOULD GIVE THOSE MONIES TO THE GUERILLAS FIGHTING AGAINST IRAN. WE SHOULD ALSO PROTECT THE GUERILLAS ANY WAY WE CAN, AND FIGHT AGAINST TURKEY ALSO IF THEY CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IRAN. MARIANA, YOU ARE ALWAYS PUTTING YOURSELF IN DANGER. AT LEAST HAVE A CHILD. YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT AND BEAUTIFUL. KAJ LOVES YOU AND SO DOES JESUS MY SAVIOR!!!
- 3 months ago
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TREBORUSMC
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abarutdesign
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The West have decieved and poisioned there own people by legalising and promoting alcohol as a luxury and now they are trying to spread the disease to Alcohol free countries such as Iran. How on earth does alcohol liberate people? What is one of the major causes of diseases today in the World? Wake up people
- 3 months ago
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abarutdesign
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Mikeysfake1
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abarutdesign:
Remember Prohibition?
- 3 months ago
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Mikeysfake1
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abarutdesign
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It is very ironic how America claims to be fighting terrorism when they actually support it at the same time. This is the greatest example of Hypocrisy. America might have the PKK on their terrorist list but they support them regardless, they don't care if they are "allies" with Turkey. All they want to do is divide and conquer like all colonial empires have done throughout history. America's goal along with all other European Imperialists for the past 100 years is to have complete control of the Middle East and supporting small rebel militant groups in the region is one of their low cowardly ways of achieving power in the region. The puppets such as the pkk and many others go along with it because it also suits their interests because they want to claim land for themselves. These terrorists aren't freedom fighters as they claim to be if they were they would only target authorities not innocent civilians as they do in Turkey and in Iran. And on top of that they call themselves Muslims. Under 100 years ago it was the same situation where this time Russia was supporting the Armenian rebels in Turkey, who were also killing civilians because they also wanted their own land. And because of the fact that those rebels lost and got deported, they made up a lie about there had been a genocide, where in actual fact the Turkish people were the ones who were being massacred. America is tagging on to this lie to support the Armenians today just as another strategy to divide Turkey and control the region. Same happened in Cyprus 30 years ago when the Greek Cypriot terrorists and the Greek Army were trying to ethnically cleanse the Turkish Cypriots, but yet again the Truth is being hidden by these European imperialists by supporting their fellow christians so they can meet their interest by dividing the region and controlling. Its funny how they say the West says it wants to promote and bring democracy to the region, when in reality all they are doing to bring this democracy is killing millions upon millions of innocent people just to get what they and what they want is not democracy. Wake up people, your OWN governments are deceiving YOU on every field, not just in world politics.
- 3 months ago
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abarutdesign
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JuJubeez
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Finally honest reporting! I originally started watching Current because Vanguard was more in depth than other news and had the footage to back it up. Please keep up the good work.
- 4 months ago
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JuJubeez
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LadybugLady [removed]
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I am sooooo tired of this story pull it already,Please! If we do have a war it will be because of outside f ing countrys and I don't think we should kill for Israel. I know this is not popular but F it.
- 4 months ago
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LadybugLady [removed]
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mstev63
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I think it's great if we are supporting them. It's about time we get some pay back for Iran's 30 years of supporting terrorism. Now all we need to do is insert about 100 green berets in the area to really get things going!!
- 4 months ago
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mstev63
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epaschold
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While I found this episode extremely compelling and informative (especially about how these guerrilla groups operate on a daily basis), the main premise (the proxy war with Iran) is based on speculation.
So the US offered its support to at least one nonviolent Kurdish group, and an ex-CIA operative holds the *opinion* that the US is supporting violent/terrorist groups. That's the bottom line, and it's irresponsible to claim that you've uncovered any sort of proof.
I thoroughly enjoy Vanguard and will keep watching. I just hope that viewers look at what's presented critically and the journalists at Vanguard will resist the urge to spin a story to make it seem more shocking.
The US offered support to a *Marxist* Iranian opposition group, and 20% of the members of the violent group are women? The story was interesting enough without the US-funded terrorist group proxy war claim.
- 4 months ago
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epaschold
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ogcmusic
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Amazing Pod... Makes Me Appreciate How Fragile The World Is, And To Live This New Day To It's Fullest
- 5 months ago
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ogcmusic
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kiawagirl
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To be honest, I dont know if i can conclusively say this is good or bad journalism, it simply is. but i do think it's pretty funny that people are saying it's such bad journalism, i mean unless we have some really awesome professional journalists making these comments, here. Last I checked I certainaly wasn't a professional journalist, so I'll just praise the fact that these reporters have a skill, not to mention a good-paying job that i don't. I'm not going to flaunt some superiority complex that makes me think I'm better then them and thus can judge their journalism as horrible.
