A Jews View: Visit to Gaza was an assault on sense of justice
When I was growing up, my parents instilled in me the knowledge that Jews were hardworking people who would not stand for injustice. My Jewish education taught me that Jews were obliged to fight against discrimination and other wrongs whenever they occurred. And we met discrimination ourselves. My parents left the Lower East Side and I grew up in a small Pennsylvania town. My uncle, brother and I were the only non-Christians in the school system. A friend asked to see my horns. It was difficult. No wonder I returned to the Lower East Side.
When I was 13, my grandmother took me on a pilgrimage with Hadassah (the Zionist women’s organization) to Israel in 1956. I remember the wonderful feelings I had traveling around this new exciting pioneer state. This land opened its doors to people who had survived the Holocaust, to people who had been banished from their homes because they were Jews. The United States and other countries did not let these refugees enter their borders but, in essence, gave them a small piece of land on which they could resettle. It was a time of hope and passionate belief in how special Israel was and would become. I grew up believing that a people who had no land were given a land that had no people.
I am heartbroken and appalled by what Israel, the land I loved, is doing in Gaza today. On my trip in late May of this year, I witnessed physical and psychological damage from the Israeli occupation of Gaza. Israel had been blockading Gaza — by air, sea and land — for years before this recent December and January assault. The years-long blockade itself threatened the lives of adults and children. Most Gazans were unable to get medication or go to hospitals. Think of what your life would be like without ordinary items, such as fabric, thread, needles, candles, matches, mattresses, sheets, blankets, cutlery, crockery, cups, glasses, musical instruments, books, tea, coffee, chocolate, sesame seeds, nuts, crayons, clothing and shoes. These have not been allowed legally into the Gaza Strip for years. People in Gaza essentially live in a prison colony that they cannot leave.
Yes, Hamas sent rockets into nearby cities. And yes, these rockets violated international law since they were aimed at civilians. Israel returned with sophisticated weapons and an all-out assault on areas densely populated with Palestinian civilians who cannot leave, killing more than 1,400 people, including many children. Thirteen Israeli soldiers were killed during the December-January bombing. The number of deaths is disproportionate for Israel’s claim to be acting in self-defense.
I can’t ignore the context of this violence. Palestinians have been struggling by legitimate means to end the occupation of Gaza. The proper Israeli response to such actions should be a true withdrawal from the occupied territories. Israel still controls key aspects of day-to-day Gazan life, even though it withdrew the military bases and settlements. I ate at a beachside cafe watching Israeli gunboats patrol the Gaza coast. Do prisoners control a jail because they are the only workers in the laundry, library and kitchen?
During the December assault, the residents of Gaza were told to go to safe areas. I met families who thought they were in “safe” areas during the last assault. One grandfather of a family I met was killed instantly when a white-phosphorous bomb came through the roof of his home. The mother in the same family, sitting near him, was seriously injured. When friends tried to drive her by tractor to a hospital, she was killed by Israeli solders. Her 3-year-old daughter, now motherless, has scars over both legs and a 3-inch white-phosphorous burn around her middle. This same quiet child clings to a teenage relative, afraid to leave him even for a minute. They learned that there are no safe areas in Gaza.
Israeli pressure is shrinking the actual area available to the people of the Gaza Strip further.---more below
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Israeli pressure is shrinking the actual area available to the people of the Gaza Strip further. I met fishermen who fear the Israeli gunboats because they are kidnapped and shot at while trying to make a living. These kidnapped fishermen are either taken to Israeli jails or returned to Gaza with their equipment and boats ruined. The Palestinian farmers are in a similar situation. The Israelis recently built automated (without soldiers) watchtowers along the border that open up when activated and fire machine guns toward Gaza, killing people. The week before I arrived in Gaza, the Israelis dropped fliers on communities near the borders, telling the people that they would be shot at if they were within 300 meters, or nearly a fifth of a mile, from the borders. Gaza is about 25 miles long and between 3 and 7 miles wide. A million and a half people live in this small land. The new no-man’s-land Israel has created further reduces the area for living and farming in Gaza.
