14 more children killed as Israel uses cluster and phosphorous bombs

// added January 05, 2009 // 115 comments //
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WorldPeaceTV

more from News and Politics:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestin...

Israel is using Phosphorous Bombs (http://liberaljournal.blogspot.com/2006/07/chemical-allie.html)
as well as cluster bombs (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/04/israel-cluster-bombs/) on civilians, the same bombs used during the Lebanon war that the United Nations and other government entities has deemed weapons of mass destruction.

I would put the pictures up, but they are highly graphic images of children and adults that look melted, and with flesh on their limbs burned off to the bone.
Here are some links, but beware, highly graphic:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/images2/white_phosphorusbone.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/daveclarkecb/NewPhotos/VictimOfWhitePhos.jpg
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/uploads/1/cluster-bomb-victim-483.jpg
http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/cluster-bomb.jpg

Here is the story:
Israel seized control of high-rise buildings and attacked houses, mosques and smuggling tunnels as it pressed its offensive against the Gaza Strip's Hamas rulers on Monday, while the U.S. joined a stream of countries pushing for a cease-fire.

At least 14 Palestinian children were killed on Monday, raising the known death toll from the 10-day onslaught to 540 — including 200 civilians, the U.N. and Palestinian officials said. Gaza's biggest hospital said it was overwhelmed.

From Gaza, Hamas continued to pummel southern Israel with more than two dozen rockets on Monday and promised to wait for Israeli soldiers "in every street and every alleyway."

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the offensive would go on until Israel achieved "peace and tranquility" for residents of southern Israel.

After a week of air strikes beginning Dec. 27, Israeli ground troops invaded Gaza late Saturday. They quickly seized a main highway in Gaza, slicing the territory in half, and on Monday, Israeli forces pounded houses — one of them belonging to a leading Hamas member who was not there at the time — a pair of mosques and smuggling tunnels.

Israel has attacked several mosques during the campaign, saying they were used to store weapons.

More at the link, and the stories on evidence of these weapons are at the links provided in the beginning of this post.
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115 comments // 14 more children killed as Israel uses cluster and phosphorous bombs

  • Wang111
  • TheDodge
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      TheDodge  

    • Have you ever been somewhere and had a group of little kids playing together? They may ask a few questions if somebody looks or talks different but it never stops the fact they want to play and have a good time with each other.......what happens to us?

    • 1 year ago
  • IMMININT
  • IMMININT
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      IMMININT  

    • I think the saddest part of all of this is the obvious misinformation on both sides of this arguement. (I'm no historian myself) Nevermind the fact that people on this site are arguing passionately on the same topics with the same opinions that are getting people killed right now.

      And this is ultimately the problem. Nobody will tell the truth because neither voice on either side is backing down.

      I personally feel for the Palestinians for this reason:

      If your family lived on land for thousands of years, and then one day Israel was formed on your land and you were being forced out... how would you feel?

      The palestinians were forced to fight back in order to prevent themselves from becoming second-class citizens when "given the option to remain on their land". I think something similar was going on in America called the civil rights movement within the same 20 year span. The people who broke their backs to build this country were only second class citizens and had to fight and still fight to this day for equality and justice.

      So to put even further into perspective. I think we can all agree that the Native Americans were completely wronged in every sense of the word.

      Forced from the land that was theirs onto "reservations," with the option to remain where they were if they assimilated into the New American Culture. But they went out with a fight and lost. With the UN backing the creation of Israel post WW2, I'd say this basically speaks the same notion...

      You don't believe the lies our Gov't has created, so why would you believe the lies that an Ally has created to demonize the palestinians....

      Fall in or Fall out. Welcome to the still building New World Order centuries later...

    • 1 year ago
  • jubal
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • Israel is practicing over kill and has been since the conflict started with the Palestinians. There is no justification whatsoever for the excessive force with which they have retaliated.

