Obama, Like Bush, Just Doesn't Get It - Neglects The Negative Impact Of U.S. Foreign Policy
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shanklinmike
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Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, if Obama did go to school in Indonesia he would've had to passively give up his American citizenship nullifying him as a natural-born citizen. I am just wondering what I have wrong about this picture....any proof or links are welcomed! I would like to hear the other sides story on Obama's schooling in Indonesia.
- 8 months ago
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shanklinmike
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McCainiac
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This isn't that hard to figure out unless you've just finished school and think you know it all. We have an open society. Some places don't. The people who run the closed societies want their people to think that their way is better than ours. They will fight to keep it that way. Since our society is open, we have people that run around preaching that the closed society is better. In the closed society, if someone runs around and says that an open society is better they cut his head off. The problem arises when our leaders don't stand up for their principles and dismiss the fact that leaders that cut peoples' heads off should answer for their crimes. Now the confused people in our society who think that decapitation is justifiable but capital punishment is wrong feel empowered because their leader is echoing their mania. The hope is that most of the people who joined in with the decapitators are snapping out of their hypnotic state and running back to sanity. People who run countries aren't going to change the way they rule because you bow to them and tell them that their shit don't stink.
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McCainiac
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nufsenuf
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All of you negative, hate-filled, reactionary, nay-saying buzz-killing, sore losers can BITE ME HARD! Knock it off, get off your sorry, lazy, soft, white- bread asses and do something besides sit around and throw aspersions at the first freaking good thing that has happened in this country for - oh - I don't know - maybe 40 frickin' years!! For the Love of God - are you all just so stuck in your own little world of pain that you can't possibly imagine anything or anyone good actually impacting the status quo? Do YOU have the answer? I think Not -(as obviously illustrated by the foregoing illuminating comments) DUH!! Please, try actually living in the real world, (ie, not just in cyber-land) and then, maybe we can have an intelligent conversation about Obama, the state of the world and his impact upon it!
- 8 months ago
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nufsenuf
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rockstarmillionaire
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Yes, maybe we can wake up some of these interventionists by waking up to the logic that occupying someone elses country is going to incite hatred and terrorism. How would the US liked it if China moved in with bases and all over our country and how would we react. What hypocrites.
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rockstarmillionaire
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kiltedandfree
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Yes, America has made mistakes in areas overseas they have been in most countries in the middle east, by invitation or not because they want western technology. They take then they hate us. Osama was NOT trained by the US to fight Russia in Afghanistan, Vierotchka. He was armed by the CIA, we aided his fight against an aggressive Russia, so what? We gave Saddam WMD's to fight Iran, after they kept American hostages for 444 days. No country out there is innocent, and especially no Muslim country. Why if you are an American, do you enjoy seeing American troops make mistakes which are few and far between and never intentional., Do you really think our military make mistakes on purpose? Seems you people think so. Revisionists can see history how ever they want. And who the hell is Zimm? You know not everything you read in print is the truth, verotchkla. My Gawd, you need a president who makes mistakes and a military that isn't perfect, so you can bitch and sound smart to your peers You believe whom ever you like, me I prefer to love my country and I do not like those who hate our country for no reason, nor presidents who apologize for us and tell Muslim countries that we are no longer a Christian nation. Go to any football, basketball game, rodeo, whatever sporting event and we always pray and sing the National Anthem before every event. If all you see are military errors and somehow believe that you knowing about it and broadcasting to the world somehow keeps America honest when it makes no sense to broadcast them to everyone. There are some things you have no need to know. There are some secrets better kept behind closed doors I have absolutely no use for revisionists and people who would rather see the reputation of this great country be bashed among the rocks hate America
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kiltedandfree
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allIknowis
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kiltedandfree:
HOO YAH? you nailed it.
Using Zinn's crap (you really can't call it a book) to prove America is wrong is like when the Klan used the bible to prove their hatred and murder was "ordained by God" same as that wacko in Topeka that protests at military funerals to prove "god hates gays".
You have to consider the source.
Every country does distasteful things to achieve a greater good. We allied with Russia in WWII to stop the Nazis. You have to choose the lesser of evils sometime. We armed the mujahideen in the 80's to stop Soviet aggression, it worked.
The old my enemy's enemy is my friend... today. de Gaulle said it pretty well, "we don't have allies, we have intrests."
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allIknowis
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Vierotchka
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kiltedandfree:
And the CIA is not a US organization?
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka
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kiltedandfree:
kiltedandfree, you have a future in revisionism.