While in Gaza I met with an organization of young college students and recent graduates. Many youths had to forfeit scholarships to study abroad because they were not allowed to exit via either the Egyptian or the Israeli borders to use those scholarships. They asked us to put them in contact with young people around the world. Since they are barred from studying abroad, they hope to reach out to people from the outside world.
The destruction we saw from the December and January assault was severe. In addition to bombed-out schools, hospitals, police and fire stations and of course homes, we saw destroyed cement factories among the ruins. So Gaza can no longer make its own cement; but today not one bag of cement is allowed into Gaza through the Egyptian or Israeli crossings. Most other items continue to be forbidden as well. Families whose homes were bombed now must live in bare tents, without even cots.
We must do more to get both sides to stop the hostilities. What Israel is doing in Gaza is horrible beyond any words that I can express. So that we can all live in a more peaceful world, there must be a just resolution to the Israel/Palestine conflict. The killing must stop. Peace with justice must reign in our world.
Since Hamas won the 2006 elections, the Israelis have laid siege against Gaza. We in the United States have provided the wherewithal for this campaign. From 2003 to 2007 our aid to Israel averaged $2.8 billion per year. We must help to terminate these violations of international law, not encourage their persistence.
Our media is not sending us true accounts of what is happening in Gaza. It is hard to believe that if politicians actually saw what is going on there, they would continue to fund Israel’s military actions in Gaza. I was horrified to see bomb fragments that were clearly connected to the United States. Our tax money helped to fund the devastation of Gaza.
What can Americans do to change this? Encourage elected officials and others to travel to Gaza to discover what the area is really like; and be sure they talk to ordinary people who hope to lead ordinary lives but suffer attacks and privations. We must let our representatives know that we do not want our money to continue to support a government that attacks and kills civilians. We do not want our government to support a government that traumatizes and embitters the lives of survivors and a new generation. The continued hostilities directed toward Gaza undermine any hope of stability in the Middle East and the world.
Ravitz is a Lower East Side resident living on Grand St. and member of Community Board 3. She visited Gaza in May at the invitation of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza with the assistance of Code Pink: Women for Peace.
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Israeli pressure is shrinking the actual area available to the people of the Gaza Strip further. I met fishermen who fear the Israeli gunboats because they are kidnapped and shot at while trying to make a living. These kidnapped fishermen are either taken to Israeli jails or returned to Gaza with their equipment and boats ruined.
The Palestinian farmers are in a similar situation. The Israelis recently built automated (without soldiers) watchtowers along the border that open up when activated and fire machine guns toward Gaza, killing people. The week before I arrived in Gaza, the Israelis dropped fliers on communities near the borders, telling the people that they would be shot at if they were within 300 meters, or nearly a fifth of a mile, from the borders. Gaza is about 25 miles long and between 3 and 7 miles wide. A million and a half people live in this small land. The new no-man’s-land Israel has created further reduces the area for living and farming in Gaza.
While in Gaza I met with an organization of young college students and recent graduates. Many youths had to forfeit scholarships to study abroad because they were not allowed to exit via either the Egyptian or the Israeli borders to use those scholarships. They asked us to put them in contact with young people around the world. Since they are barred from studying abroad, they hope to reach out to people from the outside world.
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The destruction we saw from the December and January assault was severe. In addition to bombed-out schools, hospitals, police and fire stations and of course homes, we saw destroyed cement factories among the ruins. So Gaza can no longer make its own cement; but today not one bag of cement is allowed into Gaza through the Egyptian or Israeli crossings. Most other items continue to be forbidden as well. Families whose homes were bombed now must live in bare tents, without even cots.
We must do more to get both sides to stop the hostilities. What Israel is doing in Gaza is horrible beyond any words that I can express. So that we can all live in a more peaceful world, there must be a just resolution to the Israel/Palestine conflict. The killing must stop. Peace with justice must reign in our world.
Since Hamas won the 2006 elections, the Israelis have laid siege against Gaza. We in the United States have provided the wherewithal for this campaign. From 2003 to 2007 our aid to Israel averaged $2.8 billion per year. We must help to terminate these violations of international law, not encourage their persistence.