    • 1 year ago
  • jubal
    • 0
      jubal  

    • Why do we keep getting conflicting reports of exactly how many civilians, women, and children have been killed? Does it have to do with the source of the information that gives us the conflicting numbers?

      On NBC just yesterday I heard that hundreds of civilians have been killed, while here on Current I heard that only 13% of those killed were civilians or in other words 64 civilians.

      Who decides on Israeli side who are the Hamas combatants and who are the civilians? Who decides in the international community? Who decides for the Palestinian people?

      I think somewhere someone is outright lying. The numbers and reports just don't add up.

    • 1 year ago
  • UrbanGypsy
  • damnneargenius
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      damnneargenius  

    • Damn, I make a lot of mistakes when typing in the dark with one finger while trying to watch what passes for thr "modern propaganda of history".

      So to which religious end are we fighting?

      So then, why do we care?

      If you are THAT much more powerful than someone, you needn't use more a demonstrative token amount of force just to prove what you're capable of.

      You have a preset, here's what you're gonna lose if you try to fight, versus a "here is what we're legitimately ready to present and debate on the world's stage".

      Now then, how do you weight things proportionally?

      Why would you want to?

      Why can't science dictate some "best-practices" honest-to-God courses of action in life. Fine, as long as they tolerate a non-destructive level of behavior from others.

      Don't fire toy weapons at people unless you want them to over-react. Is your plight really that bad?

      Maybe the former Jordanians need to borrow the gay propaganda machine. I mean, we're fighting for freedom and equal rights right?

      God...you must be crazy or this shit wouldn't be happening. What's up with the man-made split personalities? That's a man-made construct?

      Hey, I think I found the problem ya'll.

      Human internal behavior and thought management issues. The catch with self-designing lifeforms is, they self-design differently. So design in different directions, especially when programmed that way.

      Hey, get the f out?

      So, if you've been programmed, you are quite possibly in or have been in the wrong before, but non one bothers to mention that, but deny who you truly are will often cause you to forget.

      It's understandable, but the goal is to engineer and modern present and future. Stop living in the past, at some point, you might have to reset or die?

      See, people have a hard time resetting to something that has treated them in an "evil" way. It doesn't mean you're all evil, people people's behavior and decisions do have effects on others, and in that regard,everyone that affects them is guilty and affected and an affector as well.

      Hmmm...would you believe the word "affector" isn't a word according to the spellchecker.

      You're affecting the effects Mr. Affector.

      Please pardon the creative writing outlet.

      Ha.

    • 1 year ago
  • Angel4truth
  • UrbanGypsy
  • IMMININT
  • chosen
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      chosen  

    • worldpeacetv, i think you unjustly support Hamas. Could you please explain why you support Hamas? They only truce that Hamas will settle for is the complete removal of all infidels from the land of israel. Is that what should happen? How about you provide some answers rather than constant anti-israeli ramblings? Also, have you ever read passages from the koran?

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
  • GANDHITRON
  • damnneargenius
    • 0
      damnneargenius  

    • Does it say anything about spelling and relative age?

      It's about mindset and exposure, not a chronological time line in God knows what envionment.

      Religion will shield you, unless used improperly.

    • 1 year ago
  • mutedmajority
  • bcmill66
  • damnneargenius
  • Angel4truth
  • damnneargenius
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      damnneargenius  

    • I'm afraid to even read that, because it is blatantly phrased with extreme bias. Being someone who works in marketing, I realize, that anyone who is playing fair, brings all sides to the table, because nobody here is completely innocent according to the "nationalist blame" model.

      What century is this?

      The propaganda is so anti-propaganda it's hilarious.

    • 1 year ago
  • damnneargenius
    • 0
      damnneargenius  

    • Then just go in all justin.tv LIVE on 'em.

      Although when you die on camera, people might consider you stupid martyr for the truth.

      The ability to communicate instantly internationally is as much of a tool for peace as it is a weapon right

      Suicide bomber or substandard chance to appreciate living?

