The Bible teaches that the existence of God is so obvious that we are without excuse for denying it.
Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?
Take a look at the proof and you make the decision. (Click the link above)
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- Solar_Wind
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ON POINT !!!!! Solar_Wind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- shotgnner870
- 6 months ago
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there is no god, or anything else that would qualify as supernatural.
the proof offered at the link is no proof at all, just Xian garbage.
Don't but the lie. Faith is an excuse for not thinking. Belief in god is intellectual suicide.
Be brave, be strong, face the truth: we are animals here on this planet, mammals that live and die like any other mammal.
There is wonder and mystery and beauty in this world; don't waste this one life believing in some silly superstitious non-sense.
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- unimatrix0
- 6 months ago
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It is impossible to prove the existence of God, just as it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist. What you offered as proof is simply articles of faith, no more.
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- Vierotchka
- 6 months ago
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These fools will never give up trying to push this trash on us. I am waiting for CERN to come back up. If there is a God then it must be the Large Hadron Collider waiting to get a go ahead in the spring. We have had a couple of hundred years of these religious cooks from back in the dark ages and they want us to crawl back in the caves and cover our eyes and spend all day praying for forgineness for being born in sin. Bah. Forward with science to light up the world.
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I second Unimatrix. At least someone has some sanity left.
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You can't prove it either way, but my money's on the atheist side.
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- FallenMorgan
- 6 months ago
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You can't prove that there is god. Religion is based on faith. Faith that you believe in it or not
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You cannot prove there is a god, because religion is originally made by humans, and it is faith based...the "evidence" you keep asking everyone is that religion is made in your human brain, its your faith that keeps programming your image of god, there needs to be no evidence, because the concept of religion itself is inside your brain..
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- metalcookiesxy70
- 6 months ago
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From my personal experiences, I believe there is some super natural entity (whether it be from another dimension or planet) that I don't claim to fully understand. With that said, I think this entity came to earth to ancient humans, these humans with limited scientific knowledge interpreted these things as god(s).
But I fully respect aesthetic and people with different belief systems than mine (like I said this just how I interpreted personal experiences), and I expect the same respect given to me as a person that believes in supernatural entity(s)
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- irishman909121
- 6 months ago
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I wish some people on here (OP, unimatrix cough...)
would stop posting their religious/anti religious bullshitThis is not a forum for you to prance around, post some news, honestly for people arguing that you have reason and good on your sides you ignore the fact that people are dying and the world is getting raped more and more everyday.
And Solar wind for gods sake stop asking each person for proof of what they believe!
Here is my proof of my ideals, i do not believe in the christian religion because your ideals are based on a book (your proof) That is thousands of years old and has been revised over and over again (despite numerous quotes in the bible saying gods word should NEVER for ANY reason be changed) to the point of it being unrecognizable to ancient versions (that we have found, non the less the ORIGINAL!) So all in all your BOOK your PROOF is nothing but a tool changed and used by governments until if fit their agenda, find me the original bible, and i will read it and see if i believe, but until then your current book of a holy mess is nothing but human words.
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- AswegoAsdego
- 6 months ago
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What in the world was this? I felt like someone was poking me in the eye until I picked the "right" answer.
I believe in a Grand Architect...but how does anyone (Christians, Muslims, Jews and anyone else) dare lay claim to a power so massive that nothing has the view to see where it begins or ends. -
What a bunch of phooey. In the end, it tells you that without God, you can't prove anything. That's circular logic. It tells you about laws of science, math, morality, and absolutes, and such. And it tells you you're deceiving yourself if you tell yourself God doesn't exist. None of it makes sense.
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- junsumoney
- 6 months ago
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this post is ANNOYING. why do people keep making "prove that god exists/doesnt exist" posts. the only thing they EVER prove is that you CANT PROVE either way. i don't understand how they keep doing this over and over its frankly pretty childish. isn't the definition of insanity repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results??? hmmm.......coughunimatrixcough
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I think the post is fun - thank you solar wind.
The believer is the one who must offer proof. The atheist makes no extraordinary claims - the world is as it is for the atheist.
The believer, on the other hand, makes an extraordinary claim: there is a god, some magic invisible being, with all sorts of groovy magic powers.
The burden is yours, solar wind
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- unimatrix0
- 6 months ago
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So could you godless fuqs ever prove infinity exists? Why/how then do/should we conceive of it theoretically in our math and sciences with a little symbol that makes you idiots feel like you're your own little feeble-minded god, when many of the very brightest minds of our age have literally gone INSANE contemplating the infinite sizes of limitless infinities... And YOU cheap stupid fuqn idiot bastards have the GALL to call Xstians stupid. YOU'RE worse than stupid because you don't even fuqn know it and you act like you know it all. Many of you fuqs deserve a beat-down from hell for all your fuqt attitudes to Xstians. From me personally, Fuh Qll! If faith is a gift from God, you fuqn don't even deserve it! I hope you fuqs are as proud and haughty when your skin wrinkles or disease eats you inside out while you live to tell about it for all your arrogance that it's stupid to believe in a hope you can't see feel touch or smell as much as you do wiping your asses with others' beliefs; or maybe the world will be a better place when alzheimers takes you, and the lofty pride of your stupid intelligence is no longer, and what you have left at the end of your days is just more of your own utter stupidity to choke yourself on.
