28 yr old Sunday School Teacher Arrested in the Murder of little Sandra Cantu.

maybe they're crazy?

you know... fucked up in the brain... it happens.

OMG...Barb, horrendous...

Mathematics is an utter human abstract. Like writing a phone number on your wrist to describe a palm tree.
The palm tree just shrugs, "Humans are so inane."

It only appears to look like our little mind pictures - but really, only because our minds make pictures.

O2 you sound like your in lulu land.

I understand Math - and physics, etc. This guy said God's language is math.
It's human all the way and not all that it is cracked up to be.
People get an idea in their head and are cock sure it is real (even when they are always learning more).
But when you consider that the world that presents itself is a blast of radiation and you are only creating little pictures in your mind - a cartoon world of your very own, then it becomes more difficult for anyone to get out of the "lulu land" you talk of.

My points about God are that, as the Universe we have come to understand (and our understanding is always growing) is so very much greater than all the religions and all the people and all the lives that have ever lived nor ever will live, I simply can-not-get why people cling to the religious notions they have taken on.

To think you know God is to think your thoughts and ideas understand God, that you know and understand God - that you are equal in understanding with God.

I wrote about this before, humans and all our experience are only a piddling 100k years in existence. Dinosaurs outlived us by over 2000 times. Certainly they were God's plan, right?

Regardless, we're on this one little planet, in this solar system, swinging around our galaxy. But when we magnify one little pin-point - just a pin-point in the sky (eye of the needle), we see 10,000 galaxies.
Billions of galaxies.
Billions of galaxies and billions of years stretch on. Maybe there's no end, no limit. Forever before, forever after.

So all your little ideas don't approach. If one clings to them, one clings to an utter illusion; and necessarily away from "God", or the understanding thereof.

And that's the other aspect: religion specifically prevents you from seeing what you hope to find in religions. Preventing you from finding that that your own good inclination drives you to find.

The view and precepts of religion (any that I have heard of) are human, entirely - and a real trap for the very people inclined to them.

It's the monkey-trap syndrome. The monkey reaches in for the food and then can't withdraw his fist for the grabbing.

Even when he sees he is trapped, he will not let go.

But it is exactly what he should do - that very thing he clings on to, is the very thing that traps him.

Sneaky is life, yes?

The law of gravity would exist whether we knew about it or not. The same law that causes an apple to fall from a tree causes the moon to revolve around the Earth and the Earth to the Sun and so on and so on.

Only through math did Isaac Newton discover it, thus bringing us closer to understanding the universe and knowing God. It's the same knowledge that branded Galileo a heretic for over 350 years until his recent absolution in 1992.

That's a long time to be stuck in "lulu land." You see, if you don't believe in their perception of reality, the Church used to kill you, now they just tell you you're going to hell, even when they're the heretics and false prophets using God's name in vain.

Yes, very good - however, as I said before, math isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I won't go into it too much - but we invented numbers to count potatoes and carrots.
When you apply a constant, your very number base becomes adulterated - each number is forced to be a different size than every other number.
It has to do with trying to finitely measure the infinite.
I can't go into proofs here for you but I'll do you the favor of a little whisper in your ear: - the king isn't wearing clothes...

There's still a long way, obviously we haven't come close to cracking the codes or solving the mysteries. Right now, they're having trouble applying the math we know to subatomic particles. So in the theoretical sense I can identify your point of view, but outside the classroom, it doesn't have practical application.

I think you'd agree that value of numbers is certainly more defined than the alternative: words. I disagree with the use word "invention" to describe how man come up with numbers, but 2+2 will always = 4. It's been tried and tested an almost infinite amount of times and it would be insane (as defined as: doing the same thing and expecting a different result) to dispute it.

In conclusion, I also think we can both agree that the probability that this tragedy was caused by a religious zealot is exponentially higher than that of a reasonable, logical human being. The math on killing kids never adds up to a positive.

2+2 x c squared= 186,000x186,000x2+2 - Then you square root it back to 2+2 and you get 2+2 plus the remnants of the speed of light = a little less than 2+2.

So it works for a tool when you need to see 2+2 come out at the other end of some rate of acceleration.

However, what you actually did was make 2 a slightly smaller number than 1, and 3 a slightly smaller number than 2, and 4 smaller than 3.

So to make numbers "work" in a larger world than the supermarket, you have to use the speed of light to define a ceiling - or envelope perimeter of our physical world, which is also the perimeter of our number envelope.