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Vierotchka
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adamsmithfreedom [removed]
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I just wonder what the other side of the story is.....
How can he be a natural born citizen if he gave up his citizenship to be in mono citizenship Indonesia?
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adamsmithfreedom [removed]
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Vierotchka
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adamsmithfreedom:
He never gave up his American citizenship.
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Vierotchka
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adamsmithfreedom [removed]
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This is the school registration card when Obama was in Indonesia. The only way he could've been in their public school system was if he was a citizen at the time. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. They even have his religion as Islam......
I am not saying he is Muslim, but that is what his father put on his card.
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adamsmithfreedom [removed]
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Vierotchka
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adamsmithfreedom:
This has been thoroughly debunked and proved to be a fraud.
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Vierotchka
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shanklinmike
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adamsmithfreedom:
Please give me a link that shows his Indonesian school registration to be fake. Thank you
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shanklinmike
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Nader123
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There's too much being made of the power of the president, it's the parties not the president that have the biggest influence on policy.
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Nader123
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kennymotown
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We get the government that the rich elite want us to have! For now I give President Obama the benefit of the doubt.
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kennymotown
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Nader123
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kennymotown:
no doubt about it...
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Nader123
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gen468
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What scares the hell out of me is that about half of this country put Bush in Office and the other half put Obama in office.
That make 100% of American voters dumb asses.
We get the government that we ask for. - 8 months ago
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gen468
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kiltedandfree
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gen468:
Did you vote? If you didn't don't bitch, you have no right. If you are not from America, no one cares about your opinion. I'm sure whereever you are from people are dumbasses there too.
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka
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gen468:
kiltedandfree, I'm sure he voted. He is from America, but if he weren't, most people would care about his opinions anyway. As for dumbasses, all the dumbasses from Europe emigrated to the US.
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Vierotchka
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Nader123
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gen468:
That's a good one...
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Nader123
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regjoeschmo
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Didn't Saddam get his weapons from us as well??
Isn't the "country of Iraq" a product of the league of nations??
Acknowledging the truth of the effects of our foreign policy is far from "hating America", our founding fathers are turning over in their graves because of the atrocities we have commited in their names. Not one of them would have been behind any of our actions in the middle east......This is not revisionism to go back to the principles that founded our great nation.
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regjoeschmo
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Vierotchka
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regjoeschmo:
Iraq is a pure product of the British Raj - it is a haphazard collection of tribal territories which used to be part of the Turkish Empire and which were taken over by the Brits when said Empire was defeated.
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Vierotchka
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kiltedandfree
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I just love reading revisionist history. Why would Osama bin Laden happily take our help with Russia only to turn on us later? Yeah he is some kind of saint. America is evil and Muslims are poor downtrodden people sat on by evil America. So much bull shit it makes me sick. You revisionists can say and believe whatever you want, because there are enough of us who see history for what it is and see the enemy for what they are. I just have one question to the revisionists, why do you hate America so much? Why do so and still live here and enjoy her freedoms. My suggestion is that if you feel so sorry for Muslims,and hate American's so much then maybe you should move to Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or some other Muslim country.
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka
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kiltedandfree:
Osama was recruited, financed, equipped and trained by the US to fight the USSR in Afghanistan.
As for seeing History for what it is, perhaps you ought to read Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" - you might then understand why the well-deserved hatred for the US.
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Vierotchka
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Here's what everyone, regardless of political persuasion, should imprint on her or his mind: The image of George W. Bush landing on an aircraft carrier, macho-strutting across the flight deck, and then announcing to the world that the "mission" had been accomplished.
Now? These many, many years later? Everyone, all around the globe, knows that the "mission" (continually redefined though it might be) is nowhere close to being "accomplished." Our tax dollars are still bleeding into the desert soil of Iraq and Afghanistan, and so is the lifeblood of brave American men and women.
The point? The "mission" cannot be accomplished by aircraft carriers. It cannot be accomplished by either American or mercenary "boots on the ground." It cannot be accomplished by bribing and arming Sunni to fight against Shia.
The true mission, securing America's position as primus inter pares among the world's leading nations, can only be accomplished by putting, not military *boots*, but diplomatic civilian *shoes* on the ground.
The situation has changed from what it might for a very, very, very brief historical moment have been -- might!
Other nations control the oil to which our nearsighted politicians insist we should stay addicted. Other nations hold the paper on the debts we are incurring to pay for the hastily conceived and unnecessary two-front war in the Middle East.
[Among those holding our paper are Saudi Arabia (energy provider) and China (bidding against us with Saudi Arabia and other producers for the world's rapidly dwindling supply of oil). Nice!]