- 5 months ago
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kiawagirl
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almfii
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What a great story! It is informative and quite compelling. The truth of such matters needs to be disclosed.
- 5 months ago
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almfii
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MilchMann
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This is yellow journalism plain and simple... I started to fillet the reporting point for point, but honestly it is not worth it, especially with how long ago this was released.
Irresponsible reporting like this leads to larger wars... you should consult history, the Spanish American war was a direct result of this exact same irresponsible BS. Do you think we need to provoke Iran any more? I am going to assume you do not... so why in the world would you produce this? Why would you produce this with such weak inflammatory evidence? What in the world were you thinking?
Someone else commented that this is why liberal media is viewed as anti-American, and i can not refute that, but more importantly, this is why other nations require their media to have approval before airing something... so that the buffoons do not exacerbate problems, or circumvent the actions being taken on them. In case you do not get it... It does not matter if you think that this is the right or wrong way of dealing with this, which to your credit, it is/would be the wrong approach... the only thing you will accomplish by reporting on it though, even if you had not taken a yellow journalistic route, is making the situation far worse.
Journalism comes with ethics and a great degree of responsibility, and you have failed miserably in both departments with this piece... and I have to agree with whom ever it was that said it first... this borders on the realms of treason... and at the very least breaks the ethical code that denounces the endangerment of others.
- 6 months ago
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MilchMann
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remanns
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MilchMann:
I very much appreciate that you posted that.....BUT,
it is not my take on the "spin and pitch" of this this I disagree with you on concerning this item, but we may have a difference in regards to valuing the necessity of the press TO BE THERE as an independent factor . This[ possible divergence of values] is in regards to my assertion that "WE"; "The World Polis", requires that these 'pain in the ass snoopers' SNOOP AND BABBLE more at less at will to be of service to the people of the world. You have to accept the inefficiency and counterproductive acts that crop up to attain the collective GOOD derived from "assholes nosing about where they don't belong". This is not meant as an argument in particular with your statement, but if it is of enough interest to clarify further,.... - 6 months ago
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MilchMann
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MilchMann:
"assholes nosing about where they don't belong"... I have to disagree with that...
The journalists, if you want to call them that took what was said to them and warped it significantly.
There is a very strong difference between paying people for intelligence and knowing what they are going to do with the money and funding terrorism. When the CIA funds terrorism... the terrorists start winning.
There are quite a few facts that Vanguard conveniently left out. The PPK has been at war with the Turkish government for 30 years, and has left somewhere around 50k people dead.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kurds1.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/kurdistan.htmWe are allies with Turkey and have been since the end of WWII, we have had a few turbulent moments, but they have remained allies.
http://countrystudies.us/turkey/90.htm
If Turkey is threatened by the PPK or its offshoots we will not fund them, we have great interest in preserving Turkey and our relationship to them. For one they are the only democratic nation in the middle east, and they are quite stable and influential. Secondly, they are pending approval to enter the European Union which would further cement their ties to the west and propagate their usefulness. Thirdly Turkey and Iran also have a rather strong relationship, and are both members of the ECO.
Really there is a lot to this story, and it was all disregarded to get a compelling piece on television.
If you really want to know about these things you should start by reading the Council on Foreign Relations independent report on Iran... it is only about 50 pages longs. It was co-authored by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Robert M. Gates (Defence Secretary of this country both now and when this poor excuse of journalism was produced). The report "Iran: Time for a New Approach" was written in 2006 and you will find that disbanding all Anti-Iranian groups, to avoid such obfuscations as what Vanguard has perpetuated here, was heavily emphasized... we have also succeeded in mostly disbanding the larger groups such as the Mujaheddin-e, but that fact was completely disregarded by Vanguard.
I have an extensive amount of personal knowledge of this area and the conflicts that infest it... when I said this was yellow journalism it was not an empty accusation.
- 6 months ago
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MilchMann
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josoc
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MilchMann:
MilchMann,
How has your "extensive amount of personal knowledge of this area" led you consistently refer to the Kurdish Worker's Party as the "P-P-K" when it's the P-K-K?? If you don't even know the name of the players, how can you possibly try to pass yourself off as some kind of expert on the game? Tired of people who sit on their computers all day pretending they actually know anything. At least, this reporter got off her butt and reported. We need more of that and less of the uninformed commentary.
- 5 months ago
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josoc
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MilchMann
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MilchMann:
Yeah, that would be called dyslexia... and the confusion of an acronym... it happens...
If you take the time to read the rest of the commentary, you will see that I supplied plenty of evidence for what I said and did not rely on conjecture.