FACT: the odds are resoundingly, incredibly better, mathematically, that there is a real God.
FACT: The universe is exquisitely finely-tuned, not some frankenstein haphazard piece of shit without beauty that only you godless fuqs pretend to appreciate.
FACT: Xstians KNOW the universe was INTELLIGENTLY designed such that things that are,
were created from things unseen...that's scripture, and yet it's also science too, isn't it. Consider the atom and quantum physics no one really truly understands for the limitless INFINITE possibilities somehow held together by physical laws put in place by Someone bringing order from the chaos.FACT: ONLY A FOOL SAYS THERE IS NO GOD!
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Wow, I could definitely feel your wrath echoz...
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- Solar_Wind
- 6 months ago
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How about this. There is a god and yes it is all around you. Let's say the big bang did happen and this event propelled the 'current" periodic table through our known universe. These elements construct the air we breathe the water we drink the bones and skin that hold us together. This matter also created the cigarettes we smoke the pollution we put in the air -ipods and cancer. God does exist, everything is god. This is a random universe and there is no hierarchy with a big guy at the top.
Mainstream god did not stop the atrocities of man nor will he.Choice is the answer. Make a better one
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My last on does God exist. YES, he does, I know that, My loved ones know that & that is all that matters, The
non-beleivers will find out in a horrible way they are wrong. All the Atheist out there will/can literally GO TO HELL!!! Please do not respond, I won't. You beleive in your pagan/science bullshit, I will beleive in the Lord above!!!!!! That's ALL folks!!!-
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- shotgnner870
- 6 months ago
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Funny how the Xians love to threaten the non-believer with hell. No doubt Jesus would be proud.
Nevertheless, we must face the truth, again and again and again. Much damage has been done.
The truth: there is no god; jesus is some dead dude, not divine but no doubt charming, and just another bag of rotting flesh.
I encourage all believers to give up the shackles of faith, the bondage of belief, the cursed darkness of religion, and be born again into the sweetness of reason and light.
Be a hero. Be an atheist!
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- unimatrix0
- 6 months ago
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no proof. just a waste of time. same for your beliefs.
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- permanent_stranger
- 6 months ago
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Thank you everyone for commenting. This discussion has been more rewarding for me than I expected, I hope it has provoked a great deal of thought for everyone. I learned from the things people have said and its only strengthened my belief in God. Most of all I would like to thank God for creating a world where this type of debate is possible. If anyone else would like continue discussing, please go right ahead. More than likely, I'm going to take a vacation from the internet so I can focus on more important things in my life, and I'll return if God wills it to be so.
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- Solar_Wind
- 6 months ago
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thank you solar wind
I hope you recognize soon that there is no god. you seem like a nice person and it is a shame to spend one's life a slave to deception.
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- unimatrix0
- 6 months ago
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I hope that all you lovely people out there who are typing away on your key boards realize one thing...for the last 'xx' years the Physics community has been refining the ideas of a Christian Hebrew by the name of Einstein. Yup that crazy Christian is the father of modern physics and since his time the physics community, for the most part, has been refining his ideas. Hmmm ? Not really adding anything new, except for what is now possible with new equipment, but refining the ideas of Einstein. Sooo clearly, reasoning and mathematics are not contradictory to Christianity but in fact enhance it. Hey Atheists, don't you remember when the story of Exodus was touted as a nice tale (up into the 1980's) and then a peculiar thing happened, historical artifacts were found supporting all the events of Exodus? It even became a little mini series on TV. Then you reply, 'well o.k. it happened but not like the bible said'. Sooo sad. Call it whatever you will, understand it however you might, but your mind is only limited to what you can see or imagine, and what you can see or imagine is limited to what you can understand. Tell me, how long would it take you to teach nuclear fusion to a catfish? Watch the birds but you can not fly. See the shadow on the moon but believe you are flat and in the middle of the solar system. Go ahead now. Tell me what you know!
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>>unimatrix0 said: jesus is some dead dude, not divine but no doubt charming, and just another bag of rotting flesh.<<
As someone has correctly pointed out, hypocrites and martyrs are not made of the same stuff. Men may willingly die for what they believe to be true...even at times if what they believe is actually false. But no one will die willingly for something they know to be a lie!! Judas Iscariot, betrayer of Jesus, committed suicide. Only John, of the other 13 Apostles, did not die by homicide, a martyr. They watched Jesus die, his resurrection and his ascension and they died because they knew THE TRUTH; Jesus was indeed divine and NOT “just another bag of rotting flesh”.
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read the Euthyphro, by Plato, and you will find that morality is independent of god's will.
We do not need a god to tell us what is right and what is wrong. Use your mind.
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- unimatrix0
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