      Tough call eh, well, it's not the Israeli military is stopping the reporters with force. Just airdrop some videocameras on my behalf and then we'll try to explain how human behavior can become so tragically twisted.

      The only thing being accomplished, is giving everyone involved PTSD.

      Hey, thanks for f*cking up the world everyone!

      Where do the blanket stereotypes start and end? Because words these days are worthless from people who cannot and should not try to back them up with more words.

      We need to put a ban on "Casey Anthony-type" behavior right?

      Considering what the Nazis allegedly did in WWII, it's hard to fathom this scenario existing if all the propaganda is true.

      Ha.

      I just said "propaganda is true".

      Funny story, there I was getting re-educated on history by History Channel International last night. They had on a series of documentaries about the German General Rommel. Very interesting story about how he was fighting just because he was taught to fight, but when he realized what he was fighting for, he directly refused the orders.

      Wow, at some point you would think communication technology would kick in for the better. What if propaganda was instantly considered illegal?

      So, yeah, back to the point, war is stupid and inhuman, but understandable because everyone seems to view things through different WTF prisms.

      Dear media, perhaps you should try a class-action law suit for profits lost?

      That would be a funny sitcom huh?

      If I were them, I would get more advanced broadcasting technology and make SURE you are pleading pity using the TRUTH not your self-serving, twisted version of it.

      Hey, it's human nature, until it starts robbing and killing because of programming "diversity". We need to give people a shot at legimate, reasonable programming before we write them off as one thing or another.

      We're all in this here Earth boat together, but I don't get involved until the FCC de-bans "bad" words because at this point it's just insulting how there are THERE right between the fu---bleeeeeeeping lines.

      Are kids really supposed to be that stupid?

      Yeah, you're not in denial either.

    • 1 year ago
  • Angel4truth
  • FallenMorgan
  • Angel4truth
  • oblivious
  • Angel4truth
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      Angel4truth  

    • This link is old and misleading. WPTV, and Others, if you are going to refer to something happening, use a creditable source that is not 2 years old.

      And stop trying to foster hate, it's like a horde of maggots on this board, sickening.

      BTW Congrats on getting your HATE in the TOP 4... is another example of someone who may have had good wishes at the start, and has an an agenda now?

    • 1 year ago
  • mutedmajority
  • iloveravi
  • chosen
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      chosen  
    • Angel4truth:

      Most of this is hate speech. Why do they want Israel to lose? Tell me why. What could the world gain from letting the terrorist group known as Hamas continue to exist? By the way, just watch the Hamas videos on you tube and al-aqsa TV, they are sickening. They send 4-5 year old children to terrorist training camps. And yet some of you still want them to succeed? I don't understand this.

    • 1 year ago
  • Angel4truth
  • Vierotchka
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • Image...

    • We keep dedicating images to show our concern to all the innocent victims of the Gaza war, and to their families on both sides of the wall.

      So they know.... They are not forgotten.
      I hope one day they know people in America did care.

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  

    • I guess that Jews bombed the World Trade Centers? I suspect that 100% of these victims were innocent. The silence of the corrupted Muslim World has defined their position of Justice in God's Eyes!
      They now hold no position of authority in God's eyes, due to their silence! They have condemed themselves!

    • 1 year ago
  • oblivious
  • MoonLoon
    • 0
      MoonLoon  
    • MoonLoon:

      At least I now understand why you are, "Oblivious".
      Do you have an intelligent response, or are you afraid to discuss the facts?
      I guess you claim that the "Jewish Conspiracy" bombed the World Trade Towers to make the Muslim extremists look bad.
      Hopefully, we can one day isolate a vaccine to neutralize the gene of ignorance predominating in the "haters of their brothers"!

    • 1 year ago
  • vladrath
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      vladrath  
    • MoonLoon:

      MoonLoon at the very least oblivious can buttress his arguments with some sort of facts instead of relying merely on conjecture. And the people killed in the trade center, some may have been Jewish but I assume most or all were Americans, regardless of their religion. I for one do not believe that Israel would go to war for the United States, and it does not seem like they are going to war against the Palestinians for anything but their hatred.