However this makes the numbers themselves smaller, not just an adjusted answer.
This means that the real world, married up to numbers, means that no number is the same size.
The 186,00 miles per second, some guy a long time ago measured light at, was erroneously placed, because (little did he know) those numbers weren't real.

It's like measuring "Handfuls of Sand", in units of handfuls of sand, when sand runs from the hand.

Ok, if you have a ruler, with 12 inches sitting horizontally. But since we find that the inches don't come out, we use the Lorenz Contraction to multiply the speed up light into your ruler. It becomes as if you now must take the ruler and turn it vertically and face it toward the horizon.
From this perspective, you see the second inch as a different size the the third inch on your ruler and so on. If you add ruler and inches, you will see the inches get smaller and smaller until the ruler disappears off the horizon.

Or a flask that can only hold a million one dollar coins stacked up. If you keep adding dollars, the size of each coin starts getting smaller and smaller as the hapless coins try to do your bidding.
Kinda like our economy.

Here's another: You have 4 cups of coffee (your real numbers). You decide to put ice with them for a frappachino.

You put it all in your blender and push "multiply", pureeing the coffee mixer times the speed of light squared.
Now you square root it to four cups of whipped coffee.
You will find you have a little less coffee in your drink.

So, since each number is a different size, 2+2 = slightly less than four.

And you should see it when it runs away.

So are you saying that reality is chasing the speed of light? We can't see reality as its happening, we can only see it in retrospect? Is that what you are trying to say?

No, Jubal. - The sciences at this time suppose that the speed of light is the outside possibility. As such, it sets a ceiling. A ceiling for our world. -Not that it's correct...

They're stuck on this because numbers applied to electronics and to accelerations didn't come out in classical relativity. -They then used a fun math gimmick, c squared, which does all the goofy stuff alluded to above; but the numbers came out.

This made all the physicists in world get hives for 70 years until Einstein put it that if classical relativity doesn't come out, but using the speed of light does, then the aforementioned goofy world must be perfectly correct.

Besides everyone had fun thinking about how odd the world might be if solid, unchangeable things that measure one length would actually be a different size if heading past you at a much faster speed, etc.

Consider this (according to the math): if you start going faster and faster until you get up to near the speed of light, you start slowing down further and further.
Until just before you slow almost to a stop at the speed of light you look over your shoulder, back at your spouse and you see the earth and everybody on it, spinning around at almost the speed of light.

At that perspective, everybody you know is aging and dying off rapidly.

You and your spouse both have normal experience, if not difficulty talking on the phone.
This of course depends on the presently accepted notions of light.
The above is fun - but on your question "seeing reality" - I believe we have a complex brain that creates pictures for us of what is around us. After all, your eyes are kind of like two jelly-filled golf balls with holes on one side. Nothing goes out. You are blind as a bat.

But nerves all over the opposite side of the eye get stimulated by the light and send signals down your optical nerve where you go about the very large process of your brain interactions. There seems to be many processes by which we have experience - within which, the aspect we think of as sight takes place.

A fun thought is imagining everything, and ourselves, slowing down. Being able to see these processes in extreme slow motion. The ear-drums moving back and forth while the bones of the inner ear places vibrations into the shell-shaped cochlea and all the filaments inside waving to produce the signals that move incrementally across the nerves to the brain.
A fly nearly frozen in mid flight. It's wings imperceptibly moving.
The cascading dust stilled in the thick air.

What does light look like now?

We're gonna think and see what we're gonna see - while we're alive and for whatever we remember of it.

The more the better as far as I'm concerned. How 'bout you?

How would you know the speed of light without math? Or how to square it or find the root? Or build a building, land thousands of planes everyday, tell the time of day, the distance from the sun, the tides, the seasons, the temperature, the weather, the alarm that wakes you up in the morning, the stove, the internet you are using.....

Do you not have an age? Have you ever celebrated your birthday? Have a bank account? Stocks? Do you wear a watch? Ever stepped on a scale? Get the picture? I'm talking about real life. Every fact you know is based on math, including the speed of light that you squared and rooted and put in a blender to make coffee and blah, blah, blah.

That rambling was abstract academia and could only be regarded as a theory at best. Meanwhile, this conversation has fallen victim to the law of diminishing returns; time for me to move on.

Well, that was the exact point in the first place - that math is an abstract.

Our fiddling and figuring will always be separate from the real.

We scrawl on, but do a far more fantastic job of modeling the world in our minds.

But still, the real world is so much more.

Ok, O2 and dr_overdose:

You guys have the spatial abilities of genius. I only made it through Geometry. I have a son who is an Engineer and does math problems that are pages long.