To say "at least, this reporter got off her butt and reported," is exceedingly ignorant... people got off their butts to commit every atrocity that man kind has ever seen as well!!! If to be considered doing the right thing, you have to do it with integrity, and not warp facts and tell half truths to fit your cause.
You know what I am tired of? People who do not bother to pay attention to facts and instead are willing to defend anything at all cost if it agrees with their pre-formulated opinion. That down right pisses me off actually, and it seems that it is the only thing that the people in this country are capable of anymore.
- 5 months ago
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MilchMann
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AnotherEducatedWhiteGuy
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The Islamic region of the world seems so troubled but that's due to the so many different groups of people in that area and all of them have been fighting for control of eachother for thousands of years. I, for one, support the U.S. military's actions if, and only if, they are in support of bringing all the cultures in that area of the workld their own nation. In otherwords, the military should only be used to promote peace in non-negotiable circumstances. We shouldnt have even gotten involded in Iraq and taken out the government. We were only looking for the Taliban. I know Im not the only one who gets pissed off at the people in charge of the U.S. but if you want to fight a war with a country, DON'T USE PROXY ARMIES, USE YOUR OWN.
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dharmadogpictures
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very nice piece of work
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vicafri
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Amazing, love it.
- 6 months ago
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vicafri
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dsahin
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Good Journalism, Congratulations.
I speak Turkish and realised a slight glitch in translation; when Mariana speaks to "Chekdar" the PJAK commander of that particular area in Kandil she asks something to the effect " did you enter into iran to attack" , Chekdar does not want to answer and Mariana asks again" where do you attack" and Chekdar replies in Turkish "Wherever we are told to" ; not what the subtitle says " wherever we want to" ..I feel this answer makes the difference, considering the film is based on "US support" for PJAK
Regards - 6 months ago
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dsahin
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iamfree
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WOW...This is amazing..so much information i had to watch it twice...thanks alot, i can't wait for more:-)
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iamfree
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HeydonProwse
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Very good.
- 7 months ago
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WhiteNoise
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that money went toward something for sure ;)
CIA has Distributed 400 Million Dollars Inside Iran to Evoke a Revolution:
http://current.com/items/90305081_cia-has-distributed-400-million-dollars-inside...or was it just another lie ;)
http://current.com/items/90373072_cia-lied-repeatedly-to-congress-since-2001-say..."The CIA is a state-sponsored terrorists association. You don't look at people as human beings. They are nothing but pieces on the chessboard."
-- Verne Lyon, former CIA agent in revealing documentary Secrets of the CIA - 7 months ago
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WhiteNoise
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stevehochman
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I am not disagreeing with the idea that the US might, indeed, be fighting a proxy war with Iran, but it is EXTREMELY irresponsible of you to title this piece "American's Secret War with Iran."
I watched the piece and I think you did a good job as an expose, but - while the IMPLICATION is that the US is involved somehow with PJAK - you have provided NO PROOF.
Direct interviews with PJAK do not state that the US is supporting them and PJAK does not show up on the document you exhibit in the piece.
Finally, it is only Robert Baer's OPINION that the US is at war with Iran.
There is NO PROOF in your piece that the US is fighting a proxy war with Iran.
(It would have been much more accurate - and still as provocative - to call it "Is America Secretly at War with Iran?")
Ultimately, this fact discredits your veracity as a journalist - something that can negate all of the work that you've done if those who cover up US policies ever attacked your piece.
I would suggest simply retitling it so that the work truly represents the QUESTION you are raising instead of teasing your audience that you are providing a proof for an ASSERTION.
Stevre Hochman
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epaschold
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stevehochman:
Agreed. Well said.
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epaschold
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WhiteNoise
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NO MORE NEDA KILLING FROM EITHER SIDE !
MY TWO CENTS... WHILE EVERYTHING ENDS UP BEING POLITICAL... THE UNDERLYING & UNIVERSAL TAKE ON THIS SITUATION IS HUMANIST & FEMINIST...
WE ARE NEDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoZnlh3phbs
http://www.youtube.com/user/weareneda
http://neda.webnode.com/ - 7 months ago
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lifeofajaybird
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just watched this video. One comment sticks in my head, The young people in Iran want to be free! I guess there is a little more to the protest that are going on than voter fraud!
- 7 months ago
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lifeofajaybird:
Yes. They want the freedom to wear the clothes they want to wear and not what the government tells them. Watch this protest video.
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basketcase
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This was really intense........ it makes me wounder what else is going on.......
- 7 months ago
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basketcase
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StopWarProject
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You can stop war
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stevieuk
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real life tv
- 8 months ago
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Argan
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This is why Vanguard journalism is great. They show the truth wherever it is. It's the way all media should be.
