Who has the right to censor art?

// added January 21, 2009 // 42 comments //
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The Art Newspaper discusses who has the right to censor art in the light of a dispute between an art exhibition and a Ukrainian church opposite, when a giant banner featuring Picasso's portrait if Joseph Stalin was put up. The exhibition was finally forced to take down the banner due to the church's protests.

Where should art and politics stand? Who has the right to censor art?
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42 comments // Who has the right to censor art?

  • marpunk
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      marpunk  
    • Censoring art, is true graffiti, a visual expression altered but I'm not paying for that and only if I was would I be offended for paying for something that looked like the actual piece of work.

    • 11 months ago
  • eskimoe
  • HereticHero
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      HereticHero  
    • Never apologize for your art. No one has the right to censor art.
      Furthermore, the piece (banner) has served its purpose. That is art. Art is; an extraction of emotions whatever they may be from whomever is viewing it, reading it, etc.

    • 1 year ago
  • dirtyemowords
  • Dustmatik
  • JustifyLife
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      JustifyLife  
    • This is as complicated as matters of state and church. Too many people step beyond the line yet the line is not drawn and no one knows how to draw it.

    • 1 year ago
  • JustifyLife
  • Richmahogany
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      Richmahogany  
    • Well... I mean... I have to say this was entirely warranted.

      You have to understand that Stalin created a fucking famine that killed millions of Ukrainians; putting a picture of him next to a Ukrainian church is like putting a huge picture of Hitler next to a synagogue.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • Censorship is never a good idea. With that said, the powers that be should have checked in with the neighbors out of courtesy. This small courtesy may have prevented the larger crisis.

    • 1 year ago
  • toreyray
  • Gargaryun
  • chokolat3warmth
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      chokolat3warmth  
    • Stalin still brings chills and anger out in most Ukrainians you speak to because so many of us were slaughtered by his policies and wishes. Stalin sent more Ukrainian people to their death than Hitler did to Jews. between 20 and 27 million Ukrainian lives were lost in deliberate execution and starvation under multiple Holodomors set by Stalin because the Ukrainians were seen as a weaker race and because we wanted our independence back.

      the world is still yet to recognize this as a genocide of my people, at least that is how Ukrainians feel and because Russia also denies it as a genocide. So Stalin pictures appearing could be very controversial, most people are reminded everyday of the Communist Regime with the remaining communist statues and buildings left all over Ukraine as well as the unhealthy status of the country.

      As an artist though i feel like art should be able to be displayed anywhere with no silencing. where the artist places his piece is part of the art statement one makes with his work. But this all depends on an artists motivation for the piece. If one wants to create something for his own expression of emotion with no interest in public feedback, then others dont matter in this process. If one is creating something for others to enjoy and remark on, then the artist must take into account public interest.

      An art dealer or organizer should be intelligent enough to know that if you put up a picture of a dictator in a country abused by that same dictator, the response will not be in any way positive. It doesnt matter if it was Picasso, still a bad idea on the guys part, Ukrainians will not want to look at him.

    • 1 year ago
  • m4l1c3
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      m4l1c3  
    • two words...THE ARTIST

      if the piece is censored because it adds to the impact of it sure...but if the artist does not want it censored then it shouldnt be censored...simple as that

    • 1 year ago
  • Zurama
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      Zurama  
    • Hmmmm.........Art that sticks it's finger on old wounds and disrespects victims is crap in my book.

      Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe people affected by his rule and communism, would like to forget.

      How about a picture of the bastad hanging from a tree?

      Now that's art!!

    • 1 year ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • Zurama:

      When you forget the past, you're doomed to repeat it.
      Besides, this isn't an image of the inside of a gulag, its a head shot sketch. If I have to be subjected to constant images of GW "Dumbass" Bush every time I turn on the TV, they can handle an incredible artist's pencil sketch. Its not the end of the world, honest.

    • 1 year ago
  • sevastopol
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      sevastopol  
    • Zurama:

      Did it ever occur to you that a lot of people respect Stalin? And this isn't even a question of who Stalin was as much as it is a question of censorship. The funny thing is, many of the art movements in the Soviet Union were pushed underground because of Stalin, and now you want to supress art in the same manner. Who is the real tyrant?

    • 1 year ago
  • MilesK
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      MilesK  
    • I think the point of art like this is to get us to react and then examine that reaction. Our responses to the portrait, both immediate and considered, are a part of the piece as a greater whole. If our reaction is to say that we should tear the work down and shut it away because it causes us discomfort... well then the grim and morbid features of the piece do not end merely with a charcoal sketch of Stalin.

    • 1 year ago
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • I majored in Art Education and believe me some of this stuff IS NOT art, it only makes it to the public because someone with money funded it! DUH.

    • 1 year ago
  • sevastopol
  • Zurama
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      Zurama  
    • As an artist myself I'm all for art as long as it doesn't glorify Murderers.

      Stallin is upthere with Hitler, Che, Mao, Lenin, Fidel Castro, etc.

      Historians estimate that between 20 million and 40 million died during Stalin's rule, tearing families apart and creating a climate of fear that haunted the Soviet Union.

      Why don't we erect a statue of Hitler? I guarantee you, that if we did, all this art bullshit would go out window, because the Jews would not stand for it.

      Why should the Christians or any other group put up with this.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nader123
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      Nader123  
    • Zurama:

      Everyone has the right to be offended or object certain display of art or whatever. And as long as it's not being forced upon my will, it's just a peice of art...

