this lady is a problem. overpopulation much?

Denica,

Welcome to the New America. Different from what's advertised, isn't it?

On these threads you can now read some of the worst thoughts of our worst citizens. Thoughts as hostile to human life as they are inflated with intense pride.

These appear to be highly unstable people suffering the same mentality that flourished in Communist China under Mao, Communist Russia under a series of pro-Stalin dictators, Fascist Italy under Mussolini, Nazi Germany under Hitler. A collection of self-appointed self righteous psychopaths\sociopaths perpetually outraged that the poor and sick, the disadvantaged, were not simply eliminated for the Original Sin of failing to be born cost\effective.

The connection between all these wackos is in their love of seemingly divine retribution. It isn't that bad luck can hammer just anyone or that slavery in any form is an abomination. That doesn't work for them. It must be that God, Historical or Economic Necessity, deemed such people surplus to need - on purpose. It didn't just happen, it had to happen.

By nature, not rationality, the unstable applaud any form of social abuse which hurts those they fear and hate. Shoot an unarmed man? He must have deserved it. Steal a family's income? They were weak and asked for it.

Ultimately the equally unhinged find each other and group behind a leader who goes public in support of Economic Cleansing. Targeted are groups the invisible wingnuts particularly dislike.

You're right.

Whether it was China under the lunatics in the Red Guards, or here, the form their hatred takes is disproportionate anger and insipid jealousy.

Such people are offended that the abjectly poor are allowed to live at all In their view, poverty represents both an ideological and financial (though petty) personal inconvenience. To turn reality into ideological policy the disadvantaged are grouped together, regardless of whether they are or aren't "innocent."

Collectively all are blamed for their plight. They were lazy, they didn't seek opportunities, they didn't shape up. What follows that is supportive propaganda. It is unfair that there is any public cost associated with feeding the poor. Look how evil such people are - mothers with too many kids, fraudsters taking limos to pick up welfare payments.

Compared to a cabal of crooked CEOs and the politicians in their pockets the former are ignored while the poor are treated by far as the greater monsters. It is a sick joke.

The game continues with non-statistically verifiable and irrelevant catalogs of infractions. Samples are rolled out meant merely to defame an entire collection of families with no other stain in common than poverty.

What is also characteristic is that the ranks of the poor must be depicted as more determined to harm the Republic than all forms of Organized Crime and all the money laundering bankers, bent bureaucrats, fraudulent brokers, embezzling CEOs and warped politicians who actually, collectively, are responsible for the current meltdown. People justifiably anxious to deflect blame to a soft and undefended target. Small wonder their diatribes are presented as though they form a vanguard of fearless uber-patriots protecting America from the true enemy. A scape goat.

The level of insanity gets extreme quickly. People who would never go public that millions deserved to die from malicious neglect, (Jews, Ukrainians, Poles, Kulaks, Cambodians, Africans, and so on) are only too happy to applaud get tough action to punish the poor with further hardship for the misconduct of a few.

It's never allowed that some people who are poor also are crooked, it's that ALL poor people must fit into the same mould. Since all are guilty or wrecking the State therefore there is never too great a hardship the poor must suffer to compensate the hurt feelings of the advantaged..

Frankly, I preferred the sanity and balance of the Old America.

You?

glad i'm not the only who who is freaked out by the hostility towards the less fortunate....saddens me..

a- i got u. for a project in one of my class we were all studying welfare misconceptions. i wanted to know what everyone thought a "welfare" mom looked like so we closed our eyes and wrote down our first image. without fail, everyone who knew little about the system came up with a person who was not in any way reflective of them. (white women picked a black mom with 10 kids)
this is not true, but as a mass consciousness somehow we are led to believe that this is the welfare standard. i don't know if it's because people want to believe that someone else is lazy or if it is just the thinly veiled racism.
where are all the people angry as hell about the bailout money?

avery,

i think that was categorically the best response i have ever read regarding welfare or any other topic. you accurately covered so many bases in one response that you should save a copy of it in case you must re-explain yourself to someone else later.

excellent response! wonderful insight!

if i could recommend a reply, i would!

did u know the average welfare recipient is a white woman with 1.2 kids?

Very good, "Joe", at least you admit your lack of ability in understanding such complex thoughts.

how would you like to get a letter in the mail that states something like the following:

"Our records indicate the amount of taxes paid by your household for year 2008 does not meet the minimum requirement for you to bear one child in 2009. You have now been summoned to appear before XXX state court on such-and-such date to receive your contraceptive injection. Failure to appear to XXX state court by 08:00 AM on such-and-such date will result in fines and/or arrest."

the suggestion that those receiving welfare should be subject to drug tests and contraception opens a whole pandora's box of civil rights infringements. the paragraph above illustrates how easy it would be for everyone's rights to be affected by that logic. this is discrimination based on social class and income. if you were the commenter above who works full time but relies on welfare for assistance with child rearing costs, should you not be able to have a toke every once in a while? oh wait, she can just drink some booze -- that'll be better. pretty soon, those 'inferiors' won't be allowed to buy other 'luxury' items, such as cars or dishwashers, because, after all, they should work for the money for those 'luxuries', right?