- 8 months ago
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simpletoremember
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Most of us would be blown away by what goes on behind those "closed door" meetings
- 8 months ago
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mohsint06
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Why am I not surprised to see this.. Hasn't the U.S. learned from it's past mistakes of supporting terrorist groups in other parts of the world. such as taliban and al-quida in afghanistan.
- 8 months ago
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Savvy888
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Thanks Mariana. You are a BRAVE soul to go deep into the truth of this conflict.
I prefer Current TV to American mainstream media. Can you guess why? Current offers REAL News! Thanks Again!
- 8 months ago
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Cynic2
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When is the US gov't going to learn that the enemy of your enemy ain't necessarily your friend????!!!! We are going deeper into the Mideast/SW Asia quicksand.
- 8 months ago
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norml37
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Come on what about those hard hitting Octomom stories on every Cable News outlet, not to mention what used to be the big 3. LOL
- 9 months ago
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bombastinator
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Is there any way do do so much as move your damn mouse without the damn video dumping cache and restarting? ITS TOTALLY ANNOYING!
- 9 months ago
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bombastinator
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derk
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bombastinator:
Hey bombastinator. We just had a mini-release, and you may have been caught up in that. Sorry about the technical issues. Please reply to support@current.com if you continue to have issues watching this pod.
Cheers, Derk (tech support)
- 9 months ago
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AlbaKan
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Anche qui spariscono i video come su Youtube?
- 9 months ago
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AlbaKan
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kombizz
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Thank you for sharing
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FreeclimbFreeMind
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Another great Vanguard, Its interesting to see how our countries are willing to adjust their ethical values on terrorism when its in their favour.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Thanks to all the Vanguard team, you have finally managed to get me off my ass and into actually doing things that may make a difference.
- 10 months ago
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Abenghorn
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I'm glad you covered this. For some reason this doesn't get talked about alot. Hersh has written about it. It's been in the New Yorker, The Atlantic and on PBS's FRONTLINE and yet nobody seems to be getting the message. I'm not certain people care about the wars we are in right now across the world. Defacto proxy war in at least 6 countries. It's all related to energy strategy either for us or our allies as well. Disgusting. New administration, no "change" in strategy.
- 11 months ago
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dukeDurango
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Mariana Van Zeller: intelligent, beautiful, and ernest. I love Vangaurd, everyone is reporting on stimulating off-beat topics and issues. Topics and issues that are only off-beat because we have become accustomed to crap journalism. I'd like to say that Vangaurd is doing great things for CurrentTV, but essentially Vangaurd IS CurrentTV.
- 11 months ago
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kiawagirl
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im watching America,s secret war for the second time today and being the wife of a Marine whos already been to Iraq, the idea that my husband could be deployed again to another country in turmoil frightens me. But its worse to think that America could premote terrorism while claiming to fight it.
- 11 months ago
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ny_nj_soulchild
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Well i don't know what to say.
This country and other contries have put us through alot of shit...and what i really mean is the politics & the generals that want to see destruction. (My opinion* for anyone that has to curse me out for thinking this way...)
- 11 months ago
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snanders
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I love Vanguard. Where else can you get this kind of journalism where the news crew is abroad and talking to nearly all the types of people involved despite the obvious dangers
- 12 months ago
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inHisname
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Jesus is the only answer. no matter what the question. pray for our Christian brothers and sisters in these dark times. we are the hunted in the world of the eyes but as Jesus strived for "to be in the world not of the world". this is my only answer to survival.
- 12 months ago
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Cowa08
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They need Jesus to save them from the parochial attributes in America!
Vote Tammany! Native pride! - 12 months ago
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I have a good friend named Farhad who was thrown out of Iran two decades ago after the last Shah was over thrown. He has been living in exile in America as a man without a country. He lets no one know his true country of orgin b/c of the racism of his small Arizona town. I cannot understand why the world is such a dark place. Why must we all live like exiles even in our own countries? Why I am labeled as a terrorist threat by my country b/c of the books I read--- the very reason why my friend was thrown out of his country? Don't they realize that we all want freedom? We want love? We want understanding? I think artists and poets and women are the best hope for the world b/c we understand humanity. We appreciate beauty that transends politics and religious idolitry.
- 12 months ago
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If the USA is relying on the PJAK in this video then the USA should enter into diplomacy with Iran because the PJAK in this video can't even hold a village. How can anyone expect them to hold large swath of Iran?
- 12 months ago
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samiha
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at beginning of this video the map is wrong,,the map of Türkiye is not like this..southeast of Türkiye is our own region ...
yani soruyorum size kim bu haritayı çizme cürretine sahip!!!
