'Thousands made slaves' in Darfur
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7786612.stm
Now this sickens me. Many know me on here for yelling about Palestinian right and otherwise responding to inane commentators who basically are anti-islamic. But this, this sort of abuse disgusts me entirely. the Sudanese gov and their 'janjaweed' mercs should be systematically annihilated.That said, if the US were truly concerned about ending dictators and being moral authorities we'd have stopped this a long time ago (we've even acknowledged that genocide is taking place). That's why I'm as disgusted with US as I anyone. Shame on America, for letting this happen and hiding behind our facade of moral superiority. Shame on America for forgetting and turning its back on Darfur. Saddam had NOTHING on what is happening in Darfur.
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"Kidnapped men have been forced to work on farmland controlled by Janjaweed militias, the Darfur Consortium says.
Eyewitnesses also say the Sudanese army has been involved in abducting women and children to be sex slaves and domestic staff for troops in Khartoum.
Up to 300,000 people have died and 2.7 million have fled their homes since conflict began in Darfur in 2003.
Sudan's government has not yet commented on the allegations in the report, published on Wednesday.
The Darfur Consortium says it has around 100 eyewitness accounts from former abductees."
obviously, much more at link...
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Cynic2
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Arabs should be ashamed. Trouble is, they've forgotten their Black roots.
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Cynic2
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cantspascua
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Though I agree shame on us for not responding to the genocide that continues to plague many African nations in that particular region, however, shame on the United Nations to continue to drag it's feet on this issue among many others because of their lack of resolve to confront militant governments and their terror troops that wish to do harm to it's own citizens and that of other countries that border them. But there are other African nations that could interject their sphere of influence by using international trade sanctions to force a resolution of peace agreements
so international peace keepers could do something like protect the citizens. But as usual until those in the region speak up and not rely on the United States to solve their problems then nothing will ever be taken seriously by these regimes. - 1 year ago
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cantspascua
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arcticspirit
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Hey Kenny,
Mercs sound interesting, but...But the lefts get all upset when we send in Navy Seals or other elite to do covert missions to help change the tide in any issue, even in genocide.
First they say, yes, do it, we support you. Then 6 months later they condemn the very thing they supported and spew hate at the situation in such masses that we have found it's not worth the trouble of taking the flack from elitists in the left making a mess out of things they sanctioned, and didn't understand and then condemn.
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arcticspirit
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arcticspirit
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You can purchase a slave there for under $20. And it's been happening for years. I guess they ran out of Christians, and are making slaves of fellow Muslims.
Kidnapped men have been forced to work on farmland controlled by Janjaweed militias, a coalition of African charities says.
Eyewitnesses also say the Sudanese army has been involved in abducting women and children to be sex slaves and domestic staff for troops in Khartoum.
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arcticspirit
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arcticspirit
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arcticspirit
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Please. Don't you get it? There is nothing in Africa the world needs. Their coffee is nice but not worth dieing for.
I am old and this is nothing new to me. This has been going on in Africa for decades. Dar fur, Sudan, Rwanda, South Africa, Ethiopia, Libra, it goes and it goes.
If you care, if you can continue to care, it makes you weary.
I am not belittling what is going on.
My Religion resolves around some nameless girl in some nameless African country who starving, showing Kwashiorkor syndrome, flies clustered around her eyes, waits for some nameless salvation.
The world doesn't care, not enough, and I know of no way to make it. It haunts me. We are all guilty. "We are the world" made a few of us fill better for a weekend or so and then the news moved on and people continued to quietly die.
If nothing else educate yourself and continue to push. I haven't given up, but after decades of following the millions of deaths in Africa I am uncertain humanity will ever wake up.
Prove me wrong, please.
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timcat_blues
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arcticspirit
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timcat_blues:
They have diamonds, many precious stones.
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arcticspirit
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timcat_blues:
Diamonds aren't as great of an industry as oil though. People don't NEED diamonds like they NEED oil.
I agree, it's Africa... nobody has cared and nobody ever will.
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IMMININT
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starr111
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Unfortunately, I believe that it is more a matter of money. The military could use a war the public can support. It may be good for us, of course it would be good for these poor people. Iraq has cost us our "gardian" post and made us pre emptive war starting torturers. Unfortunately.