Mercenaries and private contractors, being paid significantly more than our own troops for doing the very same work, have become indispensable (at least for the near term) and are continuing to extort no-bid, cost-plus contracts. [ook it up!]
Bottom line?
We put our balls in the rough, vicious hands of one enemy; and we expose our throat to the razor of another enemy. And from this position you expect us to succeed by blustering, threats, intimidation, and even violence? Yeah. Right.
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Scarabus
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Vierotchka
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Scarabus:
Very true. My question is - Why is securing America's position as primus inter pares among the world's leading nations important? It is hubristic, in my opinion. It reflects a desire for dominion and hegemony.
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka
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Abraham99, Obama is no more of a Muslim than you are. If he is a Muslim, you are ten times more a Muslim than he. Your ignorant analysis is nonsensical, at best.
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Vierotchka
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka:
Obama was born Barry Sotero, changed his name to Obama which is a Muslim name, why would he do that if he was not Muslim? Stick your head in the sand longer, it belongs there
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
Not so, since his name was Barack Obama Hussein (the same name as his father). His mother married Mr. Sotero years after he was born. His half-sister does have the Sotero family name since she is Mr. Sotero's daughter. You really ought to get your facts right instead of spewing nonsense. Oh, and Obama is NOT a Muslim name, it is a typical Luo name (Luo is the name of a Kenyan tribe, but only a minority of Luos happen to be Muslim converts).
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Vierotchka
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Nader123
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Vierotchka:
And let's just assume for a second that he is muslim, what's your point?
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Nader123
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Abraham99
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Vierotchka is proving nothing other than showing us that Obama did not change anything. Barry is kissing Arab oil butt the same as always.
Whatever we say against this Moslem president who tricked our country into voting for him, whatever negative, Vierotchka will still say, Obama only just got into office.
Right, he only just got into office...all he could only do in four months is to spend two trillion dollars of our children's money, change our system from Capitalism to Social-Communism, smile and shake hands with Chavez who insulted our president, supported North korea and Hezbollah and Hamas and Islam, alienated our friends in England, Israel, Australia and South Korea. Now that is all fine, if this would be a country called, "Cuba."
The man can't help it, he just got in. - 8 months ago
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Abraham99
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Kylsport
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Abraham99:
Vierotska is doing something she learned from Michael Malone, the director of Fahrenheit 9-1-1, with a skill known as cut and paste.
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Kylsport
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regjoeschmo
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Same jester, different mask. They know exactly what they are doing.....
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regjoeschmo
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akamaial [removed]
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New shoes under the desk at the Oval office, yet the same old ass-kissing policies...kissing and bowing oil producing countries ass, thanks to environmental whacko f*#cks!
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Vierotchka
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akamaial:
Your "logic" is risible, at best, akamaial. Environmentalists want to get us OFF oil, they don't kiss and bow to oil-producing countries.
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Vierotchka
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akamaial:
Just suppose, for a moment, that the "environmentalist whacko f*cks" had had their way. We would be using less oil per capita than we are now . . . and how would THAT put us in the position you graphically describe? I'm all in favor of people getting their backs up, politically; only I'd rather that their ire stem from understanding issues and events rather than from hopelessly MISunderstanding them
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akamaial:
Of course Environmentalist don't kiss up to anyone. This small minority want everyone to cave into their religion by force. That is tyrannical, through traits of narcissism. Narcissist don't ever want to suck up to anyone.
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Kylsport
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akamaial:
Actually....when in Rome do as the Romans do......so a kiss on the cheek is a normal greeting in the Middle East, just as it is in France.
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka:
This picture is faked, anyone can see that, just what are you trying to do?
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
Of course it is faked, but it accurately albeit discreetly reflects the nature of Bush's relationship with the Saudi royals.
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
At least Obama did the real deal and bowed and kissed the forehead, I mean the knuckles of the Saudi King and wasn't ashamed to admit he is a buttkiss.
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Kylsport
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Vierotchka:
Like a typical cheating wife or girlfriend, you will announce the lie and stick to it as long as you can until someone exposes you. Most of the members I write to did not guess that you posted fake, trick pictures, because they believed you. Only when two people noticed, did you admit and call it, "a joke that anyone could see."
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Vierotchka:
Bollocks, kylsport.
Abraham99, if you were even ever so slightly aware and informed, this picture is famous and known to be a photoshopped montage, as anyone with more than half a working brain-cell knows.