Asla Amerikanın oyununa gelmeyeceğiz, biz Türküyle Kürdüyle beraber bu vatanı , Türkiye Cumhuriyetini kurduk ve de yaşatacağız...Biz bu oyuna gelmeyeceğiz!!!!
all turks and kurds are sisters and brothers, no one can change this..pkk or pjak are the game of america against tuks and irans..but we, as kurds and turks never believe to this gametheory..we are happy to live together!!!!!!just there is some provacation which is supported by US.... - 1 year ago
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remanns
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We -the United States- OWE the Kurds. We basically screwed them after making false promises and then hanging them out to dry. We should back them at every step. They have a much much better case for a state of their own than Israel. Besides,"the west" still remembers the honour of Saladin the Kurd. The mussulmaniacs of fundamentalist Iran have it coming!
RAH! Kurd women warriors! Rah! - 1 year ago
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When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? : Eleanor Roosevelt - 1 year ago
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invdrzim
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Hello,
Thanks for posting this. I randomly decided to watch Current TV one day and saw this during the Vanguard session.
It was a very refreshing, raw look at Iran & the US's relationship. I did not know how ignorant I was about relations in the Middle East (specifically regarding Iran) until I saw this. Thanks again to Mariana and her team...this was journalism at it's best, I believe.
-b
- 1 year ago
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Cowa08
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You guys are a bunch of geeks. and that lady is the approxy. she sounds like A quaker.
- 1 year ago
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vicafri
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Great work, I hope you guys can continue to follow up on this.
- 1 year ago
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vicafri
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Maybemike
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Good piece of journalism right here..
- 1 year ago
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darinK
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Showing videos of the techniques we are using in the middle of a war almost sounds like treason. We are in a global war against terrorism. We are officialy at war in the country this is being filmed. Propaganda is a tool of our armed forces. Not much is fair in war, it is horrific! Let our boys do what they need to do. They have great leaders who are morally sound. Mistakes will be made I just hope the media doesn't use these mistakes to undermine our troops by turning people against the U.S.
- 1 year ago
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I want to first and foremost praise your bravery. These words are not written for flattery, they are simply recognition of your work as a journalist and my observation that you are willing to put your life on the line in pursuit of answers. It is obvious that this project must have been important to you and I want to acknowledge that it was worthy of the hard work you put into it.
As a Kurdish American political activist and an expert in the field of Iranian politics, I couldn’t just look at this wonderful piece of work without an analysis. I know that when you set out on your journey to the Kurdish region, you already had a hypothesis. From what I understood, you were somewhat convinced that the U.S is carrying out a proxy war on Iran using Kurdish oppositional groups. In your report you set out to prove it. I think that often when we have a hypothesis, our thought process is skewed in that particular direction, and we dissect the facts in our favor in order to prove our point, but this very notion biases our report and can be problematic. The conclusion could have been entirely different if you had gone to meet PJAK under a different hypothesis.
The fact that the United States is willing to use any means at their disposal to achieve their ends is no secret. They use me as an expert in my field, you in yours. In a globalized world of information, we are only bound to be exploited as pieces in the chess game of high politics; however, that does not mean that decades of Kurdish liberation movement can be reduced down to CIA operations.
As a final note, I wanted to thank you for bringing this very important and urgent topic to the forefront of political discussion.Azad Moradian
Chair of Kurdish American Committee for Democracy in Iran- KNCNA - 1 year ago
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doithengiaorg
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While the topic that you pose is certainly interesting and uncover a fact that most Americans are oblivious to the story, the story certainly seems one-sided.
Iran has been at "war" with the United States since 1979 and the holding of our embassy personnel as hostages. This was an act of war, since our "soil" was invaded. The next shot at America happened with the death of 241 Marines in Lebanon which has been traced back to Iran through federal court documents.
The idea that Iran is killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq and we would not back up those undermining the Iranian regime is almost comedic in nature. We backed up dissident groups during the "Cold War."
Do you believe that we should only engage the enemy overtly and only with American soldiers? What do you think will happen to these dissidents if they do not receive some type of support?
What should we do with a country that has committed acts of war against the West and has been responsible for more American deaths through terrorism than any other country?
I applaud the report and the journey that you made but can you please leave the "slant" out of the reporting?
Thanks for great TV!
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we should send them AR-15s
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Go to liveleak.com and do a search for IED if your against the war on Iraq. There's a reason were there. There's a reason we can send American news reporters there. Because Bush invaded.
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Great idea for a pod, unfortunately no hard facts to back up the storyline. It seems as though you guys went there with a storyline in mind, and when you could not find factual evidence to support it, continued with it anyway.
While I would certainly not be surprised to learn that the U.S. would fund groups like PJAK, but one ex CIAs assertion that this is going on is simply not enough. Everyone interviewed on the front line of course denied funding, and without even circumstantial evidence of U.S. funding, the main premise of the idea is weak at best.