Our media is not sending us true accounts of what is happening in Gaza. It is hard to believe that if politicians actually saw what is going on there, they would continue to fund Israel’s military actions in Gaza. I was horrified to see bomb fragments that were clearly connected to the United States. Our tax money helped to fund the devastation of Gaza.
What can Americans do to change this? Encourage elected officials and others to travel to Gaza to discover what the area is really like; and be sure they talk to ordinary people who hope to lead ordinary lives but suffer attacks and privations. We must let our representatives know that we do not want our money to continue to support a government that attacks and kills civilians. We do not want our government to support a government that traumatizes and embitters the lives of survivors and a new generation. The continued hostilities directed toward Gaza undermine any hope of stability in the Middle East and the world.
Ravitz is a Lower East Side resident living on Grand St. and member of Community Board 3. She visited Gaza in May at the invitation of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza with the assistance of Code Pink: Women for Peace.
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These students should be able to go where ever they want to get their education. Just another form of control. Israel one day you will pay for all you have done. The world will make sure of that.
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This line from the Jewish man:
"I grew up believing that a people who had no land were given a land that had no people."The sad reality is that the land they were given had people.................the Palestinian people lived there. From day one the Jews set out to exterminate them........and to this day they are expanding and expanding (stealing land and building on it.....the great euphemism is "settlements").
Why do they call occupying stolen land "settlements".............when a thief takes your house or vineyard and occupies it anywhere else in the world it is not called a "settlement"..................here in Ireland we'd have recourse to the law and could claim it back in court. Of course the illegitimate government of Israel does not recognize international law, and is more often in breach of international law than observing it. Sometimes Israelis bulldozed the houses to get rid of the occupants.....and if the Palestinian occupants of the house did not flee they bulldozed the house with the occupants inside.I know....I know......there are those of you out there who will cry fowl.........those of you who will have been "taught" growing up that Palestine was a land wiythout people....."taught" that the Palestinians sold you the land .....but...YOU ALL HAVE A DUTY TO SEE THE TRUTH.
How horrid you are as a Zionist nation to kill little children and their parents in your lust for land. How horrid you are as a Zionist nation to picnic on the hills overlooking Gaza as the population were killed systematically for 22 days this year.................and you picnicked and delighted in the human suffering.
You have control of the American government through AIPAC lobby, and you have funds from the American taxpayer ($3billion per annum) to continue killing and destroying members of the human race, and through your woprldwide investment in mainstream media you hide your crime behind a flood of propaganda.
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The pro-Israel bias is reflected in editorials of major newspapers. Robert Bartley, the late editor of the Wall Street Journal, once remarked that, "SHAMIR, SHARON, BIBI -- whatever those guys want is pretty much fine by me."
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US takes 1,350 Palestinian refugees
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0708/p02s04-...
The State Department confirmed today that as many as 1,350 Iraqi Palestinians – once the well-treated guests of Saddam Hussein and now at outs with much of Iraqi society – will be resettled in the US, mostly in southern California, starting this fall.It will be the largest-ever resettlement of Palestinian refugees into the US – and welcome news to the Palestinians who fled to Iraq after 1948 but who have had a tough time since Mr. Hussein was deposed in 2003. Targeted by Iraqi Shiites, the mostly-Sunni Palestinians have spent recent years in one of the region's roughest refugee camps, Al Waleed, near Iraq's border with Syria.
"Really for the first time, the United States is recognizing a Palestinian refugee population that could be admitted to the US as part of a resettlement program," says Bill Frelick, refugee policy director at Human Rights Watch in Washington.
Given the US's past reluctance to resettle Palestinians – it accepted just seven Palestinians in 2007 and nine in 2008 – the effort could ruffle some diplomatic feathers.
For many in the State Department and international community, the resettlement is part of a moral imperative the US has to clean up the refugee crisis created by invading Iraq. The US has already stepped up resettlement of Iraqis, some who have struggled to adjust to life in America.
The resettlement of Iraqi Palestinians is "an important gesture for the United States to demonstrate that we're not heartless," says Alon Ben-Meir, a professor of international relations and Middle Eastern studies at New York University.