      Anyone who goes to War for religious purpose has no more claim to being peaceful and standing up for the pillars of their faith. They are using religion as a pretext to stage a war against others they hate and led on only by their greed.

    • 1 year ago
  • RonenA
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      RonenA  
    • MoonLoon:

      This is not a religious war. Religion happens to be one of the dividing lines in this land conflict. That is all it is, a land conflict. The Palestinians want all of land and so rockets fly one way and Israelis have no intention of giving it up so rockets fly the other way. This could've been a battle between the French and the English or tall people and short people and as long as at least one side refuses to give up their claim to the land the rockets will keep flying.

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  
    • MoonLoon:

      Thank You Vlad, I am open to hearing the facts, regarding war on innocent civilians, (fathers, mothers, and children). Jews are killing the innocent, Muslims retailaite by killing the innocent, we, Christians kill everyone in our path. Every Religion justify's murder in their God's name! So who decides which murder's are justified?

    • 1 year ago
  • RonenA
  • Salaam
  • oblivious
  • PoliticalGeek
  • oblivious
  • chokolat3warmth
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      chokolat3warmth  

    • "Persons taking no active part in the hostilities ... shall in all circumstances be treated humanely." Those are the opening words of the Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949.
      Although cluster bombs are not explicitly forbidden by the Geneva Law, the rules of war
      prohibit the use of inherently indiscriminate weapons or weapons that are incapable of
      being used in a manner that complies with the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants. Those who use them in civilian areas therefore open themselves to charges of war crimes.

    • 1 year ago
  • hinkgods
  • vladrath
    • 0
      vladrath  
    • hinkgods:

      I don't see how at this point Obama can be a coward. He has no legal authority to do anything yet, he can't intervene he is the president elect not the president.

      And I don't think that we are bought off by Israel rather we profit (US based company's at least) from selling them weapons, vehicles and munitions.

      I am not trying to justify anything with this statement personally I wish we would cut ties with Israel and then we would see if they would still try to cause so many problems and kill innocents.

    • 1 year ago
  • RonenA
  • IMMININT
  • MoonLoon
    • 0
      MoonLoon  

    • One innocent life is worth a thousand, no, 100 thousand ,lying politicians, clerics, and fools that represent themselves as speaking for GOD! Their ears are small and deaf, while their voices are loud and ignorant, in the ears of the Almighty! A curse upon you and your generations forever! Amen!

    • 1 year ago
  • chokolat3warmth
    • 0
      chokolat3warmth  

    • Regardless of what anyone says, Cluster Bombs are illeagal, meaning they violate law. Meaning the way they cause harm to a human is way too inhumane to use on any enemy, meaning Israel doesnt care about that, other wise they would of stopped using them in 2007 when the UN told them. So even if only 13% are civilians, their death was not quick and painless but brutal and excruciating. When Israel gets cluster bombed I'd like to hear them say oh only 13% of our civilians got killed.

    • 1 year ago
  • eldiablo
    • 0
      eldiablo  

    • Does it really matter who is being killed? I believe killing in general is a bad sign for humanity. Stop throwing your "fancy" number of people, and start thinking about them as people.

    • 1 year ago
  • datamined
  • oblivious
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      oblivious  
    • eldiablo:

      Considering that you think Palestinians should sit complacent with everything that has happened to them, I'd say you'd probably want him to be docile. In fact, based on your previous posts, I think you might even want him to thank you.

    • 1 year ago
  • PoliticalGeek
    • 0
      PoliticalGeek  
    • eldiablo:

      Datamined:

      I would not respond with cluster bombs in your village because that would be barbaric.

      You aren't being shut down because anyone disagrees with you. It is your extremist language and attitudes shut people off from hearing anything you have to say.