I do love the watching the Vanguard series and agree that they bring many stories to the forefront that are not being reported on. However, I would say that the title and promotion of this pod was misleading at best, and really not an example of good journalism.
Please stay on it though, I am sure there IS a story here, it just seem that this one wasn't fully developed yet. Keep pushing the envelope, just make sure the story has enough legs to air!
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Thank You!
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I would have to say that this is a fantastic video. However I fail to see the direct correlation with the u.s. supporting the terrorist group(pjak). I understand that if we were supporting them especially financially then their people nor ours would admit it. Its a great pod.
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Outstanding, independent news gathering, but should go farther. Take more time to elicit a response from the U.S. gov't, don't just quote paperwork and legislation. And why would a former CIA operative out his gov't in such a way? An axe to grind? Is he then the best source to use?
Flawed, but still fresh and interesting journalism.
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Wonderful piece. Brave and brilliant.
I'm curious to know if we are technically at war with china as well? If you extend the proxy definition to a few degrees of separation we are. Although, that could lead us to declare that WWIII has already begun. - 1 year ago
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Interesting, but more reporting needed. Taking rebel groups at face value is suspect. I hope there is a follow up.
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barbara3d
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You are very brave and this is very informative in its conception. However, everything is slanted against the USA when obviously people are expecting the USA to come to their aid from all over the world since we have the reputation of doing that. I don't think we can afford that politically, financially anymore. It is sad because so many people are oppressed in the world...China, Iran,Africa. We simply cannot save the world until we can save ourselves....
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zichi
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An excellent story and fantastic reporting......
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neocongo
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This was exceptional. I would either urge you, Mariana, to obtain some weapons training, or never, ever pick up a gun again.
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gorda
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It was a most impressive piece of work. keep up the good work. Portugal is proud of you.
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dianabettencourt
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fantastic pod, lesson of real journalism
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Alanisnotcool
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your pods are always my favorite to watch, and no its not because you're gorgeous =P
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pimpbot1979
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To summarize:
-There are small bands of Kurds with AK-47s and grenades in the Iran/Turkey/Iraq boarder representing a people frequently slaughtered by the surrounding nations.
-There are radio/TV/print news broadcasted from this region in solidarity with the democratic or marxist populist views of the Iranian youth.
-These disenfranchised Kurds, some of them exiled from Iran at threat of death, are either running missions to promote the end of persecution of women and minorities and/or running from the armies of Turkey and Iran and killing their soldiers when they are encountered.
-A talking head standing in front of a bookcase implies that this group of Kurds attacks civilians indiscriminately (based on their designation as a terrorist group), a point that is never even questioned despite no evidence of the fact by a journalist who actually joined their ranks.
-This same guy thousands of miles away also states in absolute terms that Americans are funding them.
Thus we assume three things contradicted by actually traveling to the region and meeting the Kurds 1) These Kurds do not have a just and noble cause worth the US supporting, 2) These Kurds are carrying out terrorist acts and 3) the US is financially supporting these Kurds.
What kind of conclusion is this by the documentary? If you are going to trust without reservation some talking head in the states, why did you go to the war torn region and actually meet these people in the first place? There is nothing in this documentary that actually supports the title of the program except one person's jaundiced opinion.
Therefore this is PURE bias and the reason the Left is considered anti-American by people with half a brain.
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Venizelos
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this is seriously the first time you people have heard of this?
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lindsaytalbot
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very interesting and well done.
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alexsimmons
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Amazing work as always D and M.
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sarahbelle
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Mariana, this was an amazing pod. you and Darren really put yourselves out there in very dangerous situations to bring us this report.
Thank you, keep it up and I can't wait to see the rest of the season.
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what in the hell was that??!!! it may have been a daring attempt ... but the title is completely misleading ... "Kurdish resistance against Iran" might have been an optimal title ... it did nothing wrt the title given presently ... this is just what we call "masala title"
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Terrible journalist work. No one on the camera confirms any financial aid from USA and no one can name anyone who got any financial assistance. There are no US soldiers there or arms. Support is political only.
Instead of looking how to bash US. Why don’t you go to S. Ossetia and see what Russians are doing to Georgians over there.
America has a lot of support amongst Iranian youth. Report about that and don’t make up stuff that no one confirms or has any facts to it.
Terrible work again. - 1 year ago
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togoni:
I agree that some of what you say may have truth to it but as for your comment about russia and georgia, the georgians attacked russia first. Yes russia is a powerful country with a bloody past but so is America, so dont condemn Russia for defending itself.