But some critics say the State Department is sloughing off its problems onto American cities, especially since in this case the Palestinians were sympathizers of Hussein, who was deposed by the US.
"This is politically a real hot potato," says Mark Krikorian, director of the conservative Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, adding, "[A]merica has become a dumping ground for the State Department's problems – they're tossing their problems over their head into Harrisburg, Pa., or Omaha, Neb."
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- Highr0ller
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There's always a traitor in the family, regardless of race or religion. But when it's a Jew turning on Jews, it leaves me speechless.
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- kjoknoswazzup
- 4 months ago
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Roots of the Gaza Conflict
By: Nonie Darwish (A Palestinian Arab)
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, January 08, 2009With the explosive current events in Gaza, the world needs to understand the roots of this eternal conflict, otherwise we are all kidding ourselves with hopes of peace.
For decades, Arabs had demanded that Israel end the "occupation," and in 2005, Israel did so, disengaging unilaterally from Gaza. With their demands met, there was no ‘cycle of violence’ to respond to, no further justification for anything other than peace and prosperity. With its central location and beautiful beaches on the East Mediteranean, a peaceful and prosperous Gaza could have become another Hong Kong; a shining trade and commerce center. But instead of choosing peace, the Palestinians chose Islamic jihad. They rolled their rocket launchers to the border and started bombing Israeli civilians.
Understanding the reasons why the Palestinians chose violence over peace requires connecting the dots from the behavior of Muslim states back to the laws of Islam: Sharia. Mainstream Sharia books define Jihad as: "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion." (Shafi’i Sharia o9.0). Jihad is not just the duty of the individual Muslim, but it is also the main duty of the Muslim head of State (the Calipha):
"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!" (Sahih Muslim 41:6985, also Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177)
This Hadith, issued by Mohammad, makes a whole group of people illegal to exist. It was issued in the 7th century, not after the 1948 creation of the State of Israel. It is not a response to modern-day grievances; it is a permanent commandment.
Many Muslims claim that Arabs and Jews lived well together for many years before 1948. But that claim ignores the fact that Jews had to live as ‘dhimmies’ under Islamic Law and were never allowed to rule themselves separate of the Islamic Sharia. When Muslims were weak they often treated their dhimmi subjects well and ignored the commandments to kill, subjugate and humiliate them. But Jew hatred is intrinsic to Islamic scriptures that do not permit reformation under the penalty of death.
This is the real basis of the Arab/Israeli conflict: not a conflict over land or occupation, but a divine obligation to destroy neighboring (non-Muslim) Israel, where Jews are no longer dhimmis but are free to rule themselves. We cannot ignore the root of the problem in Muslim scriptures. That is the true force behind the hate and propaganda Jihadist machine against Jews in the Muslim world.
The Muslim world must look within to its sacred laws, scriptures, sermons, teaching and preaching, and reform the obstacles for peace that have condemned them to a permanent state of jihad. The non-Muslim world must have no illusions.
Nonie Darwish is an American of Arab/Muslim origin. A freelance writer and public speaker, she runs the website www.ArabsForIsrael.com. Her new book is Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
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- kjoknoswazzup
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In response to kjoknoswazzu's last post:
Amazing the propaganda emitting out of this small new state.............a state started in 1948.....a state that wants Arabs to run away so they can fulfill some old prophesy they say gives them rights to the land of Palestine.
Wars have not made the people crumble, but they want the Palestinians to melt away into neighbouring Arab nations .....No they won't........
In your post above you say:
"America should not be taking in Palestinian refugees, but the 23 Arab Nations that surround tiny Israel, should."Oh "tiny Israel" the strongman of the Middle East.
Oh "tiny Israel" with her amazing aresnal of war weapons....including WHITE PHOSPHEROUS......and specially modified bulldozers for bulldozing houses with terrified children and their parents inside.
Oh, "tiny Israel" with the hardest hawks in the IDF.....the ones that wore tee shirts featuring dead Palestinian babies on them in celebration of a mass murder that lasted 22 days as late as January 2009.
Shame on you that you would defend such murderous people.
