Obama pick 'too critical of Israel' - 11 Mar 09

Glad to have an Israeli puppet to replace the asshole Saudi one:))))

@mimicz ....ahh,
A clarification, I must.
Can you , with no conscience, use the term "OUR OIL MARKETS". It just sounds....... wrong.
It is like the Saudis saying,( had things of value evolved differently) ..."OUR CORN MARKET"??!!

Sure, my point is not "World Economics-Babble", and, I thank the **Heavens for that , but gets my point around, think so?

** fairly well done politically correct after-or-not-after life dodge

How an BO be "TOO harsh" on Israel?? All , and I mean ALL the MEastern countries have terrorists, human rights violations, guilty of genocide, so, what makes them different? Because the US GIVE them $10Billion a year for whatever they want to do with?? Real Pals, huh? They are all dubious over there, and Barack standing up, being his own Man and being equally fair in Foreign terroristic Policies across the board, is a most respectful thing!

It is really become clear that Obama is just another puppet in a string of puppets. Who is the puppet master? Israel!

All of his picks have to conform to the PRO ISRAEL stance or they cannot serve in the administration. PERIOD.

When will the world wake up and shake the disease of the puppet masters? When will be free from the cancer of global domination and control?

Imperialism and Global domination just got a new face lift in Obama. The face isn't going to be white anymore, the face is a face of color. The agenda remains the same.

Igordy, so, you don't advocate the "eradication of all Arabs" but the ones opposing Israel, "must die."
You describe the land occupied by Israel as "civilized" and "clean" and the Palestinian ones as "dirty and filthy."
After half of century of Israel's constant expansion and usurpation of the land, water, and resources of Palestine, and having pushed the remaining Palestinians who haven't been made refugees, onto a crowded strip of impoverished land, you describe them as having "no infrastructure." This is after decades of enforced dislocation and purposeful impoverishment by the new colonial arrivals and after having the IDF bombed this ghetto to hell from the air and crushed it by tanks on the ground.
You must be exhausted from all the mental acrobatics you need to get to this level of exquisite rationalization.
Blithely, you even want to put aside the issue of whose "land it is." Ah, well, as nice as that might be for you, as long as they are breathing I think that may remain an issue.
Well, again though, you may be fundamentally right about everything.
The Jews who have settled in Palestine since the end of WWII may be smarter and "cleaner"
have more resources, and be far more capable of "eradicating" the "dirty, filthy" indigenous population.
As you correctly note, it has been done before.
I hope I live long enough to see how the rest of mankind (my dear brothers, who to me are most accurately described as "predatory monkeys") deals with this. It may simply be a confirmation of what has gone before. If that's true, you're home free.
It will be instructive for us all.

"Freeman has now withdrawn."

Yet another one of Obama's poor choices bites the dust. Between his picks of radicals and tax dodgers and his insistence on continually cranking out the money this administration is going to put us all under even farther than we already are. We won't recognize America when he's through....

Ampersand, perhaps you misunderstood. I am not advocating Israeli violence - all I am saying is that it is completely justified. Let's put aside whose land it was, is or will be, let's put aside the upcoming conflict with Iran, let's just take a look at the situation with a sober eye. THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. It is not because of Israel - even though it is a bone du jour in the collective Arab throat. It is because there needs to be an external enemy in any non-democratic state. Why are Jordianians not shelling Israel? In fact, they are trading with her? Because their own government is spending money on infrastructure, schools (notice, I didn't say maddrassas), public trasportation, science, etc, etc, etc. So these people are starting to experience some advances in their lives - after all, their King is highly educated and seems quite intelligent. You don't see any notable radicals come out of Jordan either - even though they are a Muslim country. Their fundamentalist movement is kept in tight check by the Jordan's secret service - and the "street" is not afraid of them. Now take Palestine. Hamas, Hezbollah, fear, stolen aid, weapons, lack of inrfastructure, education, opportunity, etc. So the leaders will point their fingers at the Jews and blame them for everything. I've lived in Israel - the Jewish parts are clean, kept, civilized. The Arab parts are dirty and filthy - do they not know any better? Are they more primitive? And then come the Arafats of the world - blame is shifted, subversive actions planned, etc, etc, etc. And what is Israel to do, when her civilians are being slaughtered? When terrorists hide in schools, when they use kids as live shields? Who should be dragged to world court for crimes against humanity? IDF does everything humanly possible to avoid civilian casualties - don't ask me how - I know first hand!!! It is a policy. IDF answers to the democratically appointed government!!! Who does Hamas answer to? Who upholds their "high" standards of engagement? IDF loses hundreds of lives of young Israeli boys and girls to avoid civilian casualties - an impossible task in street to street fighting - but they still do. Hamas - well, a dead Palestinian is a ton of favorable propaganda for them - so they don't mind - in fact, they don't care and even prefer dead civilians - understanding that the information or dis-information war is just as important as military combat.