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togoni:
I'll bet you also believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny and your Fairy Godmother
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Perhaps I missed it, but I'd be curious as to who is funding Ibrahim's operation if the US isn't. It would be interesting to know which other groups are putting funding into groups like his.
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oryx_orange:
Thanks for your question, oryx_orange. Here is an excerpt from one of our interviews with Ibrahim where he explains where Komala gets its funding. You can also find additional information on the "America's Secret War" topic page.
http://current.com/topics/88847477_vanguard_america_s_secret_war
Thanks for watching!
Mariana - 1 year ago
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rafa72
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thank you for this episode of vanguard is amazing. i think we're making the same mistakes of the past; one should be enough................................
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quizads
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now THERE is a report. very informative. get this information out!
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littlesparrow
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stunning, breathtaking, moving, eye-opening, mesmerizing, poignant... really, there are not enough adjectives to describe this pod.
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Great pod. Vanguard is the reason I started coming to Current. The reporters and teams that make these pods bring actual news to the attention of the public and that makes them true heroes.
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I hold "Vanguard" work in as high esteem as the excellent "Frontline" series on PBS.
This episode represents why.
The more I know, the more I want to know and the less I have to fear. - 1 year ago
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damnneargenius
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It makes one wonder why other journalists aren't covering things in such amazing undercover depth. Nice job!
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damnneargenius:
other journalists have sold out to the corporations who employ them. There are other great journalists....a few. All these great journalists are to be admired and thanks. The others are Dahr Jamail (America), Robert Fisk (British), and John Pilger (Australian).
She is a great journalist...thank you.
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missnomo
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What an amazing job! Great work!
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missnomo:
Thank you for your support!
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ACrisisinAmerica
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Dear Americans,
I would like to propose a "NATIONAL STRIKE DAY" for every American that is able. I have heard France has been doing this with great success. Please let us get everyone engaged here and anywhere we can post this message or one of your own.
The Questions I would ask here are as follows: What day should it be and when and how often? Once a month to start or? I believe this would really give the people back their power in this country. It is time to take action! If we do not take some action now as our Declaration of Independence says we have the right and obligation to, it looks like our country will fall.
People are losing their homes by the millions, and jobs of course with it, and our government with the media's help are trying to hide it from us. They are going to let us just fall, we have to save ourselves, to many good people's lives are being ruined.
This is the responsibility of a free people. Be sure the world bankers have a diabolical plan for us and unless we truly want to be slaves, we have to do something. I am open to other ideas, or maybe someone is already doing this (I heard something). I plead with each American here on Twitter to get involved and support this idea, and everywhere else we can get this message out.
This will be a peaceful way to get our government's attention, while we take back our country. Trust me if George Washington and the many honorable men and women who fought our war of Independence were here today, they would have already taken action years ago, many years ago, and I doubt it would be very peaceful.
Thus, no one works until our demands are met. Start with say five or ten demands. So my idea, proposal is that Americans just go to the street, your city hall, or what is ever appropriate in your state. No one works until our demands are met. But absolutely No violence, no vandalism, no matter what please. That will destroy our honest political cause afforded us by our constitution. In fact, we should make, in my opinion that it is a very somber and quite sit in, almost complete silence until our demands are met, so they cannot try and intimidate people or arrest them unlawfully as they have been doing. I believe this is very important point, no conflict what so ever, just freeze everything. We are all allowed to stay home from work. We need to get employers involved obviously.
My list of demands start as follows:
1.) No more bail outs, but instead money is to be given directly to the American people.
I heard some experts are saying that this is the only real cure, some 450,000.00 to each American is the answer to our financial crisis. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?=263212.) Abolish the IRS, period!
3.) Reinstate our fourth Amendment rights.
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I hope others will give their suggestions. I would recommend we elect a board and thus work to organize our first AMERICAN NATIONAL STRIKE DAY, or if someone has already started this, please if anyone is aware of this let me know.
http://www.google.com/search?q=strikes+in+france&ie...
en-US:official&client=firefox-ahttp://www.americansinfrance.net/DailyLife/Strike.cfm
Sincere hope for our beloved nation,
Stephen PaineHere is Why we need a NATIONAL STRIKE DAY!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/end_game.htm
http://nonwo.blogtownhall.com/2008/03/26/tyranny_an_ame...
The Secret Rulers OfThe World, Bilderberg Group/Rothchild
You must watch this video if you care about your future and your families future:
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ACrisisinAmerica:
Go live in France. Stay away from US. Its doing much better than whole Europe together and will come out even better after this crisis.
keep your socialism and communism for France. - 1 year ago
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ACrisisinAmerica:
Amazing that someone thinks America is doing so well.....perhaps China told you so? America is mortgaged to China, and the American economy is impacting on our European economies.