    • 1 year ago
  • itscoldoutside
    • 0
      itscoldoutside  
    • eldiablo:

      If you hit me in the head with a baseball bat - I would press charges against you for assault.There would be a trial; a judge or a jury would find you innocent or guilty, and pick an approbriate punishment.

      What were you expecting ... that I would hit your childern in the head with a baseball bat? Of course that would make sense to you.

    • 1 year ago
  • chosen
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      chosen  
    • eldiablo:

      Don't you understand the Hamas is the one with the baseball bat? Don't you understand that Israel waited and urged them to discontinue their terrorist actions, and yet they still did not? If you lived in southern Israel, would you be ok with Hamas firing missles every day at your homes? your schools? your hospitals? Israel showed more restraint that anyone of us will every understand, and now it is time for retribution. Hamas won't stop, so they must be stopped.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • eldiablo:

      Chosen, the Hamas rockets have killed all of 12 Israelis since 2001, whereas since then, Israel has butchered countless innocent Palestinian babies, children, women and men. Your argument is ludicrous, you must be one of Satan's chosen.

    • 1 year ago
  • oblivious
  • peterhaas
  • datamined
    • 0
      datamined  

    • The fact that rockets are smuggled into gaza justifies everything Israel has been saying. Israel has said it need to blockade gaza because hamas was importing weapons. Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians is proof that they were right. Hamas was smuggling weapons in. Israel, however, should have been allowing huge amounts of food and medicine in, one they have been checked and verified as harmless. The tunnels should be bombed and destroyed and legitimate commerce should be allowed.

    • 1 year ago
  • oblivious
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      oblivious  
    • datamined:

      "Hamas firing rockets at Israeli civilians is proof that they were right. Hamas was smuggling weapons in."

      Exactly! How dare those people living in illegally occupied lands with concrete barriers holding them in should not rebel at all, especially when the IDF constantly conducts airstrikes against targets that almost always include civiliian -- oh I'm sorry, only Hamas targets. The children that routinely die in those airstrikes against "legitimate" targets are miniature militants, no? They should live in squalor conditions, with no chance for improving their conditions, and be happy with the fact that their sacrifice was needed for regaining Eretz Israel.

    • 1 year ago
  • maasanova
  • mutedmajority
  • Vierotchka
    • 0
      Vierotchka  
    • datamined:

      The Hamas rockets have killed all of 12 Israelis since 2001, whereas since that time, Israel has butchered countless innocent Palestinian and Lebanese babies, children, women and men.

    • 1 year ago
  • MoonLoon
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      MoonLoon  

    • My heart breaks for the innocent! However, in the original release, was there not a reference to "smuggling tunnels"? So, exactly what was being "smuggled"? Was it supplies for the poor, or sick, or elderly? Or was it weapons to rain death on innocent civilians;children, old people, men supporting their families, wives in the market, rabbis going to pray, bus drivers, babies, innocents that do not deserve this!!! No leader is innocent and no adult that condones murder will escape judgement. Jews and their cousins should stop the war and resign themselves to God's judgement, if they are true believers. I remain a sceptic!

    • 1 year ago
  • Lubricant
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      Lubricant  

    • Gaza needs to fall. The animals that live there should be put down. I think Isreal let this go on much longer than it should have. Its time for Gaza to be removed along with its violent ignorant cave people.

    • 1 year ago
  • Angel4truth
  • Vierotchka
    • 0
      Vierotchka  
    • Lubricant:

      All humans are animals, we belong to the fauna of this world as primates in the simian category - we are part of the great apes along with our cousins the orang utangs, the gorillas, the chimpanzees (our closest relatives - they are closer to us than to gorillas). Some human animals are much worse than others, as, for example, the Lubricants, the Israelis, the Americans, etc.

    • 1 year ago
  • peterhaas
    • 0
      peterhaas  

    • I still try to keep an open mind but the use of weapons,condemned by the rest of the "civilized"world can under no circumstances be justified.