So you see, I am not advocating an eradication of all Arabs - but the ones wreaking havoc must - and will die!!! Sorry, life is not as perfect as hippies would like to believe - it is brutal and gruesome - if you live in Israel - and love peace above all!!!

Now we get to the crux of the argument. Feints and pretenses aside, what plusaf asserts is that: "we are more brutal than you, and will be more successful at being brutal"
Sadly, you may be right. We'll see.

So what "plusaf" is saying is that all the other wrongs in the world somehow make everything the apostate of "Israel" has done in it's sad, brief and brutal history to date justified. Ten thousand wrongs make it right, e.g. "Might Makes Right".

Now THERE'S some twisted illogic.

Notice the spinning descent into anger and vulgar language when they know they're arguments are bankrupt.

It's always the same old rag---any concern expressed about Israeli policy is instant anti-Semitism.
Wearily, I say again, as a child I was so impressed by the standards of Jewish achievement I had my sister make me a yarmulke. In high school and college Jewish families were the first to take me into their homes. They recognized me as a kindred spirit in the love of justice, learning, and family. And yes, we are all still close.
Also instructive however, is the first time I met two sabras on leave from the JDF. I was shocked at how deep and nonsensical their rationalizations were for how they dealt with the Palestinians. They said things like: "the Palestinians didn't want the land until we took it and made it something"--and I hadn't even asked!
Most reasonable people who do bother to read the spinning screeds from both sides in this conflict are, I think, most offended by the denial of the Palestinians even their basic humanity by many Israelis. Policy or discussion when framed by fundamentalist Zionists who claim God told them to displace anyone in their way is lunacy.
And it's lunacy nearly as costly to Israel, as to the Palestinians. They Palestinians die far more frequently, but Israel will never have peace using the rhetoric of zealots like igordy and company.
I don't think Israel can kill all the Palestinians, and with the approach some have committed themselves to, that is what it would take otherwise.

It is amazing how the hatred or dislike of the Jews has permeated throughout the years. We remove an utterly corrupt individual from a key post in our govt. and they scream Jew-Lobby has Obama by the neck. Yet these same individuals most likely don't know one person of Jewish persuasion personally!!! They've read the hate literature, often written by well-educated but biased men, they watch the media sources largely financed by the Arab world and they carry the dislikes and prejudices of their predecessors. Well, I am here to tell you, that your dislike and at times hatred is baseless!!! Peace, education, family, prosperity are the key principles in a life of a normal Jew. Aside from a few scumbags (every race and religion has some - and some more than others), Jews have contributed nothing but the best to whatever country they live in. Some of the brightest minds in the world were Jews. Israel is the epitome of these principles. Arabs live in Israel, Arabs participate in Knesset (parliament), Muslims have a freedom to practice their religion without restrictions - and this in a Jewish state!!! You saw what Talibs did to the historical Hindu statues? That's just a small example of the famous Islamic peacefulness and tolerance. Jews and Arabs have lived in peace and harmony from the inception of Israel. It's no secret, that Palestinians have held "lower" jobs from the get-go - but the Jews were educated, having come from a cultured Europe and elsewhere, while the Arabs were essentially a nomadic peoples. Just like we have a contingent of a "cheaper" workforce in US, Arabs provided that necessary and natural resource. Enter Arafat - the terrorist #1, worthy of a guillotine (and not a peace prize bestowed upon him) for the blood of thousands of Israeli civilians on his hands. That mofo had convinced the Arabs that they are being repressed and the first Intifada begins. All hell breaks loose, and the otherwise harmonious balance gets broken forever. Thousands leave their "villages" (they are nomads - remember - no homes to start with) and move to the neighboring Arab countries, in fear of Israel's repressions that never come. Then they get massacred by Jordanians inside the refugee camps - and the Jews again get the blame. None of the Arab countries have assimilated their "brothers" - nowhere can these so-called Palestinians vote, go to normal schools, leave their camps, i.e. participate in normal activities. All these countries do is arm them with weapons and hate - and whatever other money they are given are either stolen by their rulers (Arafat was super-notorious for this - hence a 20Mil/year pension for his widow) or Hamas!!!
So, don't tell me about Israeli aggression, about apartheid - look at the map of the region - a tiny - TINY swath of land that is Israel is surrounded by huge expanses of Arab lands - and the "poor" Palestinians can't live anywhere else, but on top of Jewish graves!!! Never Again!!! Have you heard that slogan? Look it up, Hitler!!!