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starr111
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Cuddlebones
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This is extremely sad. That image is magnificent though. Shows true despair.
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Cuddlebones
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RCS
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It is all very well for so many people to say something must be done. However, it will take a military force to accomplish what has to be done in the Sudan. Just who is going to provide that force?
The United States is extended to its full capacity in fighting twin wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention all the various covert operations around the world against Al-Qaeda units.
The Europeans have adopted their typical attitude of "Please hurry up and quickly murder all those inconvenient people so we won't have to be bothered by watching about them on television anymore" just as they did during the Ruandan genocide.
Muslims around the world have shown no concern for their fellow Muslims being killed and enslaved in Darfur, especially as the killers are Muslim Arabs or Arab half-castes, and the victims are more African Muslims. Apparently, as long as the people committing genocide are Muslims, even if they are killing other Muslims, there is nothing wrong with it.
As for African nations, they have always tolerated genocide on the continent, be it in Equatorial Guinea, Uganda, Ethiopia or Ruanda. Id Amin Dada was only toppled because he got into a conflict with Tanzania. The track record of African states is to do nothing.
So, once again, who is going to provide the military force--and it will take troops with support to back them--to quell this conflict?
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RCS
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RCS:
Nobody will do anything.
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UrbanGypsy
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arcticspirit
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RCS:
And the left freaks anytime we send Navy Seals or other forces in for a covert mission that puts the balance in favor of the ones being slaughtered.
First they agree and say it's great, go, do it.
Then 6 moths later they condemn the very people who sent the men, the men that put the necks on the line and we are left saying why bother?
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arcticspirit
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RCS:
I'm sorry Arctic, thats the dumbest comment I've ever heard.
If we sent in Navy Seals you wouldn't know it in the first place....
Furthermore, nobody was for Iraq except ignorant right-wingers.
Iraq is the equivalent of being punched in the face and stabbing the guy standing next to your attacker.
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IMMININT
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What is the deal with Africa that it still has slavery, when it's the African Americans you hear bring that up occasionally as if the current demographic (18-34) was even alive during the time much less even during any type of segregation?
Wait, sorry for the rant, but isn't this a little ironic?
In a very tragic way. Why do those people treat each other so badly? Where else is it a problem? WHY?
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damnneargenius
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Kepano
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Many African Countries face many similar problems, this is not a new issue, Genocide and Violence against people there have been going on for some time now; Zimbabwe, Somalia, DR Congo, Camaroon, South Africa, you name it. America needs to help every country? I am not a proud American by choice, but assimilation from the Illegal Provisional Government support the United States Military, but REALLY, THAT IS WHY AMERICA IS BROKE BECAUSE WE HELP EVERY COUNTRY WITH THEIR PROBLEMS.
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Kepano
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nessie00
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Very few people realize that slavery was started by the africans who enslaved their fellow man for profit. This has been going on since the beginning of time. It must stop!
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nessie00
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Saddam had nothing on what's happening in Darfur. Darfur also has nothing when it comes to oil and possible business expansion capabilities for the U.S.
It will take another Rwanda for the U.S. to really care. Hopefully, Obama keeps good on his promise and does something about it.
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UrbanGypsy
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The worst thing is that the United States doesn't even have to send in ground troops to stop the violence. The US can simply engage in an air campaign similar to the one carried out in Bosnia to target the janjaweed militias.
The only problem is that no one cares about Africa. If the same thing had been happening to white people in Europe, I assure you something would have been done.
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UrbanGypsy
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RCS
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UrbanGypsy:
This simply is not true. The United States and Europe stood by and did nothing whilst genocide was being committed in Bosnia against "white people in Europe" with every atrocity from concentration camps to mass slaughter to indiscriminate bombing of civilians to rape camps being practiced there.
It was the Croatian army that finally brought the Serbian forces in Bosnia to heel, not any international force. The Serbs did not agree to a peace deal until they had been forced back on the battlefield by the Croats.
NATO did finally step in and move against Serbia when it began to commit the same sort of crimes in Kosovo, but that was after the Serb extremists had already pursued genocide in Bosnia for years.