You are right. There are a lot of people who can't feel good about themselves without taking a crap on someone less fortunate. We call them Republicans, and they are out of power and fading fast. Best wishes!

how about the fact that when I pay 15000 a year in taxes that takes away my civil rights to keep my money. you people think we should support the world and everyone in it. well get a job making billions and give it all away. I prefer to keep the money I make

I agree with you 110%!!

No shit seriously... I don't even have cable!

and maybe u should tell them where they can live and how many breaths than can take in a day while ur at it.

dont tempt me

i disagree with your assertion about cable.

the only TV i can get out here is satellite. i don't have a choice. no cable, no antenna reception (and i've tried one of those bullshit 90 mile antennas). i HAVE to have satellite if i am to receive emergency information during a disaster.

dont you have a radio, are you on welfare? if you are, I shouldnt pay for you to watch sat. T.V.

fuck that i smoke weed i dont have any problem with anyone doing any drugs as long as they maintain employment and dont suck money out of my pocket. if you need welfare and public assistance you need to be drug free. i aint paying for anyones drugs but mine.

ihatethemail,

You might need to check the affect all those drugs are having on your brain though..

Just a thought.

What are you talking about? Hawaii is so poor because of its insanely high levels of meth use; it has the highest percentage of meth addicts in the entire nation.

Thanks to you fucking dumb Americans this is what lead to it. America corrupted the world thanks. Prior to Green Harvest sponsored by you White Controlled Government, Green Harvest Marijuana was the hot ticket in town, and thanks to Green Harvest more people in Hawai’i smoke crystal meth. White people should be banished to one country and see how it feels to ruining peoples lives.

This from the person whose first two heroes are Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. LOL! You have the mentality of a kid.

Being a drinker and a nicotine addict, I couldn't agree with you more. Props!

True, marijuana may be significantly different from other drugs. But, it makes you lethargic and unmotivated.

Smoking weed is a decision made sober and without influence from addiction. If you're lazy and unmotivated it's already your destiny, weed or no weed.

"It makes you lethargic and unmotivated?" What propaganda ad did you read that in, eh? What if I said that alcohol "makes you kill other people while drunk driving?" People would respond, no no what are you talking about!? The answer is that some people make the terrible decision to drive under the influence of alcohol and are much more likely to be in a traffic accident. And you would probably defend alcohol by saying that most people DON'T become that intoxicated and DON'T make that bad decision. Well... exactly.

Some people become dependent on marijuana by believing that it is necessary for them to enjoy life, and because of their habit they can start to neglect their responsibilities. And some people can use marijuana responsibly and recreationally to unwind in the privacy of their home while still leading a productive life otherwise.

Please realize what an airhead you may sound like to the seemingly many pro-decriminalization people here when you make such an empty generalization.

Anyone else here get motivated and focused on marijuana?!? I haven't used it in a few months, but the last thing I do is veg!

Plus it still eliminates the people who have to use the drug regularly (legally) because of ailments.

once placed on welfare. thats it, if you choose to have 3 more kids that shouldn't be rewarded with more free money. thats a choice they made. let them live with it.

what a fruitcake. If they can afford drugs they sure as hell can afford rehab and dont need to be on welfare.

Clownpuncher, that's by far the stupidest logic ever. Have you noticed how many homeless people are addicted to drugs? You don't have to have a lot of money to score crack, but paying for rehab is a whole different story. Some people have to hit rock bottom before they realize how much help they really need.

Actually, offering free rehab programs would probably help because it would be easier for them to go through the program. Seriously, I don't understand why you would be so against that idea.

I agree with Kate! Clownpuncher, you have no idea what you are talking about. Being addicted to drugs mean scrounging up enough each day to get your fix. Rehab is TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AT ONCE, even in some cases if you already have insurance... those two things have nothing in common pricewise. Hell, in inpatient rehab you get beds to sleep in, three meals a day, people watching over you.... damn, most homeless or people who have hit rock bottom would want that, right!? And why do you think they don't? Because they don't have insurance and they can't afford it. Think again before you make yourself look like an idiot by running your mouth with that B.S.

yup just keep on giving money to the losers that want to sit on their lazy ass a day long doing drugs and popping out kids one every nine months. that will help. get real man. these people who sit on welfare for more than 2 years are milking the system. screw them. its sink or swin baby. I dont work all my life so someone else doesnt have too.