What [Freeman] said that I think is most remarkable in his statement, is that apparently the Obama administration will not be able to dictate its own Mideast policy and he places the blame for this squarely on the Israel lobby. I'm not very educated on Charles "Chas" Freeman's politics but below you'll find two polar links to this subject matter, one from Al Jazeera and the other from The Jerusalem Post. Its health to hear both arguments before forming an opinion. I'm enjoying the debate and the wealth of dialog provided by you the Current users. thx.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/03/200931113340555177.html

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236764174357&pagename=JPost%2FJP...

It's sad to see Obama caving so early and so easily to the Israeli lobby. As once so aptly put by Congressional staff in the past: "Israel could get 400 votes in Congress for anything."
The hold Israel has over US foreign policy through money and politics is still secure in the Obama era.
Ultimately, this will be a continuation of the current unending tragedy in the Middle East.
If Obama also continues the war in Afghanistan, and keeps 50,000 U.S. troops in bases in Iraq, one wonders what the substantive difference between Barrack Obama and George Bush is in foreign policy.

Ladies and gentlemen once again do not be fooled by these lies and this stupid blame game. This guy was a Saudi Royal family puppet and an oil man. Just check his credentials. Anyone who blames the Jews for trying to get rid of this guy should shake our hands for getting rid of Saudi influence in our OIL MARKETS!!!! Remember 9/11, most of the hijackers were Saudi. Ask Michael Moore. Nothing wrong with balance of powers, it's the nature of our system.

Does the so-called "Israel Lobby" merely act to secure the interests of the State of Israel or is the real goal enhancement of the wealth, status, and power of those who pay for it? After all Saudi Arabia pays its professional lobbyists, who consequently serve the Saudi state. Not only does Israel not pay the "Israel Lobby," but The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy does not give a hint who really does, and in any case large sections of the "Israel Lobby" like the Hollywood Crowd do not even appear in the book even though scholars like Melani McAlister have investigated the Hollywood foreign policy connection in books likes Epic Encounters: Culture, Media, and U.S. Interests in the Middle East, 1945-2000. With such gaps in the analysis of the "Israel Lobby," no one should be surprised with the weakness of the proposals that Professors Mearsheimer and Walt make for responding to the "Israel Lobby."

There is no greater anti-Israeli lobbyist on the current site than you, highr0ller....well maybe not, vrotti or whiledpeas undoubtedly could give you a run....probably faster than that horse you're kissing...Bwahhahahaha

Thanks plusaf for your unfathomable data base.. I had a good info base going on my lappy, but lost it all when it crashed a couple of weeks back and now have resurrected my old xp pc, and it is taking me some time updating drivers, processors, etc. etc.

Robroy1, Israel has no say in Ameican politics, are not terrorist(as are the Palistine Hamas), and do not torture(unlike Hamas), and to compare Israel to China regarding human rights is absolutely laughable...I see your passion, but I seriously doubt your understanding...I'll invite a few friends to chime in and shed light upon your dark preception and possibly enlighten you....

Israhell or the Jews should have no say in American politics period. Israhell should be held accountable by the UN and the Internetional Court for Aparthied, Terrorism, as well as Torture, War Crimes as well as breaking the Geneva Convention. The Building of Ilegal settlements on Stolen Palestine land should be punished. Israhell's record on human rights make Chine look like a Boy Scour Troup. Most of the world would agree.

I smell puppets.

This reeks of corruption. It's not even hiding it's ugly face. Just raw, festering, putrid corruption.
Because of these influences, the Obama Admin. will be completely supportive of any aggressive Israeli Zionist behavior.