    • 1 year ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • Zurama:

      If someone wishes to glorify a murderer, more power to them. I, as a potential patron, also have every right to not buy it, not go to the gallery in which its displayed, and to encourage others to avoid it.
      Art is, above all else, a unique and individual experience. That is why there will always be the ongoing debate over what is art. Appreciate what you like, and ignore the rest.
      Personally, I don't care what the subject in the piece is, so long as it isn't graphically violent. I have two children who simply do not need to see things like that. I encourage people to make art of things we do not like, because then it can open dialogue. If we have no images of the worst murderers of our time, they, and their acts, just might be forgotten...

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
  • subsecret
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • Fuck censorship. Art will always rebel and push limits, make people think and feel, test society's boundaries and personal comfort!...problems usually come when the art is in a public forum, so the public feels the right to have a say on whether or not they wish to support that art or artist's message. I think that's fine too- it will never stop artists from creating and 9 times out of 10 no publicity is bad publicity- controversy and art are laughing lovers!

    • 1 year ago
  • Nader123
  • unimatrix0
  • MilesK
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      MilesK  
    • Wait I'm confused, people seem to be saying the piece was in the Ukranian Church.

      As far as I can tell it was in an unaffiliated arts and sciences institute across the street. Which makes us secularists look like the big losers in a religion-rationalism pissing contest.

    • 1 year ago
  • jimenagamio
  • Nader123
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      Nader123  
    • Art as in drawing & painting, is not different than writing a book, cinema, or even song writing. At some point, someone always gets offended by the material being displayed for public consumption. But that's OK, they surly have that god given right, but to ban it for the fear that others may actually appreciate it, is borderline insecure and shalow.

      Artists are politically motivated, as we all are, so they have every right to artisticaly display their view point without the hesitation or fear of offending anyone or group.

    • 1 year ago
  • matlaroche
  • nicoleeeann
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      nicoleeeann  
    • Art, there is so much to say. It shows truths and why not face the truths. It shows emotion, and gives feeling. Why do we hide and keep history like it never happened.

      What the government does not want us to see, they cover it up. Easier said than to believe. Under their control which we allow.

      Communication, sometimes I wish people had no language just images.

    • 1 year ago
  • ClareW
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      ClareW  
    • No person or entity has the right to censor art. The way to maintain a degree of political correctness and decency is to put a warning sign on potentially offensive...

    • 1 year ago
  • Elevator
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      Elevator  
    • ClareW:

      So if I save up my money and open a private gallery I have no say about what I display in MY gallery?

      For the very process of selecting art to display entails choosing one from another. Those who are not chosen have in effect been censored.

      Should the patron forced to exhibit every piece of art submitted?

      If art is no longer submitted to the discerning critique of the patron then the art gallery ceases to exist; it’s walls transformed into a public poster board where even the most base and senseless drivel are on display and the gallery will likely close. That is not to say of course that a venture of this nature is not financially viable. Indeed it may simply change audiences and still receive customers, inspiring others to open similar establishments. But in this case the proprietor chooses voluntarily to display any and all art.

    • 1 year ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • The history of religion is plenty bloody too, isn't that rather like the pot calling the kettle black ? I have to look at christian "art " all the time , I don't complain . They should be more humble and try use it as a moment for contemplation of human power structures.

    • 1 year ago
  • missionA
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      missionA  
    • artemis6:

      Listen, that is the very reason art is created at all: to engage societies, cause queries into social mores and standards, no matter which side of the artistic purpose you hold dear, whether you feel that art is a hammer, a mirror, or an alchemist for the larger society which engineered it, it serves a function, and to edit, to appropriate, to outright ban it from the public is only a signifier that the culture needs to pay closer attention. As a clarifing statement, I do feel that all art fufils the above stated roles, nor that those roles are the only possible avenues by which fine art can service its society and culture...
      (deep breath)

    • 1 year ago
  • Elevator
    • 0
      Elevator  
    • The person who chooses to display art has the right to censor it. It is their right as the proptery owner. It's as simple as that.

    • 1 year ago
  • petarro
  • MilesK
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      MilesK  
    • Elevator:

      "Me Petarro, me muscle brain no construct/understand working sentence"

      He's saying that as a gallery owner one can select what an outside artist will or won't put up on your walls. Not whether you would censor your own work.

    • 1 year ago
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • The artist needs to find another venue to display that particular art piece. Obviously it's not appropriate in a Church. Duhhhhh

    • 1 year ago
  • petarro
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      petarro  
    • HUH? Art!? I hate activism that puts words on things that are not what the main issue is!

      - The Church is not censoring ART! It's Censoring a portrait of Stalin, which was one of the responsible for Communism, killings and an ideology that was destructive for the Ukranian people as to many others.

      - Art has of course to be censored, ONLY, to maintain other people's rights, including Animals, etc (I have seen people killing dogs and animals to use them as part of their art work)

      - Art should not be used to impulse hatred, killings, etc.

      - The artists however, should not be censored at any point*; whether or not the piece of work will make it to the public is something different.

      * Not censored unless someone, something dies or is a victim because of the piece of art.

    • 1 year ago
  • Zurama
  • bcass22
  • petarro
  • TyMarshal
  • logicpocket
  • MilesK
    • 0
      MilesK  
    • TyMarshal:

      I like your argument. It's good and I hope you don't mind if I object most strenuously.

      First off Cooper Union isn't a public space in the same sense that a National Park is a public space right? It's a museum and institution of scholarly inquiry so "involving the community" as you put it seems a bit pandering. It's as if I were forced to change the paint job on my house after my neighbors expressed how hideous they found the color.

      Second, if most of the objections were coming from the Ukrainian Church well then that's hardly the sort of egalitarian communal structure you're citing in order to make the case. It's a hierarchical autocracy where church leaders determine the community action taken by the followers. So it wouldn't really be an objection by the "community" per se but by a few well placed individuals directing a large group of sheeple.

    • 1 year ago
  • TyMarshal

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