Middle school girls make instructional cartoon about how to kill classmate
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A Pierce County mother says she's horrified by a cartoon video - posted online - that showed several ways to kill her sixth grade daughter. The cartoon was made off school grounds by some of her daughter's classmates, girls aged 11 and 12. Titled "Top Six Ways to Kill Piper," it includes depictions of girls shooting her, making her commit suicide, poisoning her and even pushing her off a cliff.Beth Smith tells KING5-TV the cartoon was set to a Hannah Montana song called "True Friend" and posted on YouTube. Her daughter Piper attends Elk Plain School of Choice in Spanaway, Wash., as do the girls who made the video. The little girl says it hurt her feelings. Because of privacy rules, the Bethel School District says it can't say how the girls were disciplined. But district spokeswoman Krista Carlson tells KING the students involved "have expressed their remorse about this incident." A report was also filed with the sheriff's department.
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MotherForTruth
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As I was reading all of the comments, I wondered, what would happen if a group of 11-12 year old BOYS made an instructional cartoon about how to kill classmate. Would there be many comments with reasons why the cartoon was not intimidating, or should not be taken seriously, or the boy did not look as if he could hurt anyone. There is a lot of statistics on ever growing female violence and growing number of suicides among boys and men.
- 9 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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KevinLionheart
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Did you actually watch the video and look at the pictures and the situations, or just read the headline and assume the worst?
The drawings are 1st grade style stick figures, it's in a Dave Letterman 'Top Ten' style list, the soundtrack is a Hannah Montana song, and one of the drawings has them hiring a Ninja to kill her. Yeah, clearly they're serious.
Listen to the girl (not the mother) and watch her body language. She just says "it really like...hurt my feelings," while maintaining a perfectly straight face. The only emotion I can see out of her is concentration as she tries to remember what her mother told her to say. My response to this story is gender neutral, just replace the female pronouns with male ones and that's how I would have reacted.
Was it stupid and inappropriate? Absolutely. Should the girls get disciplined and should an adult talk to them and listen to what they have to say? Certainly. Was it real plans to perform an actual act of violence against a classmate. Of course not. Should the girls be sent to Juvenile Hall and go to trial or be expelled because of this? Don't be silly.
This story is practically catered to be blown out of proportion by the media, no wonder the mother went to CNN probably with dollar signs in her eyes.
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KevinLionheart
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mik661
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Why does everyone seem so surprised? There has always been mean girls tormenting other girls. The only difference is the technology involved in an innovative way to bully.
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mik661
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MotherForTruth
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Thank you for posting this info. Violence against boys and men is a growing problem in our society and needs more attention on stereotypes: girls and women are pure, moral and blameless, while boys and men as inherently immoral, violent, deserving only condemnation and punishment.
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MotherForTruth
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twitterbot
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@ani_jo on twitter says "@mileycyrus plz RT this bullying article,they used HM music"
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twitterbot
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warmvinyl
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Let's see. They picked out a theme song. Discussed and came up with six different ways to off the girl...including committing suicide....like another young girl bullied by "just kids". Posted it on Youtube and their names and identity are withheld because they were remorseful?. I'd be remorseful too if after hatching such a hateful scheme that my parents and the school authorities shot down my 15 minutes by keeping my name out of the media. They will just find another way to become media attention whores....it starts early and yes they are potential Columbine murderers
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warmvinyl
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Mikeysfake1
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That's comedy right there. Technology is really advancing bullying practices.
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Mikeysfake1
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asherp
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Kids are evil little bags of shit.
I totally sympathized with Carrie.
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asherp
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RubyJ
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asherp:
As a generalization I would have to say your right. And your comment made me lol...Thanx
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RubyJ
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lu7cky
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I blame all the media blamers
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lu7cky
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twitterbot
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@SpGNo on twitter says "these girls would get a contract w/comedy central if they were adult males. #hypocrisy"
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wayseeker
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To a sincere nonviolent child this act could hurt their feelings badly and maybe even scar them for some time. The more I think about it the more I see it as a cruel act that should be dealt with.