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RCS
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UrbanGypsy
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UrbanGypsy:
How about we look at a timeline:
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War begins in former Yugoslavia
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Peace treaty between Bosniaks and Croats arbitrated by the United States, Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina formed
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Srebrenica Massacre reported, 8,000 Bosniaks killed. Followed by:
The 1995 NATO bombing in Bosnia and Herzegovina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NATO_bombing_in_Bosnia_and_HerzegovinaThe bombings result in the Dayton Accords.
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Serbia recognizes Bosnia and Herzegovina
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War breaks out again in Kosovo between Serbian forces and ethnic Albanians... followed by:
The 1999 NATO Bombing of Yoguslavia during the Kosovo conflict http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NATO_bombing_of_the_Federal_Republic_of_Yugosl...
What do you mean they stood by and did nothing?
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UrbanGypsy
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RCS
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UrbanGypsy:
I see that you have done your homework. That is actually good to see on Current, as ofttimes commentors don't do that all. So, I will try to address your point.
The Croatian army launched its series of offensives in early August 1995. Within Croatia itself, the supposedly invincible Serb military machine turned and ran. Then, the Croatians moved to assist their Bosnian allies with Bosnia against the Serbs.
For about three years, the West had stood by and done almost nothing to curb the genocide in Bosnia. The scandals of the massacres put pressure on the governments to do something, but it was the Croatian offensive that gave NATO the greenlight. All of a sudden, it became apparent that the Serbs were not unbeatable.
So, in late August a limited bombing campaign by NATO was begun. However, the real fighting was being done on the ground by the Croatians and the Bosnians.
This joint action did lead to a peace agreement in Bosnia. However, it came too late to save the lives of all the Bosnians who had already been murdered.
The West and NATO did react more quickly to the genocide that was started in Kosovo, but even there it was well underway before the West acted.
So, that is what I mean by saying that the West stood by and did nothing. The genocide in Bosnia could have been totally averted had the West acted immediately at the first signs that it was occurring.
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RCS
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Zurama
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An the UN being as useless as always!!
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ssppeencceerr
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i hate this situation so much.
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kennymotown
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This is were mercs are needed.
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arcticspirit
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kennymotown:
But the left get all upset when we send in Navy Seals or other elite to do covert missions to help change the tide in any issue, even in genocide.
First they say, yes, do it, we support you. Then 6 months later they condemn the very thing they supported and spew hate at the situation in such masses that we just don't do much of that now.
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arcticspirit
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arcticspirit
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kennymotown:
But the left get all upset when we send in Navy Seals or other elite to do covert missions to help change the tide in any issue, even in genocide.
First they say, yes, do it, we support you. Then 6 months later they condemn the very thing they supported and spew hate at the situation in such masses that we just don't do much of that now.
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arcticspirit
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arcticspirit
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kennymotown:
Hey Kenny,
Mercs sound interesting, but...But the lefts get all upset when we send in Navy Seals or other elite to do covert missions to help change the tide in any issue, even in genocide.
First they say, yes, do it, we support you. Then 6 months later they condemn the very thing they supported and spew hate at the situation in such masses that we have found it's not worth the trouble of taking the flack from elitists in the left making a mess out of things they sanctioned, and didn't understand and then condemn.
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arcticspirit
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csmonut
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The videos here are quite good. The 4th one down tells much about WHY things are happening to the people of Darfur
http://current.com/items/89618726/darfur_conflict_ravages_environment.htm
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csmonut
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cerealforeal
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I can't see how the situation in Darfur could have extended past a full year. Do the world's elites not care that much?
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cerealforeal:
The situation has been going on there for a least 3 years, that I know of.
How long before that? I don't know.
No....the world's elite do not care. - 1 year ago
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csmonut
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ash_theory
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cerealforeal:
It's ben going on in some form for much longer than that it is just now in a state of crisis in the past three years
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ash_theory
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csmonut
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Everyone has suffered in Darfur. This has been going on for a few years now, and the west is beginning to wake up.
Or maybe those in power are brginning to take notice that the people of the world are beginning to notice.
Darfur is a long and complicated story.
