Is 'The Club' Stealing America's Children? or Hang on to Your Kids, the County Needs Money!
source: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/browse_thread/thread/b58ab7f3b2bf8e34
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Stories similar to the breakup of Khila's family by child protectionagencies are echoed hundreds of times a year from Maine to San Diego and
Florida to Alaska. They are the stories off how a network of government
employees -- professionals, semi-professionals, power intoxicated,
little-supervised social workers and therapists -- that came to be known
by defense attorneys and victims of CPS actions as The Club, conspire to
remove - steal, some say - children from their families so they can be
adopted by strangers or shuffled off to foster homes, presumably for
little other reason than to generate billions of dollars in state and
federal money for local counties.
the Act set a whole new industry into motion. To accompany the
ASF, the President requested, by executive memorandum, an initiative
entitled Adoption 2002, to be implemented and managed by the Department
of Health & Human Services (HHS). The initiative not only gives cash
adoption bonuses to the states, it also provides cash adoption subsidies
to adoptive parents until the children turn eighteen.
The fact that this program is run by HHS, according to Moore, explains
why those who have become victims of child protective services get
little response from their legislators.
Show me the money!
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laryholland
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Simply put children need both parents. Check out the sample parental rights amendments for State and Federal passage at http://www.childrenneedbothparents.net. Parental Rights need to be respected and protected by all, including judges, legislators, and especially parents.
Lary Holland
http://www.parentalalienationhurts.com - 4 years ago
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laryholland
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justadad
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In my state, CPS has to have a damn good reason to take your children out of the home, and it has to be substantiated, corroborated, and well documented. Well this must be the ONLY state in America that has the statutes for this......Please let us know how this was done so we can ensure due process in the other 49 states.
"Slavery was once found a 'damn good reason' to sustain the Dole.
It's sick from the inside, less we obtain truth and reconciliation wagons, its likely a complete farce of the American (hell, even western civilization) chartered governance.
If your somehow suggesting your state being superior to other states; then where has been the voice of your state in the stellar halls of American democracy?
albeit, I do have to admit that your (I believe) former senator had been one of few to receive facsimile of the MAFAI. However, across this seemingly ray of light or hope; the esteemed entrusted sent a vote of absurdity relative the return of the incentive fuels to the sustaining the drips for hate.
Of course, in my opinion,
It should never pay,
To hate,
Discriminate,
Or Invigorate,
Ill-will.But, as you likely appreiciate,
Such remains the state,
Of "our" State(s),
On the Dole.This is your State on dough.
Any questions?-just adad
- 4 years ago
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justadad
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regjoeschmo
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In my state, CPS has to have a damn good reason to take your children out of the home, and it has to be substantiated, corroborated, and well documented.
Well this must be the ONLY state in America that has the statutes for this......Please let us know how this was done so we can ensure due process in the other 49 states.
- 4 years ago
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regjoeschmo
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unhappygrammy
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Is Hitler alive and well in CPS? I was sure we lived in America. That was until CPS and their judicial cohorts began the kidnapping of American children. America saved the Jews from the Holocaust. Who will save our families? Is there anyone in government who has the gut's to hold CPS and the courts accountable for their misdeed's, before "Family" as we know it is completely destroyed?
- 4 years ago
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unhappygrammy
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justadad
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unhappygrammy:
In MA, Ms. Barbara Johnson's good-works for casting light upon certain absurdities (even honoring sworn oaths and obligations at that) seems to have triggered a movement by the more enlightened and liberated spectacle of thee NOW more zealously invigorated for endeavors to a modernly lit "witch hunt."
Another loving parent and grand public servant and intellectual of MA even dared to venture forward with authoring a layperson's perspective of given corrupt elements within MA. The Almighty grovelers of self-licensed ventriloquism unto those of no ability to speak for themselves immediately "burned the book" with all-knowing "banning " as presumably being (of course, you can see this coming) in the "Best interests of . . . " (orwelian doublespeak flip) . . . self-interests."