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wayseeker
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nkeg87
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When I was a kid, I wasnt sitting around making videos on how to kill someone I didnt like. I was out playing sports and stuff like that. I dont think there is any excuse for this because stuff like this is crazy. Yes, there are violent games and shows and movies. But how many people actually consider killing someone? Ive seen plenty of violent movies and used to play GTA but I dont go around wanting to kill people. I dont think that's normal. And I think that if they are willing to make a movie about killing her, what would stop them from actually seriously hurting someone? I hope they learned a lesson, to say the least.
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nkeg87
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bombastinator
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Bullying is an age old thing. it's just the method that's changed, and it hasn't even changed that much. This just happened in a way that was traceable by adults.
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bombastinator
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kitteneater
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Yeah! Lets make our kids hold in their anger so they eventually pull a columbine!!!!!
They never tell you want the chick did to trigger the animations...She was probably mean.
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kitteneater
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michail77
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This does point to a difference in the way boys and girls are treated. If it were boys they'd be in juvi by now.
I read a study somewhere that said the meanest and most manipulative stage of human development is a pre-teen to young teen girl. Once they hit about 18 a strong sense of empathy begins to develop, perhaps stronger than that of the males.
Anyway, in the interview Piper looks like a girl that can handle herself. Her mom on the other-hand isn't doing too well.
Is Piper a female bully? It would be unfair to say so on the given info but those girls are good artists.
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michail77
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michail77:
or the boys wouldn't be in any trouble
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earthhugger
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nddicola
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absolutely mind blowing. this is not just some silly kids thing KevinLionheart. They took the time to make up 6 ways to kill a classmate?
If anything the young girls need to be taught the value of life, and how not to take it lightly.
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nddicola
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omshaantih
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what makes us human is that we should behave more HUMANE and less like animals! those girls are absolutely behaving more filthy than most animals and they should be kept in a zoo if they want to continue such horrid behavior. Not all girls need to act in such a manner.
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omshaantih
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wayseeker
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omshaantih:
I believe you're right.
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wayseeker
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omshaantih
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the girls who created that video should ABSOLUTELY BE KICKED OUT OF THAT SCHOOL! Make their parents pay for them to go to private school so the poor innocent victims can go on to their normal studies without being harassed in such a barbaric and inhumane way! the problem with this is that people seem to want to sweep this under the carpet too easily...the problem is the so called ADULTS in this country are behaving like children and do not want to address the real cause for concern!!!
- 9 months ago
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omshaantih
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earthhugger
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honestly, i know everyone takes this serious. but it's not. i mean stuff like this happened all the time at my school. its really not a big deal in my opinion. she looks like someone who victemizes people. and they were probably trying to take out there anger in a non physical way.
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earthhugger
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earthhugger:
Well I have to say, I am developing a suspicion of which end of the bullying you were on.
I did see a kid get a swirly once. They work pretty well if you have a mullet btw. His head looked like a giant Hershey's kiss. I saw him quietly poke his head out of the bathroom after the kids that did it to him ran off and I couldn't help but laugh. It looked amazing.
He was different after that. Much more withdrawn. He started trying to bully younger students and eventually dropped out of school.
So yeah I'd have to say that the no big deal thing is total BS
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earthhugger:
which end do you think i was on? i was on the recieving end of it..
i used to have weight problems, and i know what it's like to be bullied. but this just seems like something some vengeful people would do. - 9 months ago
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sue4e3
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what is everyone saying .kids see and play violence so this ok my mother would have beat my butt .and would have said you want violence there you go. My children know killing is wrong and a sin no matter what you see on t.v. or who is wrong.the ideas for the types of killing might have come from some form of media but if parents would go back to being parents this would not even be on the table
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sue4e3
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katharinekov
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i love this
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katharinekov
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randallr01
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While I definitely see the cause for concern here, I'm secretly applauding these girls for their creativity.
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yesindeed
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middle school is tough.
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yesindeed
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fuckoffgenX89
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this is another case of using the internet in a stupid way.
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wayseeker
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While this is "just a kid thing to do" something seems sinister about this particular case. Maybe because it was put on line. Hopefully it was just in fun and not a display of anger or hatred toward the little girl.