Check this link from the other day, posted here on Current by JanforGore.
http://www.enn.com/health/article/38832 - 1 year ago
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csmonut
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jh64487
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dude, genocide is being committed. the AU went in to try and resolve it. they needed 12 helicopters to protect the southern portion.
no one could spare 12 helicopters to stop genocide.
i realize iraq has made us all callous, but this isn't us feeling all morally superior and fighting some unknown enemy.
we fight the islamic militants and the sudanese army. we don't have to depose the government, we just have to crush it's military power and insure the janjaweed is crushed as well.
it's not like the afghan mountains, there is nowhere for the militants to hide from mechanized troops, it would be cake walk.
again. GENOCIDE, HOLOCAUST RWANDA.
christ
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jh64487
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jh64487:
It would not be a cakewalk, you obviously have no clue. If it was a cakewalk then why didn't the UK or France do it long ago?
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jh64487:
True, they are not neck deep in 2 wars at the moment.
And the USA isn't cure for the world, as much as we wish we could be.Besides the Left doesn't like it when the president sends in special forces of any kind to do work to stop things such as this.
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arcticspirit
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What should the US do? Send in troops? Who do we fight? Will killing the killers stop, or prolong, the killing?
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stopnoise
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Want to really help? Be a volunteer for a week or for a month. Pick up an airplane and join any of the communitarian missions in Africa. You also can send them money, I am sure they be thrilled with it. Every little help counts.
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stopnoise
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ash_theory
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stopnoise:
I am going out to Kenya and volunteering with an orphanage for a week in the summer, I couldn't be more excited.
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ash_theory
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arcticspirit
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stopnoise:
cool. Only a week? that's not long at all. But enjoy your time there.
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arcticspirit
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ash_theory
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It is our right as a Human to help no matter what
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ash_theory
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jh64487
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here's the difference. this has been acknowledged as genocide.
WE ARE OBLIGATED TO STOP GENOCIDE!!
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jh64487
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jh64487:
Yes, it is genocide and I agree, and do you understand why we won't do anything but express carefully worded diplomatic outrage?
Because thanks to the costs of two invasions, then two occupations, Iraq and Afghanistan, we cannot afford to annoy the Chinese [they have money - we don't] who are running their satellite state, Sudan, and its oil pumps as they see fit.
Maybe if the bidding had been open and honest China could have bid for fat Iraqi oil contracts and been satisfied - we made sure that door was closed. We wanted it all.
Now, thanks to a white collar crime wave more vast than anything ever seen in history, we've suddenly discovered that this isn't going to be The New American Century, that we aren't a global power, and that between now and whenever - if ever - we dig our way out of this hole, our military is not available to rescue Sudan, or Burma, or Tibet, or who knows where else?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/29/AR2007012901686....
"THE DARFUR crisis has demonstrated the limits of U.S. influence. President Bush and administration officials have described it as genocide and pushed intermittently for sanctions, peacekeeping deployments, and a deal between Sudan's government and its rebel opponents, but their efforts have been hampered by the hesitancy of other players.
Sanctions resolutions in the U.N. Security Council have been delayed and diluted because Russia sells weapons to Sudan's government and because China has a large stake in Sudan's oil.
Efforts to deploy a serious peacekeeping force have been undermined partly by foot-dragging within the Security Council, partly by the indifference of Sudan's Arab neighbors to the suffering of Darfur's Muslim victims and partly by the ambivalence of the African Union, which has veered between brave efforts to supply soldiers and a misplaced deference to Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir."
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stopnoise
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We have been paying attention too much to international issues to the dangerous point of forgetting or denying to resolve ours. I totally sympathize with what is happening with other Countries, but like Nancy said, we need to resolve what is wrong with ours first. When you flying a airplane, the instructions are clear from the flying attendants and the first response emergency book. Pick up your oxygen mask first then get your child or those in need their mask.
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Put a Contract out, just as we did in the late 80s with Executive Outcomes, who stopped a Sierra Leonian Genocide. When they were forced out because of fear, thanks to the UN the genocide continued.
You CAN regulate it, and this is the only way we can have any effect in the many turmoil filled zones in Africa (Read up we are doing it now). The UN needs to step aside and get rid of the politics, and actually get the damn job done.
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Sypheros
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Nancyf
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This is terrible. But I have to say, if we don't get our own country straigtened up, there's no way we can help anybody else out.
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Nancyf:
Our country may have "problems" of our own, but that in no way means we should just watch as others die and others suffer. That is just an excuse this country has come to because they don't know how to help.
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