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
'll use this to reply to your replies to my posts. ? Anyway, yes the CIA is an American entity, did I indicate otherwise. What I was saying was that Osama bin Laden was not recruited and trained, he was just supplied with arms. OF course there was someone teaching them how to use the arms, like the stinger ground to air personal missile. Point being that he used us when he needed us when we gave him what he wanted but the minute he was done with us he turned on us. Quite a guy, huh? I suppose you see him as a great leader? Me, since he orchestrated 911, I'd love to put a bullet between his filthy eyes. I forgot what your other comment was but is wasn't much of a zinger and must have not impressed me because I forgot it. These pictures you posted, can you not see the kiss picture is faked? Why post such a faked picture like this unless you are pointing out that it has been faked? You posted it as though it was real to show how much Bush was in league with the King of Saudi? I think you missed your point. Now, case in point, that picture will be believed by those who want to believe it, but those of us who are aware of the uses of altered photographs and mis-information will look at it with skeptism and see easily that it is a fake.
Please answer this for me since I cannot get any leftist liberal to answer, you will do. Why take the enemies side and believe what they say? Do you not understand propaganda? Do you not understand how information can be manipulated to say whatever you want and it is being done in spades in our leftist liberal media. They relish stories about errors in our military. Why? Because they want to make people who are gullable and without a strong moral base to believe them so as to manipulate them into believing their agenda and that Bush and our military are evil and must be watched because they kill women and children. Why do you choose to believe that crap? Why be so anti-American to hold such hatred? Granted Bush had a long way to go to be even a good president, but he did not orchestrate 911 so he could invade Iraq. He did not say that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda connections. That was thrown in later to say he lied to us. Congress voted 4 to 1 for military involvement, remember? Oh, but they were manipulated by Bush's lies. Really, if all Congressmen did no research on their own and simply listened to Bush, they have no business in office. I read the other day how the US caused hundreds if not thousands of Iraqi deaths because of the sanctions against Saddam and the no-fly zones. The UN set the sanctions and the no-fly zones. Iraq at that time was patrolled by the coalition formed by the UN to deal with Saddam because he was a destabilizing force in the area and was systematically murdering and torturing his own people. Iraqi';s were pleading with the outside world for help with 'Saddam. And do you remember the inspectors that Saddam would allow in then lead them on wild goose chases and not allow them full ability to inspect for WMD's. After 8 years of this, during Clinton's administration, Bush finally had enough and gave him an ultimatum, either follow the UN sanctions and allow the inspectors free movement within Iraq or face military force. The time for the ultimatum came and went and Bush followed through on what he said he would do. The Iraqi people celebrated when Saddam was taken down. It was only after the media called our military an invasion and occupying force did the Iraqi's start killing our troops. Also, the Iraqi's started looting their own city and many expected our military to enforce laws but they are not policemen.
I don't fault you because there are tons of books and information out there that makes their case for anti-American sentiment, but you have to sift through the lies and the revisionist history. Oh yes you said I could make a good revisionist. Don't know why you said that, but if that is your best come back, then you know I'm right.
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kiltedandfree
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Vierotchka:
now that's too cute
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unclecharlie
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Now, now, children, let's not all pile up on Uni! She has been hammered lately over a few other topics. Let's give her time to rest and recover before her next round of beatings! That being said, who is the more incompetent of these two "world leaders"? At least Bush never apologized for being an American, and he never kissed that Muslim ass. It seems to me that makes Obama the more incompetent of the two. Both Bush and Obama made us laughing stocks on the stage of world affairs, but Obama's incompetency will probably lead to another attack on U.S. soil.
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unclecharlie:
what do you mean Unimatrix is a girl. You can tell he's a dude, just like vieortscka in how they write and what they write about.
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Vierotchka
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unclecharlie:
I'm a woman - a mother and a grandmother. I always was female, born that way.
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Vierotchka
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titvol
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It means "NO,NO, not WATER....aahhhhhhhhh, my beautiful world.......aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooooooooooooo
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titvol
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shanklinmike
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What does meh mean?
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike
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Look at our future.....
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike
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Michael Scheuer is the former CIA Chief of the bin Laden unit....and he supported Dr. Paul.
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike
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Osama bin Laden even stated that the reason we were attacked is because we are over there!
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shanklinmike
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shanklinmike:
We are over there because they attacked, one begats the other.
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shanklinmike:
You are over there to steal.
OIL.
We have proof now that America went to war on a lie....there were no weapons of mass destruction......just like Iran and the nuclear power.
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shanklinmike:
Weapons of mass income and world power.
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