    • 1 year ago
  • UrbanGypsy
  • carre
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      carre  
    • UrbanGypsy:

      In the bible Palastine has housed the land of Israel and it was later that the Israelis took it claiming it was their land because they did not have a place to call their own. The Israelis let the Palastinians stay but it was not considered theirs anymore. They have since been fighting for the land both feel is rightfully theirs. It has gone wildly out of has as you can see but I can say that the Israelis always keep their word and when they said on Christmas they didn't want to continue they meant it but the bombing did continue.

    • 1 year ago
  • UrbanGypsy
  • carre
  • laserdog
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      laserdog  

    • Yeah, about the first link about white phosphorous:

      A.) It is a link to a blog post from 2006.
      B.) It is discussing *alleged* use of white phosphorous on a *battlefield* in *Lebanon*.
      C.) It contains anecdotal evidence from a doctor who treated two Lebanese patients.

      Now, I'm not saying that the linked story is untrue.

      Just that using it in a way to imply Israel is currently using white phosphorous in Gaza is willfully disingenuous.

      That said, the use of either white phosphorous or cluster bombs in an urban environment like that is completely deplorable.

    • 1 year ago
  • cerealforeal
  • cabinettags
    • 0
      cabinettags  

    • World I respect your position but the article doesn't mention either cluster or phosphorus munitions.

      These should be in another post with their own references. I'm not trying to drop a dime on you, but this is misleading.

    • 1 year ago
  • twohawks
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      twohawks  
    • cabinettags:

      @WorldPEace.. Thank you for posting this.
      ..I have to chime in with Cabinettags here, if you are going to post images like that, they do well to have some references so we have proper context within which to view them. If you have any information to add about those it would be most helpful and welcome.
      Be well. Cheers, HTH

    • 1 year ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • cabinettags:

      hey thanks, I did post some reference in the article and the pic was a widely used one in european media..dont know bout the usa tho....I'll try to be more clearer, but it still highlights the inhumane use of these weapons. Thanks again!

    • 1 year ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  

    • oh..ok, dataminded....just the same pic then..but other news sources and doctors are saying differently...this article is By IBRAHIM BARZAK and AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writers Ibrahim Barzak And Amy Teibel, (just click the link up there) and written for many other news sources–maybe you are just not getting the updates.
      btw..thanks for not yelling (all caps, ya know!) it makes it more of a conversation/debate...
      peace

    • 1 year ago
  • Bren589
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      Bren589  

    • I know its hard WPTV, but pay no mind to that person. just an attention seeker is all they are.and they just want us to make comments back to them. I found this person a waste of my time. Peace to all. Hope your doing better then I am lou

    • 1 year ago
  • datamined
  • Joar
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      Joar  
    • Bren589:

      I ignore people who take sides before completely understanding whats happening. I know you go by what your parents drilled into your head. Israel is superior. Muslims are dirt. Muslims hate jews.

      F5 your head.

    • 1 year ago
  • datamined
    • 0
      datamined  
    • Bren589:

      dude, which of us lived in israel and has been to gaza many times? I have.

      you have no idea who i am.
      so stick to the facts.
      because i know they don't support your perspective.

    • 1 year ago
  • IMMININT
    • 0
      IMMININT  
    • Bren589:

      It would figure that your opinion is coming from someone who lived in ISRAEL...

      I rest my case.

      You're basing your entire arguement on ONE FACT. Do some research on the history of Israel for starters. If you've lived there, you'd understand why it's there and who was ripped off in the first place, right?

      Or maybe not, after all you base your arguement on a FACT... not THE FACTS.

    • 1 year ago
  • UrbanGypsy
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      UrbanGypsy  
    • Bren589:

      @ IMMININT

      What are you talking about? After Israel was formed in 1948 the Arabs were also offered a state in Palestine but they refused to share the land with the Jews (many of whom had also lived there for hundreds of years).

      Arab refugees that went to live in Israel were given Israeli citizenship, although the same cannot be said of Jews in the Arab states in the region, who were forced to leave their lands (and had been treated as second rate citizens to begin with)...