Yes sir yeee, we've new Gods ins de town -- modernly postured adult babysitters of all-knowing astuteness to nothing more than self-serving euphoric administrations to Greed, to Power, to PC-appeasements, to self-congratulatory Peers, to More, More and More of the MORES, but of unacknowledged and irrationally rationalized irrational ignorance of insatiable urges for the MORES.
Yes, more house, More money, MORE Bling and MORE AMORE of the MORES; these addicts IV-mainline by ever increasing channels from IV-A, IV-B . . . all the way to IV-E. And the ultimate of Kingpins, astutely co-dependent with others of already sickening compromised scaring of green veins of/for vain pleasures over many a fortnight, continues the administrations of self-pleasing aggrandizement at casual expungance of others "excommunicated" via irrationally rationalized self-compromised perspective.
"So you can stick your little pins in that voodoo doll,
I'm sorry, baby, doesn't look like me at all." See, Leonard Cohen, Tower of Song, (including recitation "I'm crazy for love, but I'm not coming on") 1988.Perhaps,
[some may even] say that [we've] grown bitter but of this you may be sure, The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor. . . but I may be wrong . . Id., Tower of Song. - 4 years ago
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justadad
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justadad
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They want their,
They want their,
They want their,
NCP(s) - - - -Money for nothing,
And our kids for free.IV-mainliners,
when, where, who can you trust.As with many other addicts,
In absence of reform,
Re-affirmation of oaths,
Recognition of Rule of Law,
Re familiarity with certain (at least once recognized) Self-Evident Truths,
Respect for dignity of Children of the Almighty;It may appear, then, that bear necessity dictates that all thee tentacles of the Mighty White Elephant be suspect.
In other words,
We reflect merely in the danger of having condoned blatant undermining of important arms to Civil Governance -- i.e., yielding utter corruption, chaos and/or anarchy-like signatures.
But, some would irrationally rationalize with words to the effect of "ends justifying means." (i.e., so was slavery thus rationalized by the Unconstitutional Takers)
The delicate craft of irrationally rationalizing the dismissal of notions within God We Trust, Unalienable rights, and lessons of allegedly "our" western civilization -- ah, but it was all part of the evil patri. . . patriotic bequest put unto our guardianship.
Who cares anyway? "We" NOW know more of Needs.
But, lo, "we" do today now find of reflections of thee more stellar liberated enlightened within "our" more compassionate and zealot "postures" of compromised convenience.
IV-mainliners need be brought to light,
Not further rewarded.Yet, As with many an addict,
They rarely want less,
And often care little,
Of the victims of their crimes. - 4 years ago
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justadad
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alicynx
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Wow folks - before you jump to conclusions, I HAVE been in the system, and still owe money to the bastards. I DID go through an extensive CPS investigation, and YES, I have been in danger of losing my children. So back the fuck off for two seconds and breathe.
CPS gets the brunt of the hatred for an entire system that's broken, and sometimes its really not the one to blame. The article makes them out to be these greedy bastards that have no intention of helping children unless it increases the bottom line. What I'm saying is that its not that black and white, and that CPS caseworkers are not wearing black hats here.
In my state, CPS has to have a damn good reason to take your children out of the home, and it has to be substantiated, corroborated, and well documented. We have children here that are still with parents after six, seven or eight visits by caseworkers; and we have children ALL OVER THE COUNTRY who've died in the care of their neglectful parents because CPS didn't take them out of the home in time.
How can we have this both ways? Either these people are devils, stealing our children simply for money and to make us miserable, or they're not paying attention and because of that children are being killed every day by their own parents.
Before you start pointing a finger at CPS because of one wrong you've suffered, take a second and realize its not all about you, or your situation. There are situations where children do need to go into foster care, but for every DHS and CPS caseworker I've ever met, it is a last resort. - 4 years ago
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alicynx
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Bra1nk
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alicynx:
Alicynx, by saying it's OK what "They" are doing, allows them to pass the buck. "It's not my job". These people need to make a stand. In Florida, children have died in the "care" of DCF. These minimum wage case workers are easily coerced by Attorneys and the Judicial system. I have experienced it first hand. So, No, I won't back the f__k off. I'm sick of police telling me that "I'm just doing my job" when they come to cart me away for being behind in Child Support. That just allows them comfort. I am NOT about giving the system any comfort. This judicial system is corrupt.
