Mom Says Patriot Act Stripped Son of Due Process

I thought obama was going to restore our rights and end this type of bullshit. What happened?

This is fucking beyond comprehension.

I do not live in N.C. and I do not have the means to get there to help but someone needs to organize a group of concerned parents to picket and protest the court house and the federal judge home that authorized this bullshit.

I don't give a shit what he did you do not use the fucking patriot act on minor and take peoples children away and give them no contact or information.

Wow this is insane. There are literally hundreds of websites that do nothing but list IP addresses. Crackers (pseudo-hackers that crack password protected sites and information) and phreakers use these lists to mask their activities. In a matter of minutes a single cracker can gather hundreds of IP addresses, test to make sure they are current and active and then use those addies for whatever illegal activity they have in mind. I really hope the government is doing more than just checking IP addresses to confirm the identity of a terrorist.
At any rate stories like this are the reason I use an onion router that masks my ip address. Check out the https://www.torproject.org/ if you want to protect your self from this sort of thing.

great! they can't find real terrorists so they have to arrest someone who isn't even a terrorist. Whatever happened to the United States, it use to be the home of the free! I guess not anymore.....

i had something like that happen to me as well and there was no way i was capable of any of the things i was accused of...there is no more due process and it is scary when innocent people are being treated in such an unfair way. things like that happen all the time..in my case the media did not get involved but trust me i would love to tell my story to the media...

Maybe this kid was raided by /b/tards >_>
But in all seriousness, if he really is innocent, this is pretty fucked up.

What I don't understand is why is he in a jail in South Bend, IN if he lived and was arrested in the state of N.C.

From the article:
Because a federal judge issued a gag order in the case, the U.S. attorney in Indiana cannot comment on the case, nor can the FBI. The North Carolina Highway Patrol did confirm that officers assisted with the FBI operation at the Lundeby home on March 5.

Well this is only one side of the story. Since the judge has a gag order, for all we know the mom is in self denial or is intentionally covering for her kid. How many parents do you know that have a good relationship with their kids and know what they are up to all the time.

I ain't saying the kid is guilty or that we should jump to that conclusion...only that this is just one side of the case. We just don't know yet what evidence they have on him.

this is the new america they can put you in jail or
your family and you have no rights.we let them hold
them in guantanmo with no rights and that was wrong.
i dont care who you are everyone has rights until proven guilty. now they will do it to us.get ready to see more
of this anyone who disagrees with our goverment
will be a target.

We need to hold a protest, Obama get rid of the fucking patriot act NOW.

Where is the transparency in this ! The patriot act is evil , it must be abolished . That was what I voted for , Obama !

nonsence. patriot act? lunacy.

It will take years to undo the nightmare that this last administration has visited on our country.

Fuck the Patriot Act. Bush, while now being out of office, has left his mark indefinitely.

They say actions speak louder than words, Obama has made a lot of actions, some of which I don't agree with.
Seriously, though, if actions speak louder than words, then quick action must be screaming.

Obama, repeal the Patriot Act or, so help me God, a huge mob will come after you because we know you broke you campaign promise. The one promise I had 'Hope' for.

I want my "change" and I want it NOW!

The Patriot Act, as it was originally enacted, had some truly horrific provisions. It also had some very good provisions (I am not sure how many people realize just how lengthy the legislation was...it had something like 25 sections, several of which were pretty lengthy all by themseves. Most of the really bad stuff, if I recall correctly were in one or two sections).

The amendments that were made to it a couple of years ago significantly improved it but did not go far enough. I DO hope, however, that people don't think that Obama can just change or abolish the Patriot Act. That is not a power given to the President/Executive branch. CONGRESS can either repeal it or further amend it -- repealing it would also repeal a number of provisions I think the vast majority of people would support, such as recourse for Americans who have been the victims of terrorism.

If presented with a case involving the Patriot Act, the Supreme Court could find certain provisions to be inconsistent with or contrary to the Constitution (and no, the Patriot Act does not supercede the Constitution). Given the current make-up of the Court, I would not wager money on that outcome, but stranger things have happened...

There may very well have been an abuse in this case, but we don't have enough information in front of us to make that determination. If so, I hope these guys are taken to the woodshed. People who say that innocent people have nothing to worry about from search and seizure laws are simply being willfully ignorant. A public official with a search warrant and a personal grudge can ruin a lot of lives in a very few minutes. If we take that same official and now tell him that he doesn't even NEED the search warrant...

This story doesn't have many facts. A kid got arrested by government agents who had guns. His Mom is upset. The defense attorney says the kid is innocent.
What if the kid is guilty? What if he was going to bomb something? Or, does that even matter?

Thanks for the info cztheay . So , congress better get amending or whatever , if they want keep working for the People . Too bad the "Supreme court " is so compromised . They were designed to prevent this sort of thing . Everyone deserves a fair trial . Secrecy does not become us .

Why the gag order ?

let's be realistic, if anything the intelligence community has fucked itself (assuming it supports the patriot act) because now they done messed with a middle class white person. now it's on media-wise.

I think the government shouldn't just be allowed to TELL US what is going on, as if we have to believe them. They can say anything they want. Fuck, an officer could just say I was turning tricks on a corner and arrest me if he doesn't like the way I look at him. This reminds me of an episode of The Twilight Zone where a man and his wife get tailed by a cop through a country town, who then brutalizes the man, takes him in as a criminal to be tried, and then keeps the wife for his own greedy reasons. We need to stop this corrupt law.

The patriot act is by nature unpatriotic. Its taken people this long to realize the danger of giving our government extended powers?!

Sometimes I think the FBI must be ACTING stupid in order to jail people and disobey basic human rights. But when I see stuff like this, I have a difficult time believing they are acting...

As threatening as it sounds I'm yet to hear of a story where anyone was violated without probable cause. Now I hate authority as much as the next guy but I feel safe knowing that someone has the power to stop terrorism as soon as it becomes apparent. Don't coerce with terrorists and they won't tap your phone. Don't make bomb threats and they won't come to your house.

@Mikeysfake1

I'm with you on this. Sometimes we don't have time to beat around the bush.

In my neck of the woods, a few years back three kids in town learned how to make pipe bombs. They meant no harm, had no intention of hurting anyone, but just happened to have a couple of them in the trunk of the car when they went to school. Someone ratted them out and the FBI was on them in a heartbeat, drug all the kids to lock-up, tore their parents' houses apart looking for evidence. And this happened LONG before any Patriot Act....

Patriot Act,
Act(out) Patriots,
Fleece Patrio . . the Patriarchy.

I've had the Patriot Act cited for rational to blatant Discrimination and as our more enlightened rational to justifying some pretty blatant Shut-down of Interstate Commerce.

I've yet to receive apology or assurance of remedial endeavors or information of problem addressed within the "governmental and/or banking institutions."

No wonder or State Chartered banks have been suffering within our more "secure" lands of opportunity.