RARE Whale Being Slaughtered for Meat...

I understand your anger.

I really do. And i share it. But you are a bit off the mark with your solution. The USA is one of the few countries (along with Japan) that actually continue to kill whales.

Sad but true.

then i wouldnt have my wonderful laptop.

but point well taken.

Especially Americans who try to force their hegemony on the rest of the world.

Don't listen to charlie the troll. He's trying to make himself feel better for nat actually doing anything but being actively part of the world's problems.

You were right in your comment. He is wrong.

I like how he assumed that I'm an American.
And, I like how he decided that expressing my dislike of the slaughterers of one of the most intelligent and beautiful animals on Earth could be described as hegemony.
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You are obviously a caring person and have the health and welfare of all in mind. Enjoy your next KFC or Big Mac.

You are obviously a smug moron with no capacity for deduction and a weak sense of sarcastic humor.

But now that we have the obvious out of the way I'll spell it out just incase there are more idiots out there.

The people who are killing these animals are not doing so out of some insane rage or hatred for sea life. They are indifferent to the animal's suffering and the health of our oceans.

Their motives are purely profit oriented.

If the product in question (the whale meat) became too toxic for consumption and the people who ate it were guaranteed a painful horrible death its market value would plummet.

No market value equals no poaching.

And that Charlie would be in the best interests of health and welfare for the rest of us who are not actively contributing to the death of our oceans.

And to address your KFC and Big mac comment. I loved both of those at one time. They were delicious. But I had to stop patronizing both those (and many more) establishment long ago. I've been a serious vegetarian and active environmentalist for 23 of my 34 years.

Can you say the same you smug dick?

You might be interested to know, possibly not, that this "smug dick" has been a vegan for the last thirty-six years.

And I am sure that the two of you measuring whose metaphorical "tofu dick" is longer makes a huge difference as to how valid either opinion is. :D

I say you both should get locked in a cage and fight it out to the death. I mean, its the only way to be sure who is right. Right? ;)

Corrandk, Yes, your dedication to a cause and continual life choices play a HUGE role in the value of your opinion on that topic.

You don't think so huh? You think Hitler would make a great spokesperson for human rights?

Just can it. At least when charlie was being a smug dick he was being funny.

And charlie, I apologize for calling you a dick. 36 years is a long time and I forgive you for assuming I am empty headed idiot. Sadly it's more accurate to assume that these days than it is to give the benefit of the doubt. Please accept my apology.

Amazing how you don't learn from your mistakes.

Jumped on one guy and now jump on another. Sure, I could bleed my life choices and how they reflect my opinions all over this space, but what is the point? I mean, you have me all figured out already right?

Hitler comparisons are soooo Glenn Beck. Surely, if your going to criticize someone who for all intensive purposes agrees with you and, as I am sure you have figured out, makes similar lifestyle choices, the least you could do is be less melodramatic about it. Hitler led a government and a society to actively violate human rights, I have not led a ship to kill a whale, nor do I speak out in support of such actions, thus your comparison is melodramatic, extreme, and for folks that are Jewish it might even be quite offensive. You might not care, but it wasn't necessary.

How about this to clarify my point: Hypothetically, if you make the life choices you say you make and your father doesn't...BUT, you mutually agree on the topic and what should be done relative to that specific topic, is your father somehow less correct then yourself? You should be respected for your actions, absolutely. You live your life that is in harmony with what you believe. But disrespecting others because of your personal pride in such actions is in itself self defeating. Which was my only real point. It was joke reflective of the unnecessary tension. Too bad you chose to perpetuate it. It isn't necessary or productive. Oh, and apologies for my part in it.

Jumping on you?

That's rich.

You walked freely into this battle of wits (uninvited I might add). You made your snide comments and now that you realize you are outmatched you are complaining. Pathetic.

But let me humor you.

Had you actually read my post you would have seen that there was absolutely no comparisons made. NONE.

Hitler was referenced as a person whom I believed we could all agree had a horrible human rights record.

I used him as a reference for a matter of clarity. Stalin, Pol Pot or Bush would have been just as apt but may have obscured my point.

I was trying to be crystal clear so even a small mind could get the point that ones actions and life experiences were integral to the value of their opinion.

I suppose I was still too opaque for some intellects.

Especially ones too lazy to actually read the post.

But enough with the verbal spanking. Let me address the only part of your retort that had any worth: Your thoughts on whose opinion has more value.

I disagree with your idea that all opinions are equal.

Having the right answer does not make someone right. You still need to do the math if you want your answer to have any real value. At least in my opinion.

Lets pretend your child is choking to death. You have no clue what to do. Two people in the restaurant stand up and at the same time offer their opinion on the matter. One of these people is a plumber and the other one is a doctor. Whose advice do you value more?

I realize that is a simplified analogy but seeing as you misread my last post I'm being sure to keep it as simplistic as possible.

The fact is if you have lived something, learned something or studied something you're probably better suited to give a thought-out opinion than someone and their gut reaction.

Care to argue?

Holy hell you are an angry one. Okay, obviously I am giving you some entertainment, so I am good for another round.

Your example is indeed correct, but you continue to compare, yes compare, apples to oranges. Of course you are not wrong when talking about an action like how to save a child. In a less melodramatic example, the same could be said for how to plant a garden. You would obviously have to know more then just "plant some seeds in the ground". My point was that everyone would agree that the seeds do go in the ground. Your point, if I am not mistaken, is that some people would be more qualified then others to figure out the details and take the actions. Of course that is true, but I was not aware that was what I was argueing against. I was simply pointing out that all of us think whale killing = bad, and you don't have to be living a certain way or experienced anything to come to that conclusion. Many different people come to that conclusion for a variety of reasons, some because whales strike somekind of emotional chord with them and others because eating meat seems like murder, and still others because they are endangered animals. I mean, if I was to over simplify my original joke, funny or not, it would be "we all think whale poachers suck, so why be dicks to eachother".