- 9 months ago
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wayseeker
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These are some evil little demons who have no business being in a public school. I'm sorry. we are suppose to be at our purest of heart at 12...If this is what they can come up with...We need to take these kids and throw them in the slammer and forget about them now.
GEEZ....what is WRONG with these kids?
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LaMonica109
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RubyJ
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And Boys will be Boys! It's the media! It's society! They're just kids. It's that mean girl legacy! It's the music! Lack of education! War! Girls are meaner than boys...It could go even further than just a south park cartoon. What if YOUR KID accidentally hurt another kid? What if they accidentally killed them? How would you feel? As a child, were you a bully or a victim? And how would it feel for you , either way to be on national media? Do you think you would ever out grow it? Parents be responsible....What if.....?
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RubyJ
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fun_size
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Wow thats messed up. And these girls are more than old enough to understand what they were doing...
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fun_size
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KevinLionheart
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Seriously, this is news? How is anyone taking this seriously? It's a joke between a few girls who had probably been picked on by 'Piper' and were venting their frustration.
The drawings are made in the style of a 7 year old, not a 6th grader there's your first sign it's not serious. Watch the many interviews with Piper and her Mom and tell me she isn't a stereotypical 'mean girl' and her mom is basically 'Kyle's Mom'.
Girls getting picked on make a silly cartoon and are dumb enough to post it on youtube so the media can get their hands on it and turn it into "middle school girls plot murder!'
Get some perspective people! Not every child is a columbine massacre waiting to happen!
- 9 months ago
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KevinLionheart
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J_Jammer [removed]
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KevinLionheart:
How is that a joke?
It doesn't matter how mean someone is...it doesn't justify this kind of video. Ever.
- 9 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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KevinLionheart:
Would you have responded differently if the story was Middle school boys make instructional cartoon about how to kill classmate?
- 9 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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omshaantih
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I would feel safer walking the streets of Newark than down the hallways of that school...I feel really bad for that girl piper...I am considering homeschooling my little girl if I cannot afford to send her to a local Private school..but someone was saying private schoool kids are worse than public so who knows....either way i would have my daughter take self defense classes after such a threat as that
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omshaantih
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RubyJ
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omshaantih:
I'm with you!
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RubyJ
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omshaantih:
There are disturbed people everywhere you go. If you home school your daughter she wont know how to deal with them as a adult. For her sake, please don’t home school her
- 9 months ago
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jaystyx
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FallenMorgan
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As someone said above, school-aged girls can be rather mean. It seems at times that society conditions them to be competitive with eachother.
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FallenMorgan
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RubyJ
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FallenMorgan:
Those darn girls!
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RubyJ
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current89
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I find this all very disturbing. These girls could technically be arrested on charges of terroristic threats, yet it seems all they got was a flimsy slap on the wrist at best. And no one is remorseful that quickly, they're just manipulative and possibly sociopathic.
- 9 months ago
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current89
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current89:
That's always a possibility. Some of the girls may have just gone along with the group,(bad move) but one or two of them got the idea, initiated it and perpetrated the whole thing. When I was caught in a situation like this I would say 'you guys can't get away with this it will be traced right back to you, adults aren't stupid'. Sometimes they would listen and think about how stupid it was. Then I'd cross them off of my frequent friends list.
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nursediesel
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l1ttlebear
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c'mon....haven't we realized children are the farthest thing from prefect little angels? is THIS really that shocking? i mean, for all we know, piper maybe deserved it!
ahaha
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Kuklamania
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maybe they should watch some graphic war movies to show how real death is. They're kids.. i doubt they think of it seriously. But once they realize what they did they'll be like oh shizzle.
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Kuklamania
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Kuklamania:
Do tell that to the victims' families of children who used guns in Africa. I'm sure that's real comforting that they had no idea what it meant to kill someone.
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
Yo Jammer,
Guess it's those girlies with the guns in Africa that ya gotta watch out for. And I bet those girlies are just as mean as can be and don't get no discipline at school. - 9 months ago
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
actually there are plenty of female child soldiers in africa. i will back this up if necessary.