Yours truly in Contempt of Court,
Bra1nk - 4 years ago
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Bra1nk
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saludevil
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alicynx....you are sadly mistaken. Child Services KIDNAPPED my 2 grandkids from a totally innocent dad. I have all the proof. The kids were held hostage so that their dad HAD to hire a lawyer ... when no criminal charges were ever filed against him.
Dad then had to follow their case plan of bogus classes with numerous agencies ....all which he had to pay for. He also had to pay child support to CPS.
It's all a corrupt racket to make money for everyone who's jumped on the CPS bandwagon.You really need to do a lot of research before you start talking about things you know nothing about.
- 4 years ago
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saludevil
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mammabear
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[Woah there, put down the pitchfork and let's talk like rational adults! lol]
Obviously YOU'VE never lost your children with the aide from and lack of concern by CPS.
~OR~ been refused help from CPS, because they already buried the evidence of abuse on your children, never expecting copies of this evidence to surface a few years later.
~OR~ Had CPS file false claims against YOU, Without even taking the time to interview you, basing the reports solely on the words of a hateful parent whose only intent was to never let you see your children again!10 years and counting here...
Have you hugged YOUR children today?
(if you have children)
I CAN'T!
So, rationalize and LOL that!
Oh...I don't live in Ca!
I know that there ARE caseworkers out there with good intent. BUT looking past individual people to an entire system, you see corruption. Well, obviously you don't...but I sure do! - 4 years ago
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mammabear
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alicynx
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Woah there, put down the pitchfork and let's talk like rational adults! lol
I have a good friend who works in the system, as well as family that are CPS caseworkers, and let me say that this simply isn't the case. At least not in Oregon, possibly anywhere outside California as it appears in this piece. This is an opinion piece here, and although they have two heart-rending stories to illustrate the cause, we simply cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater here. There is a lot of money being bandied about, sure, but the idea of taking a child out of their home quite honestly is the last thing these caseworkers want to do - that's why we constantly hear horror stories about 3 year olds with burns all over their bodies being dumped off at the hospital in the middle of the night, or 18 month olds shaken so badly their brains are mush. It just isn't the case that children are being stolen from their parents and thrust into a system that is all about the money. CPS caseworkers work very hard to ensure that the children they oversee are safe, and they never have time to cover all of them all the time! If the money is coming in, it stops in the higher eschelons and the incentive for caseworkers to act in such a manner - the one caseworker in the article must have alternative reasons for being the ass he is shown to be. Perhaps LA courts are all about the bottom line, but that's not how it works all over the country. They're pretty transparent; go to a local branch, hang out for an hour or so. See who comes through there. Visit with one of the caseworkers - take a peek at how utterly buried they are. You'll then understand why things seem so screwed up... - 4 years ago
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alicynx
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regjoeschmo
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The proof is absolutely obvious, just run a search of "title IV-D" and you will find many reference points to back up any disbeliever. Money is based on performance and our CPS agencies run it like a buisness with a bottom line meaning more than the well being of a child.
- 4 years ago
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regjoeschmo
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ciarabriana
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regjoeschmo:
don't forget to mention they also get "promotions", which is also getting paid more
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ciarabriana
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NCGirl6428
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In Yadkin County, NC, DSS has stolen not one, but two of my grandsons. It is all about the money they make from the adoptions. DSS doesn't even know how to abide by the laws. They do as they please, and the sad part about it is, the attorneys and judges go with whatever they say. My oldest grandson is placed with inbreeds. But the state is going to let them adopt my grandson. I don't know where the youngest is placed or what kind of environment he is in, but both of them need to be home with their family. That is where they belong!!
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NCGirl6428
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unhappygrammy
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NCGirl6428:
Contest the adoption. Do whatever you have to do to make it known you want your grandchildren, even if you have to do it Pro-se. Become a huge thorn in their side and don't give up the fight. I know I never will.