      So what do you mean "Who got ripped off"? I think the only here that needs to read up on his history here is you... Take a step back and stop embarrassing yourself with your hate speech towards other Current users like datamined.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Bren589:

      UrbanGypsy, the Palestinians were forced out of their homes which were taken over by immigrant Jews. Thousands of Palestinians were slaughtered, hundreds of thousands were forced into refugee camps. Their lands and homes were STOLEN.

      What if foreigners came to your house and offered to share your home with you - i.e. you can sleep in the closet and the rest of the house is for the thief? That is precisely why the Palestinians didn't agree to this kind of "sharing". As for the Arabs that remained in Israel, yes, they do have the Israeli nationality, but they are second-class citizens and are badly treated by Israelis. They were allowed to remain because their lands were the least productive and interesting lands - mostly desert.

    • 1 year ago
  • IMMININT
    • 0
      IMMININT  
    • Bren589:

      Thanks Vierotchka again. With some more time I'd be glad to cover this entire issue and hell maybe I can get a few comments from my palestinian friends who will have no problem reciting their feelings about Israelis now that they live in America.

    • 1 year ago
  • datamined
  • IMMININT
  • UrbanGypsy
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      UrbanGypsy  
    • datamined:

      Perhaps you can enlighten us IMMININT?

      As far as I can remember, there has never been a Palestinian state or a Palestinian "people". These people are Jordanian Arab refugees who were abandoned by the King of Jordan after 1948.

      And if I remember correctly, Arab refugees that went to settle in Israel were given full citizenship status, and many have more rights in Israel than they do in Arab countries.

      But then again... perhaps you can enlighten us...

    • 1 year ago
  • leb0wski
  • Vierotchka
  • IMMININT
    • 0
      IMMININT  
    • datamined:

      thanks vierotchka...

      I think the problem here is that nobody here knows any Palestinians and doesn't understand the other side of the coin....

      Of course though being Israel is an ally, our media and schools will teach it in their favor...

    • 1 year ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  

    • @Dataminded, you have been posting the same BS for the last week...in fact, the same false article.....what you are saying? that Israel has not killed anyone for the last few days ...are you OK? We know the real numbers and your posting fake numbers to make Israel look good is not working, in fact, you are making a bad case for Israel and adding fuel to the fire for the real haters........Maybe you should have your mom take you to the clinic for testing... or, just take an aspirin and drink plenty of water.
      Peace kid!

    • 1 year ago
  • datamined
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • WorldPeaceTV:

      oh..ok, just the same pic then..but other news sources and doctors are saying differently...this article is By IBRAHIM BARZAK and AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writers Ibrahim Barzak And Amy Teibel, (just click the link up there) and written for many other news sources–maybe you are just not getting the updates.
      btw..thanks for not yelling (all caps, ya know!) it makes it more of a conversation/debate...
      peace

    • 1 year ago
  • bansheewail
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      bansheewail  

    • The Bush Doctrine seems to be catching on. Although, this is more of hybrid between the Bush and Powell Doctrines; pre-emptive attacks with overwhelming force on an underequipped and under-manned adversary. The Israelis get the Daily Double!!

    • 1 year ago
  • JohnA
  • bansheewail
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      bansheewail  
    • bansheewail:

      Hamas started it with homemade rockets from the worlds largest concentration camp. They've killed less that 10 Israelis. And White Phosporous on a civilian population is an appropiate retaliation?? I know you don't believe that. Do You?

    • 1 year ago
  • RonenA
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      RonenA  
    • bansheewail:

      The condition in Gaza is a result of Hamas's violence towards a military superpower. Whether Israel's response is appropriate or not, Hamas's actions caused this conflict (making this not preemptive) and their decision to hide among civilians only makes it worse. Don't tell me that you seriously believe Israel would attack Gaza if they handed over the rockets.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
  • datamined
  • Joar
  • Magnitude06
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      Magnitude06  
    • datamined:

      60 years of War and ethnic cleansing
      6 wars
      4 million Palestinian Refugees
      3 million Occupied
      1.5 million Abducted-hostages
      254 km of an Apartheid- Wall
      562 Humiliation-check-points
      20K Political-prisoners
      400 Children held in Israeli Dungeons
      468,831 new settlers on an Occupied land
      Disappearance of Palestine
      69- UN Violations
      507 Palestinian deaths and 2400 wounded as of Jan 4, 2008.