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Nephwrack
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
Neph....guess you didn't get it.
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
It just means they have no parents. Could certainly say the same for these kids.
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
Yo Jammer, You're right my friend. You can certainly say that.
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania
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Kuklamania:
lol wtf? africa and this situation are completely different. You are talking about those kids growing up in violent situations. One's where most of them dont know anything else but violence and death. How can you even compare the two? These girls are not growing up in africa...
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Kuklamania
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
Hey Kukkie...love, "actually there are plenty of female child soldiers in africa." I hear you're just the one to back it up!
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
This Ruby guy's pretty dumb, huh?
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DougChristian
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RubyJ
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Kuklamania:
Doug...what next ..you make a video out of me? I bet if you met me face to face, you wouldn't dare say that to my face.
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RubyJ
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First of all girls are meaner and second of all they are great liars.
THEY LIED....they lied. They knew if they pretended to show remorse that they'd get off easier. And they probably cried on top of that. If these were boys....they'd be in 10 x more trouble than they these faking "we're really sorry" girls.
Remorse. hahahahah....that school's spokesperson as well as itself are so stupid. Someone should have came up with a better statement than that.
They can't have remorse that quickly. Why? Because they had SIX ways. There were how many girls? Four or five of them? They had to discuss the six best ways. They had to agree or someone had to state that this was one of the good ways and can be part of the six. They are disgusting and there is NO way that this doesn't reflect on the parents as well as them being vile and needing some sort of mental help. They should not be in school and just like a boy if they had done it....they should be suspended.
I mean a boy can write down names on a hitlist and he'd go home and be suspended but if a set of girls makes a video depicting violence against another student...well they get protected.
Sexists....where are those woman's rights people? Fight for equality here.
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J_Jammer:
women are catty as hell!
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lordsbassman
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islek
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J_Jammer:
Yeah we are. Generally.
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islek
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Tomorow
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Has anyone thought of maybe subliminal messaging in those hannah montana songs?
But seriously, this crazy. And yes jamespolk this stuff does happen alot in urban areas. It's just...covered up better.
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Tomorow
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DeliaTheArtist
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I'm reading so many media based responses. Are you serious? MTV and Video Games and R rated Movies? That's what you will point your finger towards? Meanwhile there is so much REAL, actual violence happening in our world, why doesn't anyone point to that when situations like this come up?
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DeliaTheArtist:
word. video games and movies should be the responsibility of the parents. i mean you always hear about these kids getting exposed to them, but it's not usually the hippies and lefties buying their 12 year olds that stuff.
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DeliaTheArtist:
And it's the parents that are not really promoting tolerance to there children ether.
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theurbancalvin
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DeliaTheArtist:
You've got to blame it on something... and the rain don't care!
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foebea
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jamespolk
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Some parts of USA scare me a lot, We really don't hear stuff like this happening in Urban areas, well don't get me wrong urban areas are dangerous but you don't hear of sick stories as such. I find this Horrifying!
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jamespolk
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jamespolk:
this is a good point...i am definitely more afraid of the cult like weirdos living in suburbia instead of the urban areas where i live...i live in suburbs and I currently find the people here creepy...
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jamespolk:
i've spent about a year in washington state, that place will make anyone batshit crazy. wait that's just the weather. beautiful place when its sunny.
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Nephwrack
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RubyJ
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jamespolk:
Nephie...baby...what's love got to do with it?
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RubyJ
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MotherForTruth
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jamespolk:
Media does not accurately report female violence. Girls can be vindictive and violent, but for some reason there is always an excuse for females not for males. I agree with Nader123 "no matter what the intent was"... What would responses be if gender was reversed?
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MotherForTruth
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GodsnLiberals
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time to re-think the value we get out of video games and reckless liberal tv shows
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GodsnLiberals
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GodsnLiberals:
can we name off a few reckless liberal tv shows please? i'd like to see them!
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fun_size
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GodsnLiberals:
Yep because we all know how many young schoolgirls play violent video games. Do you actually think when you type or do you just let the stupidity flow?