While I agree with your example and see the intelligence behind it, the anger you choose to bring to the table is something I need to step aside from. I am new here, but I did take the time to read your other posts, on other topics as well, and I can't match that anger. I don't want to match it. I choose humor, appreciated or not, as my approach.

If you and your approach to things is considered intelligent, then I forfeit this battle. Congratulations. I don' think it will give you much satisfaction, but there you have it.

By the way, everyone who can post here is invited, no one is univited. That is how the site works. Don't worry though, I will give you your space should I come across you in a thread again, which I am sure is what you want.

Should you want to continue this discussion, which I highly doubt, I invite you to send me mesage to my inbox here. This thread is about whale killing, not us, and as such if you want to continue this we can do via private message.

If I email you directly then no one else gets to read the fun and sometimes nasty banter.

And don't be so afraid of me. I bark but don't bite.

So lets boil down the chain of events. (obvious paraphrasing below)

I say: I hope the people who eat this tainted whale meat die nasty deaths.

Charlie says: Dude you're mean unsettled and a hypocrite.

I scream back: Fuck you moron. I explain my reasoning and list my veggie credentials.

Charlie: Tells me I was too mean to him and that he and I actually share many ideal. More so his veggie credentials out do mine.

You chime in: Shut up both of you this isn't a contest of dick length. we might as well fight to the death which would be just as useful.

I Say: Sorry to charlie and turn to you with an explanation of my philosophy and a fuck you for your joke.

You say: Completely misread or either simply don't read my post and attempt to accuse me of fox news style rhetoric.

I say: I go ballistic and administer a spanking for not actually reading my post and then respond to your point which I disagreed with.

You say: That I am too angry and tell me you don't want to play with me any more. You clarify our differences quite nicely by summing things up with the idea that we shouldn't fight when we are in agreement.

And that is where we are.

Problem is, after all the bloodshed you don't want to keep going.

We are not polluting this thread with our argument. We are in our own sub thread. We're not annoying anyone except someone who wants to be involved.

But fine....I'll email directly.

But for the record. I am sorry for the "uninvited" comment. That was a dick think to say and I'm sorry about that. You are always welcome to argue with me.

In fact, please do. I like arguing.

lol..can't tell ;P

I went and had a beer, and while I was discussing this very conversation with my gf she reminded me that my sense of humor doesn't translate well on the internet, and that if my sense of appropriatemenss on the web is only half as bad as it is in real life, I probably sound like quite the goof.

Who can not appreciate real loving support like that right?

Of course, she is right. And your right about staying in it until its done.

Per the email you did send, I am back. Well put summary, well put arguement. I am going to have another beer, you do the same and pretend I bought it.

agreed there are more concerning issues, but the killing of a rare, nearly endagered animal is one of the many of those issues.

as for the amount of whales that are being butchered overseas in japan, norway & several other countries are quite a few more than you have insisted.

and thanksgiving/christmas holidays are filled with contradictions, hypocrisy, selfishness & lies; and anyone who really celebrates those days are degenerates, but that is a different story...

Chickens are not endangered or at risk species.

You really don't see the difference?

And no, sudan, aids and nuclear weapons are not more important when we force the oceans to collapse.

When turkey, chicken and beef are looking to be endangered or extinct I will be right on board with such an action.

In the meantime, comparing apples to oranges to blur the reality of the situation is not how progress is made. You can set whatever priorities you want on the various problems in the world, there are more then enough of them that is for sure. Your statement could just as easily rebutted with "Who cares what a few Africans die of?". But that would just sound ignorant now wouldn't it?

Acknowledging one problem doesn't mean another one is any less valid. This is a problem, and the key to the solution would most likely do wonders for solving many others within the oceanic ecosystem. A hugely vast, fertile, and economically vital resource for everyone. Everywhere.

In my area, in Kobe City whale meat is for sale and people do buy it! Whale meat sales are up because it's cheaper than fish or meat.

I'd eat people, we need some population control...

no more tentacle hentai for you.

exactly my thoughts. . .

Totally agree. Plus either way why would the Japanese people want to serve or eat meat that has high levels of mercury that could be dangerous to them anyways? They should consider the health risks and environmental risks and stop slaughtering dolphins and whales.

it's a traditional part of American culture too. And Norwegian culture, and Finnish culture, and Russian culture. The only reason the Japanese can do it at all is because everyone else on earth stopped. That traditional culture arguement is BS.

...alot of japanese whaling institutions actually use the excuse that whaling is a japanese tradition, when in reality there were only a few small villages that used to actually do it.

yet the (japanese) whalers continue to exploit that small population

Fuck culture. This is about profit. The oceans are in a state of emergency and these assholes just don't care.

@iloveravi : Point well taken, I'm sure the Corporations use the guise of "culture" for business purposes only. I wonder what the outcome would be if there was a vote to see if the Japanese people would forgo Whale, Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar as to how Whale factors into their culture, so can't give any real insight :(

Listen guys, i'm really disgusted by this, but you have to realize yea maybe it's not the cultural norm over there, but there are enough people doing it to fund these sorts of slaughter expeditions.

karma is a bitch, they'll realize that when the mercury has left them blind, deaf and dumb.