Going on strike in these times won't help however.Taking back the power is a good idea however........the people have lost the power.....we are ALL being duped by our politicians.
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excellent pod !!! very interesting
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First off let me say thank you Mariana. Clearly you have put your life and well-being at risk to bring us this report.
Second, I want to say that I am opposed to the US government taking my tax dollars and spending them in covert operations without my approval, and this is truly the crux of the matter for most US citizens. Special interests have in many ways co-opted our government and public information is little more than a presentation of their pr spin on what they want us to know, or want us to believe.
I had a woman tell me the other day that her son, who is in the military in Iraq, told her that they often feel as if they are battling the US media more than the Iraqi people.
I think most Americans are tired and fed up with being manipulated over human rights issues. While I empathize with the Kurds desire for freedom, at the same time, I do not for one minute believe that our involvement in any Middle East conflict stems from a concern for human rights, but rather from a desire to control markets, and in particular, oil and energy markets. This is where the Bush administration has broken faith with the people of the US, and because of the multitude of lies and deception that have been fostered upon us in the name of little more than human greed, we have been denied the right to make informed decisions about how or where we are going to be involved with other people's struggles across the globe.
There has not been an open and honest examination of what is going on over there, nor have the American people been given the right to decide what is and what is not our business, ie. do we support rebels who are attacking established governments that are recognized by the people living under them? I think if our own government was honest with us, they know we would not support this type of intervention, and so, as in so much of our foreign policy, they use the puppet media to lie to us and cover their tracks.
Your report is certainly a step in the opposite direction, and we thank you for it.
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oneup
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I'm not sure what kind of "freedom" these fighters are fighting for, the freedom to drink alcohol? I thank Marianna for her bravery. May God keep you safe.
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I plan to read Robert's book because he def. has the knowledge but I would like to know more about his opinion of a course of action.
Thank you (again) Mariana and the Vanguard team for the risks you are taking to bring truths and enlightenment. Some governments wish to keep us ignorant and complacent but the more stories you guys uncover and share the more sparks you are igniting within us to act.
Keep up the excellent work and be safe.
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alexandrasupertrampa
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i wanna show you off
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Engaging, incredible, and brave. Thank you for bringing us quality, depth, reality, and raw guts. Amazing. Vanguard has my interest, support, and affirmation!
Peace,
danielmklopp~ - 1 year ago
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Danielmklopp:
I'm very happy to know that Vanguard has your interest, support and affirmation Danielmklopp. Thank you so much!
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tyler_manson
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Well done...can't wait for "Chinatown, Africa"...
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martabettencourt
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A lesson of very good journalism.
Bravo Mariana and Darren
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InformedTexan
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Absolutely brave, and even more so, relevant and brilliant. This is journalism at its best, serving the purpose for which it was originally intended.
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MarianaVanZeller
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InformedTexan:
Thank you for your comment and for participating in the live chat. It was a pleasure to answer your questions InformedTexan.
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Adumbration
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What an amazing start to an awesome season of Vanguard! I wish all news was like this.
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MarianaVanZeller
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Adumbration:
Thanks for your support of Vanguard. This is just the beginning of an incredible season which I'm very proud to be a part of. Thanks again Adumbration!
- 1 year ago
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swankgirlvenice
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Great investigative journalism. This show is amazing. I can't wait to see future episodes. Mariana, you are so courageous to travel to these remote locations and tackle these subject matters. Thank you!
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MarianaVanZeller
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swankgirlvenice:
Yeah, the rest of the season is pretty amazing. Thanks for your support swenkgirlvenice!
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Dalatias
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Mariana is an amazing journalist, she know's how to really get inside the mind of a great story. She's really give's Journalism a good name, bravo!
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This is pretty amazing journalism. Reporting from the people for the people. From this Episode of Vangaurd i find it something of great interest being here in the states and not there where these things can mean life and death. I still will however be neutral to all sides in these conflicts because everyone has their own truth. I can live to that. Good stuff, better than CNN for breakfast.
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thanks for sharing the secret.
great pod, guys. bravo! - 1 year ago
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MarianaVanZeller
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ohh_Donna:
Thank you ohh_Donna. We really appreciate your continuing support.
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This great and true journalism. You and Darren were in Damascus reporting on "Freedom Fighters" years before it got coverage in the so called "media".
I know its true and am torn btwn its benefits and negatives. One must look at the past and see that we were directly responsible for helping Osama against Iran in the 80's and do we really want to make that mistake in this region again? But at the same time its a great way to be a thorn without further hurting our already dimished image in the islamic world.
I wish all these different groups: kurds, other minority groups, women and young iranians could come together and be a force.
Thomas and Ciara
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