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Prophecies are self fulfilling. There is no divine right or justice, only an eye for an eye.
All I can say is that whatever happens to Israel in the future is their own faults for not showing the same compassion that they themselves demand from the entire world. They will indeed reap what they have sewn and sadly the result will be utter devastation to their own land and their own people.
Extremists Muslims may be waging a Jihad, but that Jihad is reinforced by Extremists Zionists both Jewish and Christian.
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The Jews and I have something in our favor: Yahweh.
We're also smarter than every anti-semitic person on the planet, so happy insulting.
You're just as illogical and ignorant as the people you think you're defending. Might as well stab them in the backs b/c you aren't looking out for them, or us.
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- kjoknoswazzup
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Jubal, here is your email and my response to it (don't send me anymore personally).
You said:
"Yahweh is another name for Jehovah. This entity from the Old Testament is merely an administrator angel who got a big head and decided he could do a better job of running things on the planet than the God of Love. Jehovah is an impostor god who speaks from the darkness and has no light in him. He merely bends and shapes the light, but he is not the light. The father of light or god of love whatever name works best for you is the true divine being and he sent Jesus to the earth to set people free with the truth. Jesus told the Pharisees, the Jewish leaders and law givers and law protectors that their real father was the devil. That is why they conspired to have him executed. He told them the truth and they couldn't handle the truth. I feel sorry for you and your ignorance blindly following a bloodthirsty, murderous, vindictive and jealous god like Yahweh/Jehovah."
I say:
If you truly understood Judeo-Christian Scripture, well, for one you'd get that JESUS WAS A JEW, named Yeshua! Next, you'd understand that Jesus Christ is the incarnation of Yahweh. Jehovah is just another name for Yahweh as is Elohim, etc.
Yeshua Came in the Name of Yahweh
Our Savior made known His Father’s name while here on earth:I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world…. (John 17:6)
Had our Savior used either the Greek name Iesous or the English name Jesus, He would not have manifested His Father’s name. But because He was born and introduced Himself with the Hebrew name Yeshua – the name He inherited from His Father – He could accurately say: “I am come in My Father’s name....” (John 5:43)In John 12, certain Judahites heralded Yeshua’s entrance into Jerusalem:
Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the LORD. (John 12:13)
This salutation is a quotation from Psalm 118:26 in which the title “the LORD” was unlawfully substituted for the Tetragrammaton. When the Tetragrammaton is reinserted, we find that the Israelites in John 12 were proclaiming the Messiah as having come in the name of Yahweh, in fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecy. Only in the name of Yeshua (Yahweh saves) can it be said that the Savior came in the name of Yahweh.Yeshua’s Deity:
The more consequential reason for using the Hebrew-English spelling and pronunciation of our Heavenly Father’s name and our Savior’s name is that they prove Yeshua’s deity. Had God’s Hebrew name been left intact in the Scriptures, it would be much more difficult for someone to deny the deity of Yeshua.Consider the Old Testament prophecies, regarding Yahweh, which were attributed to Yeshua. Whose way was John the Baptist to prepare? Who was to be betrayed for thirty pieces of silver? Whose side was to be pierced? Who was the stone, rejected by the builders, who later became the chief cornerstone? Who was the Branch? Who was the King of Israel? Whose feet were to stand on the Mount of Olives? If your answer to these questions is Jesus, it would be prudent to look again at these prophecies. In all of these prophecies – Isaiah 40:3; Malachi 3:1, 4:5; Zechariah 11:12-13, 12:1, 10; Psalm 118:19-22; Isaiah 8:13-14; Jeremiah 23:5-6; Zephaniah 3:15-17; Zechariah 14:3-4 – Yahweh’s name was removed and replaced with the title “the LORD.” Restore God’s personal name to these passages and it becomes immediately apparent that these prophecies were about Yahweh and were fulfilled in Yeshua.
Yeshua, the Hebrew name of our Savior, does not describe what some man, prophet, or another god is doing. It expresses what YAHWEH, the GOD of gods, the great I AM, Immanuel, God with us is doing!8
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- kjoknoswazzup
- 4 months ago
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The different names for Yahweh connect to the Hebrew language. They each represent a different aspect of Yahweh's character. They aren't different Gods.
