U.S. admits it held 12 juveniles at Guantanamo

I'm sorry, but I have a kid, and kids aren't born evil. They're taught it.

So the way to convince a child who's obviously been the victim of brainwashing and violence that America is just and good is to imprison them without representation and torture them?

Do you really think that children are being tortured?

Wow, really? "who cares if they're juveniles". Is that what you really meant to say? If so, you are clearly part of the problem and not the solution.

good ill make sure i give your mother a gun for christmas

This is very untrue.

Do some googling.

Rehabilitated child soldiers...
Where did you get this idea?

"Why does it matter,the US was attacked remember 9/11 our enemies behead Americans"

Yes, we remember. It matters because we strive to be better than the scum who attacked us. It also matters because we know, for a fact, that at least some of the people sent to Gitmo were sent there by mistake, and most have never even been given the opportunity to defend themselves against the charges that have never been made against them.

"Were they beaten,starved,torchered to death?"

Yes.

There are quite a few prisoners who checked into Gitmo that will never be checking out.

"The USA isn't perfect but never in our history have we committed the atrocity's that have been blantanly used on Americans"

What atrocities exactly are you talking about? If you are referring to things like beheadings, then I would argue that, while more gruesome, it's really no worst then killing someone with artillery or air strikes. If you are referring to the attacks on 9/11 then I will have to remind you that the United States is the only country to ever use nuclear weapons against civilian populations.

i think someone stated earlier that people under 25 years of age are incapable of thinking of the consequences of their actions. Besides, wouldn't you agree with Bin Ladin? 15-20 year olds would be fairly easy to sway with the (right kind of fear tactics and persuasive propaganda) because they are impressionable. 21-24 year olds would still be impressionable, but i would assume to a lesser degree as they are almost 25.

We are fed propaganda too. If it is fed to us right, we end believing in AND committing atrocities.

"Tell me, how should I feel about America and Americans?"

You should not judge an entire nation and its people based upon the actions of so few.

You are right.

But it is hard not to. I know there are a lot of great americans and that as a whole americans have good intentions.

Yet, at the same time as a whole they have the power to stop this and they don't.

They are supposed to be against this behavior and they are not.

When do we stop looking at america as an abstract entity and start looking at it as a collection of people who elect leaders to carry out their will?

When will the american people take responsibility for the power they have?

Americans are no longer told they have any power, they are complacent to the actions of our government. I wish that everyone I talk to about activism would have an optimistic outlook on it. Our schools teach our children to "sit down and shut up". This reflects on so many adults actions.Go to work, pay your bills, let the decisiions be made for you.......That is now the American way.

...but they are children nonetheless. Scientific research says that we are still incapable of fully reasoning out the consequences to our actions, how they will effect us and others, until the age of 25 or so. Men in particular. Ha

People who do vile things as children don't necessarily grow up to do vile things.

I'm not saying that they were innocent J Jammer but don't you think they deserve a trial to at least find out?

Don't you think they should have charges laid, access to a lawyer?

Human rights?

Let's face it, these are concentration camps not prisons.

Yes they do. They are more likely to be serial killer. i would like to think that a death is a death no matter who commits it. Meaning if a child kills your mother you're still upset no matter if it was a child or a twenty year old.

However the stories I know of children killers are pretty gruesome and they are just as deadly, if no more so, than adult ones.

I agree that a trial is what should be done. I just don't think children are forgiven just because they are children. People who say that have never met a vile child.

Are they more likely to do vile things as adults, sure. All of them don't, however. Don't punish someone for crimes you think they might commit.

You punish them for the crimes they did commit and it should be within context and take into consideration their remorse, if they have any, for what they have done.

You're assuming they're guilty of something, not just anything, but behavior that means they "deserve" to be incarcerated at Guantanamo. They haven't even had trials; they could all, in fact, be completely innocent.

I agree...try them for their crimes and punish them appropriately if convicted.

What I do not agree with is labeling them a "bad seed" for life because of decisions that they made as children. IF they do not continue the same behavior in adulthood.

Jammer, I think you are missing the point.

I'm not saying that children are angels because they are young.

Hell, we have all heard the stories of children doing evil shit.

But are you sure these kids are guilty? 55% of the inmates at gitmo haven't even been charged.

My point is that doing something fundamentally wrong to another person is horrible but doing something fundamentally wrong to a child is unforgivable.

We all get more upset by child rapists and child murderers than we do at people who do the same things to adults.

I see this in the same way.

Gitmo is not a concentration camp!

Don't forget the fact that even if they're given a trial, even if they're found innocent and set free, our government may still choose to simply keep them there indefinitely.

Let's hope President-Elect Obama will right these injustices and at the very least ensure proper trials for the inmates, speedily, so that if they are innocent they can be set free.

If found guilty, perhaps they can be moved to a less terrible place than Gitmo.

samthesixth,

Princeton defines concentration camps: a penal camp where political prisoners or prisoners of war are confined (usually under harsh conditions)

The term fits perfectly. They are help without charges or trial and tortured.

If you prefer I could call them illegal prisons.

Looks like its 12 year old boys now.

Terrorists who issue fatwas against all Americans. The fatwas issued refer to all American men, women and children. It's okay to kill our children because they disagree with our policies toward Israel?

Of course it is not okay to kill our children.

Only complete and total asshole would kill, imprison and torture innocent children.

Do you see what I', saying here?

It's fine to hate someone for doing something evil but when you do the same thing you are just as evil.

This is not abstract thinking. It's pretty straight forward.