      I'll repeat this everytime you say something.......

    • 1 year ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • datamined:

      Nice going Magnitude...add over 100 women and children killed within those civilians. The UN and other agencies, and doctors btw, say about 25 to 30%--i feel its more, but cant say for sure right yet since Israel will not let journalists in

    • 1 year ago
  • itscoldoutside
  • escarondito
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      escarondito  
    • datamined:

      datamined i don't know for sure why your opinion is devalued amongst other current users, but i will tell you why it is with me. You take into account nothing but your own agenda. you lack, are limited, or deeply flawed in your ability to view all angles of an issue and not only see all sides but come to a REASONED conclusion after taking into account all sides. just once i would love to see a post from you which didn't sound like a israeli fanatic. like for example ," only 13% have been civilian deaths, it's still a terrible thing guys but israel is trying her best to minimize collateral damage" see how that sounds. Isn't now much more clearer to see your reasoned pride in 13% civilian deaths?

    • 1 year ago
  • sourena
  • Mobius2012
  • UrbanGypsy
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      UrbanGypsy  
    • datamined:

      I think you can stay Datamined... Some people don't like to hear different points of view. I do...

      And @ sourena,

      The reason there is an Israel is because 6 MIllion Jews died in Europe once. Magnitude06 very clearly showed us how people in Palestine have suffered since 1948, but regardless of that, the Jews have suffered even more throughout the whole span of history. I personally think they deserve a homeland.

      This is not to say that I support their marginalization of Palestinians. I think that Israel should have taken these people in as citizens of Israel a long time ago. But now I'm not sure its so simple anymore, unfortunately.

    • 1 year ago
  • RonenA
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      RonenA  
    • datamined:

      @sourena Israel belonged to the Jewish people thousands of years ago before it was stolen (y'know, by force, occupied if you want) by the various empires which rose and fell, the last of which was the Ottoman empire. The only reason the Jews didn't live on their land is because it was taken from them. But, after WWII, the UN decided to give the Jews their land back.

    • 1 year ago
  • alfitude
  • leb0wski
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      leb0wski  
    • datamined:

      Wow, so apparently it's ok for Hamas to use hospitals, schools and holy buildings to fire rockets into Israeli territory and kill innocent people, but when Israel responds and hunts down the rocket firing cowards (not innocents) hiding behind women and children then that's the terrible act? Let's not forget all the "inconvenient" facts when you start your ranting people.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • datamined:

      RonenA - the Hebrews stole the land in a most murderous and violent manner from the Canaanites (the ancestors of today's Palestinians) some three and a bit thousand years ago. The Hebrews did the same thing a second time in 1948.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • datamined:

      leb0wski, the Hamas rockets have killed all of 12 Israelis since 2001, during which time Israel has butchered countless thousands of Palestinian babies, children, women and men.

    • 1 year ago
  • WhiteNoise
  • WorldPeaceTV
    • 0
      WorldPeaceTV  
    • WhiteNoise:

      Thanks WhiteNoise for your research and for posting these links. If anyone else used these weapons against a civilian population, the USA would be calling foul and would send in the troops and sorties.

    • 1 year ago
  • RonenA
  • Bren589
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      Bren589  

    • Its not going to get better is it Lou. I couldn't look at the pictures right now.Its so depressing.. Israel ment what they said when they made the statement that Gaza will be a cemetary. Its terrible what people in Gaza are being put through. my heart and my tears go out to all involved.
      pray for peace

    • 1 year ago
  • ghostbar
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • Vierotchka

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