I come from an area that is probably 90% white. It also happens to be one of the most impoverished areas in the country. People here have literally lived on welfare for generations. I would guess that 70% of these are addicted to some form of drug, the fact that we as a society pay for their fix is sad. White or black I don't care I shouldn't be paying for someones meth addiction.

Ahh the famous Racism card! I was wondering how long it would take until someone tried to use it!

This is all about personal responsibility! You don't think it makes perfect sense to ask someone to refrain from having children while trying to get back to financial stability? What's so wrong with that? How is it racist?

Hell... my financial situation currently sucks. So you know what? I'm not having kids!!! What will I do as soon as I get to some semblance of stability? I will probably have a kid... but for now and until things get better I'm exercising this thing called self control and holding off. I'm also not begging the government for a hand out. I'll just live off less and spend less on excess purchases and such.

Seriously... what the hell is wrong with this country when people can't be expected to think before they act...

25% of black people are poor, while only 8% of white people are poor.
How do you explain that?
Some people have an advantage and some don't. It has little to do with personal responsibility.

So you are saying that because a person appears white they are less likely to be poor?

Perhaps the reason for the discrepancy in those numbers is due to the fact that there are more white people than black people and while there are probably similar numbers of impoverished people in each racial group there appear to be less white people that are poor? I'm just kinda guessing here...

If there were exactly as many black people in the US as white people and the numbers still sat at 25%/8% I would almost be convinced there was some conspiracy afoot. But since we know that the numbers aren't equal I can't just assume that it's due to skin color...

Perhaps height is a factor? Or freckles? Maybe hair color? Do you have the numbers on poor peoples eye colors? See where I'm going with this...

Your assumption is wrong. Ha! I think white trash. Never thought of blacks.

Well, Ok, let's look at Asians. Around 9% live in poverty.
There are less Asians than Blacks.

Skin color is different than eye color, height, and freckles because there is a racial identity attached to skin color. There is a "black" culture, there is no "freckled" culture or "short" culture. That's why those traits aren't a factor.

America has a long history of racism. It didn't just vanish. The civil rights movement wasn't that long ago. I wouldn't say it's a conspiracy, it's just how our society functions.

I thought this was about UAs....not colors.

"Back on your feet"?
Some people are born poor and they're going to stay poor.
Capitalism requires a lower class.
The lower class would not be able to survive without welfare. The only option some people have is minimum wage.
You can't raise a family on minimum wage without some sort of assistance.

There are some people who milk the welfare system, but the people you should be pissed off at are corporate criminals, they are spending FAR MORE of you hard earned money.

what a insane way of thinking. so people born poor have no hope. how about the people who come to this country and it takes them only 5 years to own a business. what a liberal you are. donate your money to the poor then.

Are you serious? Take a minute and think... Going from poor to rich is NOT COMMON. Yes it happens, but it's unusual. I'm talking about what normally happens, you're talking about exceptions.

My point is that people TEND to stay in the socioeconomic class they were born into. Those people need assistance just to live and raise a family.

A kid grows up poor- can't afford an education- takes a low wage paying job- has kids- repeat... That's the reality. I wouldn't say they don't have any hope, but the odds are definitely stacked against them.

Thinking that poverty is a symptom of irresponsibility is an insane way of thinking.

cant feed em....dont breed em....period.

Thanks for admitting you're a classist fascist, I just wanted to hear you say it.

i will shout it from the rooftops if you need. hell i will get a neon sign proclaiming it

I have had personal experience with the welfare system....my friends family has been on welfare since before her 24 year old sister was born, neither of her parents are working right now, and in the 6 years i have known here they never have. Her sister, who has also never had a job, has two children and is living in a three bedroom apartment with cable and a fully stocked fridge. My friend is attending a private university with tuition above 40,000 a year, and her parents just "bought" her a 08' dodge charger for her birthday. I have worked minimum wage jobs and lived on my own, and yes, its close to impossible, and yes, I have gone to the food bank before. While "born poor die poor" is often true, I don't think that this excludes you from working hard. I Know the minimum wage is rediculous to live on, and for those that make any attemp to work, assistance should be given. Do you think that my friend should have a brand new car? Your taxes bought it for her. This is what i mean. if you can't afford to buy food or pay your rent, you should NOT be spending what little money you have on drugs....this is irresponsible behavior. Drugs (as well as shiny new cars) are LUXURY items that everyone can go without. I know when my butt was in line at the food bank i most definetly didnt have any money to go buy a nice nugget of pot.....though I really would have liked to.

hell, there are people living on foodstamps driving around in brand new cadillacs, so I dont know about that comment.

Job applications are required...

In addition, you can't get welfare unless you get let go (mass firing/overhiring) or you are under prepared for the job (lack of training or vetting).

People need to do their research on unemployment, you can't just get it for free, or for no reason.