My point is this: We are all different and have different gifts. For some, parts of our brains are just more progressed in certain areas. For me, as a Hospice Nurse, my gifts are compassion, science of the human anatomy. And a gift with people who are at the lowest part of their life in losing a loved one.

All our gifts should complement each other. some people and animals are just pre-wired for aberrant behaviors. Some serial killers have been interviewed (the psychiatrists call them 'cardboard people". Somewhere along the way they either created or were born with a fantasy that they simply had to fulfill. Others, take many chemicals from steroids to hormones to illegal drugs which changes the brain chemistry and often they go insane.

The point is, you are both brilliant, and as brilliant men of the past, Newton, Edison, et al...their minds simply HAD to do what they did. I find it all very fascinated. Throw on top of that the fact that we absorb ideas from family, friends, society, sources of knowlege, I believe we have such potential to do so many more great things.

I am a spiritual person not religious. Which only means this great big universe is not an accident and we are plugged in to a power source for a time. We can use that power to make life better for the whole world or destroy it. My Astronomy Instructor (I took that for fun not knowing how HARD it would be)...he drew a line on the board first day. Linear across the board. he put a mark where we believed the big bang happened, then he put a mark when the first 'human" appeared. That mark was the last 2 seconds of the time line. Wow. Then he said: We will find out if life will continue in the next few seconds.
I used to fantasize at age 10 I could fly through all of space and wonder if I made it to the end, where would that be? And , if it is a 'wall', What is behind that wall???

Most people unfortunately do not ever make it to higher thinking. They are "Plodders". They get up, dressed, and go through the day with no thought that they are a link in the chain...a very weak or even broken one.

With all that said, until we get over the fact of the progressives that we have to exercise restraint in ridding the world of evil, we will see them take over the populace of the entire world. Just like the Pirating thing. My husband and I kept saying...why can they not send in the Navy Seals? Why can't each ship hire a security team WITH GUNS in charge of watching these thugs. there are many answers but I have no faith that any of us will ever be saved in circumstances which require the moral fortitude to stop evil and rampant greed and hatred. We lose rights and give into terror more every day. Making "nice" with insane people does not mean they will come to your house for milk and cookies!

Last comment: I grew up in various churches, watched people speak in "tongues", fall down, and it scared the crap out of me as a young girl. I rejected it was real even then. Just some hocus pocus and they all competed who could fall or swoon the most.

And my whole point is this: Almost every child of a "Preacher Man" wound up going the evil or at least the rebellious way. Others just went against organized religion altogether. I will bet this woman who killed this girl had something to do with her upbringing from which she had no escape.

Very thoughtful. I enjoyed reading your comment. Toward the end you tell of the tongue-talking church and knowing they were just competing for the greatest swoon.

I have always watched people just going right ahead with some hopelessly inane activity. When the whole time, if they could just stand up, on their own two feet (emotionally and intellectually), they'd be perfectly happy.

But they spend their time in what is obviously utter stupidity. Their whole life!
That's why I get to ranting, here and there - We only have this one chance - to be who we truly are. To amount to what you wish or need to amount to. This is it. This is where you become everything you will ever become. Forever and ever and ever. Or on the other hand - forever, not.
Fork in the road - right here, right now.
It is as important as your very life.

the little girl was probably an atheist... or possessed by a demon or some shit.

sickening, really.

If, in fact, she died because of that, then this is much worse than I first imagined.

Stomp em out like roaches that they are.

china isn't even near the atlantic. lol.

Ditto 02...

U are so right on that. And then this woman is a church sunday school teacher. Talk about abuse of trust. Sad.

or that he is.

lol

Another senseless crime. I am sure we will find out why this troubled woman did what she did. It's not clear as of right now.

why's that disturbing? sunday school teachers are just like other people.

Because Sunday school teachers are not supposed to murder children. That is why its disturbing.

hey dude last time i checked, nobody was supposed to murder children. what's your point?

it's not like you have to have a lot of qualification to be a sunday school teacher. do you picture priests and shit doing background checks on people? seriously?

Generally speaking, unless they are pedophiles, people become Sunday School teachers because they love children and want them to learn about the message of Love that is contained in the story of Jesus. Its a place where most parents that I know here in my community would be the last place to expect that their child would be murdered.

However, I get what you are saying, that people are people so why should it be any different. I get that you are being cynical. There is no good left in the world, only illusions of good.

I agree with agreeable, but not because I'm cynical. I believe in good people. I just don't think any religion indicates a person is good or evil.