- 4 years ago
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unhappygrammy
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Steward2
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Do you really think they will read it,lol
They haven't read the Constitution,Bill of Rights Yet or have they just eliminated it from law school.The law has long recognized and respected the rights and duties of parents in the raising of children.
The Supreme Court has been consistent in recognizing the importance of respecting Parents authority in the raising of their children. Ginsberg v. New York, 390 U.S. 629, 639 (1968). Furthermore,
the United States Supreme Court has stated, "It is cardinal with us that the custody, care and nurture of the child reside first with the parents, whose primary function and freedom include preparation for obligations the state can neither supply nor hinder." Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158, 166 (1944).
http://homepages.udayton.edu/~kernsgee/d.htm - 4 years ago
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Steward2
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saludevil
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Stewrd2 wrote...
"- Slaves were very important to the Romans. Without slaves, the wealthy of Rome would not have been able to lead the lifestyles that they wanted to."And times haven't changed. We are the slaves of the wealthy family court system.
Perhaps we need to send copies of The Fall of the Roman Empire to every judge, lawyer and the arrogant judiciary.
- 4 years ago
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saludevil
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unhappygrammy
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saludevil:
The Judges don't read our files, petitions or appeal's. I doubt they'll read anything else we give them. Their too busy nodding off and blocking their ears to everyone but CPS.
- 4 years ago
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unhappygrammy
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mammabear
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A recent headline...
CPS!!! Give That Baby Back!!!
Only it don't stop at just CPS level, does it?
Funny how information is not available to 'protect the children.' Cover-up the corruption, is more like it! - 4 years ago
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mammabear
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Steward2
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Long before that,,does this ring a bell,
Slavery had a long history in the ancient world and was practiced in Ancient Egypt and Greece, as well as Rome.Roman slavery was not based on race.All slaves and their families were the property of their owners, who could sell or rent them out at any time. slaves looked so similar to Roman citizens that the Senate once considered a plan to make them wear special clothing so that they could be identified at a glance.
- Slaves were very important to the Romans. Without slaves, the wealthy of Rome would not have been able to lead the lifestyles that they wanted to.http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/roman_slaves.htm
Slaves were very important to the Romans. Without slaves, the wealthy of Rome would not have been able to lead the lifestyles that they wanted to.
Who were slaves? They were people who were frequently captured in battle and sent back to Rome to be sold.
However, abandoned children could also be brought up as slaves. The law also stated that fathers could sell their older children if they were in need of money.
A wealthy Roman would buy a slave in a market place. Young males with a trade could fetch quite a sum of money simply because they had a trade and their age meant that they could last for quite a number of years and, as such, represented value for money.
- 4 years ago
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Steward2
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saludevil
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Now you've got me started! How many other horrendous periods in history can we compare to child services?
Blacks being auctioned to the highest bidder.
Jews being burned in ovens.
Dracula impaling thousands on spikes.
.....Trafficking in children is indeed a crime against humanity!
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saludevil
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saludevil
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Child Services is a disgrace. They're the modern day witch hunters of Salem. History will look back to this time and be as shocked about the atrocities of child services as we are about the witch trials.
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saludevil
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Steward2
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The states have taken CAPTA used and abused it, so much so that they all have joined in as Mondale speculated, "expressed concerns that it could be misused. He worried that it could lead states to create a business in dealing[trafficking in] children."
It's a case of the fox guarding the hen house,or the tail wags the dog.Billions of dollars are distributed amongst them and any reasonable person can assume that once they got the taste of the Money there was no turning back,just produce more casualties,as long as it isn't them that are the casualties. - 4 years ago
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Steward2
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unhappygrammy
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Yes, they are stealing kids. Our children and grandchildren have become a huge money market for CPS. Caseworkers and CPS Lawyers perjure themselves in court to steal our children, because they know they can get away with it. In CPS' eyes, a parent is guilty even when proven innocent. Nobody will go after them for their misdeeds. The Attorney Generals office is on their side. Legal Aid and Pro-Bono services aren't even an option when filing a lawsuit against them is needed. Because their a government agency, your on your own.
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unhappygrammy
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