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fun_size
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RubyJ
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GodsnLiberals:
Fun...That was nicely stated.
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RubyJ
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GodsnLiberals:
Dont you dare blame liberals for this you ass hole
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RubyJ
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RubyJ
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RubyJ
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GodsnLiberals:
Hey Jay..man.... get a grip!
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RubyJ
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GodsnLiberals:
I am so sure that these kids got this idea from sunday school. come on you guys knows the power of the media..its powerfull enough to get a man elected as president..enough to make BILLIONS OF DOLLARS..
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GodsnLiberals
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Sumkrazyguy55
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GodsnLiberals: This comment is under review, so it has been temporarily hidden.
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RubyJ
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GodsnLiberals:
Sum...Sadly in the Tyson situation it appears to have followed the universal law..what goes around comes around.Or you reap what you sow.
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RubyJ
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These girls are just doing South Park and Piper is their Kenny. Doesn't make it right, but I think it's best to understand where it's coming from.
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antiutopia
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MissAmanda
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this is why i don't hang out with girls...crazy bitches. stop letting your 12 year olds watch mtv and rated R movies...
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cantucwearebrothers
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MissAmanda:
Right...that's gonna solve all their problems. Good thinking.
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maxjunk
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Wow, I laughed my ass off when I saw this. Good idea, actually.
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artemis6
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What people do not realize (they're not meant to) to the advertising departments of these multinational corporations have weekend conventions on 4 year old latino girls . So they can more effectively prey on the secret insecurities and longings o of these vulnerable creatures to get the desired results . Basically they want us all to fill that emptiness with products . Their products . (This is a short term fix , because what we really need is each other) To be truly present with each other is a lost art . At least they expressed themselves through a cartoon , and not real life . Kids are great when they get proper guidance . I bet that piper girl especially needs some social skills too .
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chunche
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Cyber-bullying 101-how disappointing.
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chunche
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Nader123
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Those are mean spirited girls, no matter what the intent was, and I hope it's no reflection on society but only isolated.
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artemis6
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I wish the accent in our culture was on emotional intelligence and relationship skills , it is'nt . It is fully on getting and consuming things . An easier goal to be sure . On TV I have noticed killing seems to solve a lot of problems . Then the government "war on this and war on that " . This is exactly what to expect , as well as the end of "family values".
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artemis6
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RojoGatto
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HOLY SHIT DO I HAVE CHILDREN?
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malathion
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RojoGatto:
ha ha
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Kamilo
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lol old story, heard this DAYS ago on regular news.
1. Half of the "ways to kill Piper" were completely unrealistic and exactly what you would expect from little kids who have been exposed to modern media. Cause ya, giant spike pits to push people into are just all over the place right?
2. The school did the right thing and chose not to punish the girls after talking with them because if you can't tell from the art itself, THEY'RE KIDS! This is the kind of thing kids do ALL the time. Kids play cops and robbers type games and are constantly "shooting" at each other and "falling to the ground dead"; shows like Power Rangers feature explosions fights and gun battles galore; and half the toys out there these days are shaped like weapons (Nerf, Super Soaker, Lightsabers, etc.). None of these are national news are they? HEADLINE: Boy pretends to shot friend using Nerf gun at school, suspended 4 weeks.
I know, instead of acting like adults and just explaining why this is wrong to the kids, lets publish it nationally, probably blowing all the actions of the school WAY out of proportion on the whim of public interest and possibly traumatize these young girls. Good game plan. - 9 months ago
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Kamilo
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Kamilo:
Wow K....You have just pulled it all together....What a smartie!!
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RubyJ
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Kamilo:
Are you a Libertarian? I ask because most Libertarians I meet share your lack of ability to make nuanced moral distinctions.
You really think this is comparable to "cops and robbers"? Incredible.
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Kamilo:
Well said Kamilo! I totally agree.
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ddelazan
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kayceeparker
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Mean Girls 2
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Nettle
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Damn, sounds like some hateful girls. Scary shit.
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Chetrick
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Wow, thats pretty intense. I'd assume that even with privacy rules that this would be an exception for expulsion or at the very least a suspension.
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Chetrick