Here's the link to that information I posted above:
http://www.missiontoisrael.org/sacred-name.php
Personally I get a kick out of the fact that the whole world will bow down to a Jew. Ironic, eh? Can't wait to see your face on that day.
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- kjoknoswazzup
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kjoknoswazzup,
I won't waste my time arguing with a fanatic like you obviously are. But for your sake I will share a very important book with you that you must read.
Excerpt Chapter 1
Does the Bible really teach there is only one God? Or
does it teach that many gods exist? Did Almighty
God really create this material world? Perhaps
another, lesser god, created this material world?
These are important questions, because the God of
whom Jesus Christ spoke is a gentle, loving Heavenly
Father. Yet, the universe is overflowing with evil,
cruelty, agony and death. How can one reconcile the
reality of evil, cruelty, agony and death with the
theory of a loving Heavenly Father? For, as countless
thinkers have said:
If God is all-powerful, then God is not all-good.
If God is all-good, then God is not all-powerful.
Either God wants to eliminate evil but is not
powerful enough
Or…
God is powerful enough to eliminate evil but does
not want to do so.
In other words, an all-good God would not make a
universe brimming with evil, pain, violence, suffering,
misery and death. An all-powerful God might do so,
but such a God would not be all-good. Mainstream
Christians have danced around this issue for two
thousand years but none of them have given a
satisfactory answer to the Problem of Evil. Their
“answers” have taken the form of mental gymnastics,
verbal contortions, special pleading, misdirection,
“smoke and mirrors.” However, there is a very
ancient and wise solution to this dilemma. The
earliest Christians held this Key, this solution, and
immediately realized and adopted it because of their
unshakable Knowing (Greek: Gnosis, pronounced
KNOW-sis) of an all-good Heavenly Father. Gnostic
is the name whereby the early Christians who held
this Key were known. The reason? Gnosis means to
Know God as opposed to those who merely believe in
God. The Catholic church later rejected this Key of
Gnosis.It is important to understand how and from what
source the New Testament acquired its present form
and “authority.” Then we can appreciate how
important the Key of Gnosis is in understanding who
Jehovah really is and therefore solving the problem
of evil. So, we will take a few moments to trace the
development of the New Testament “canon” or
official list of books. When the Catholic church
finally had the power of the Roman Empire behind it
through the Emperor Constantine, those who held
the Key of Gnosis were ruthlessly hunted down.
Persecution and pressure to conform to the Catholic
church or die resulted in their scriptures being seized
and burned. Thereafter, only writings bearing the
approval of the Catholic church would officially
become “scripture” through councils held by the
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One last thing, I do not hate Jewish people. I love Jewish people. Many of my dearest friends are Jewish, and I have Jewish descent on both sides of my family.
I am not against Jewish people having their own country. However, as much as I am for the Jewish people having their own right to self determination, I am in favor of the Palestinians having their own right to self determination.
Unfortunately, the only way this is going to happen is for the entire world to demand it from the State of Israel.
The world is full of rhetoric and words that have no true intention behind them. Words that are used to fan the flames of discontent and to promote conflict. Who benefits? Weapons manufacturers and military contractors, that is who benefits. Do you think they care about either side, really? No they don't. All they care about is their profits, and if that means keeping the Christians, Muslims and Jewish people at odds on the international stage, then that is what they will advocate and manipulate to keep their profit machine churning.
If you truly are a loving Christian, you would demonstrate your compassion for the suffering of the Palestinian people through your speech and not use your beliefs as weapons.
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jubal , you are right on .
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I, too salute Jubal for his clear and concise words. No matter how much WE say we love everyone, we are accused of antisemitism and hate. But WE know the truth and the truth ALWAYS prevails. And that is why Israel will sooner or later pay for her atrocities against humans, pay thru non-violent justice, pay thru fair and even justice.
God, Yeshua or whatever you want to call your Higher Power is, imo, appalled by Israels greed and murder.
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- WorldPeaceTV
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Very good conversation.
