Let's make insurance companies a public service!

The deserters here use tactics to re-frame or confuse and distract from the REAL issue(s) at hand; 1) people receiving the health care they need; 2) there is no profit for the greedy in "prevention"; 3) the greedy bastards place more value on their profit than human life; 4) the greedy bastards have had more than democratic / honest control and influence over government & public policy and decision making.

What'd I forget?

Making health insurance a public utility is exactly what HR 676 does.

You should all call your representatives and demand they support HR 676, EVERY DAY.

Also, show up at the town hall meetings, demanding the same.

Don't settle for a "public option." The birthers/tea-baggers have been moving the ball down the field into the anti-reform direction, and if we want to even get the public option, we're going to need to push with full force and demand exactly what we want.

Don't kid yourself . The things this market is free of are , regulations , conscience , ethics , moral fiber , and justice . I realize that some fear more for them = less for themselves . This is a lie ! INjustice is what makes robin hood the HERO . Pirate movies and piracy itself has made a resurgence in the last decade . They will have their own party soon enough . People feel the injustice , they see it every day . Some of you seem devoted to keeping things the way they are . I am glad you got yours . Remember this , there is nothing in this world that cannot be taken away . Having a little compassion wouldn't kill you , but a HMO that doesn't , surely will .

how many of those against insurance co's making a profit own a business? they play a game of risk, with government reg's of course. do the ceo's get paid to much?? ya probably, but they take what they can get from their employer...as all of you would do the same.

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There is a difference between fair and regulated markets and making sure they stay fair, and a free for all where human life is expendable just so some hot dog can make a buck.

Whats it going to take for people to realize that capitalism, and the so-called "free-market" are not the same thing?

Those unregulated free markets just cost the country trillions of dollars......there were regulations in place but thanks to that corporate goo-boy Bush, and his corrupt administration , these were suspended. There was no oversight.......and you and your children and grandchildren will continue to pay for cleaning up that mess for generations to come.

Meanwhile back at the corporate offices...all the crooks, thieves, liars and thugs got to keep all their toys, their millions of dollars worth of real estate and YOUR MONEY! Yippee for unregulated free trade!

The insurance industry collects billions in premiums for policies they have no intention of honoring. The premiums, supposedly a pool of resources for paying claims, gets used for anything and everything but! And these premiums roll in day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year from millions of people.

How many ways on how many days do you have to be dipped in poo before you realize something stinks....and it could be you.

I tell you what, if you think "nationalization" is such a great idea, why don't you pack up your bags and go live in Venezuela for a while. What you proposed is SO close to Chavez's solution for everything, I'm SURE you'll feel very much at home there.

Chavez nationalized the petroleum industry, and production dropped by about 25%.
He instituted state-run markets, set all the prices for goods, increased minimum wage, and VOILA! It was no longer profitable to produce agricultural products so farms started collapsing or selling their profits abroad because--this will shock you--you can't run a business at a loss!

Meanwhile, the artificially high wages made businesses unprofitable, so they started laying people off. That was just obscene! So they passed another law that froze labor, making it illegal to lay people off. So the business owners had a choice: run the business on a LOSS, or close. Tens of thousands of businesses closed, and SURPRISE! their employees are unemployed.

Not to worry, Chavez just nationalized the ones he wanted and gave them as gifts to his friends.

So then Chavez took over the farms and nationalized them. That was a great plan: he turned over productive ranches and farms to uneducated peasants and guess what! They don't produce enough food in Venezuela to feed themselves, so now the government has to help import food into the country (poutlry, beef, etc) from Argentina and Brazil.

But wait, there's more! Why should anyone have the right to own MORE THAN ONE house? It's immoral to RENT a house to someone, so they passed a law that protects renters who stop paying rent--they can't be evicted! And what do you think happened? They stopped paying rent and people lost their investments. Yes, middle class people who had bought apartments as investments, a form of retirment planning, lost them.

Then the socialists decided that they should just take over entire buildings and give away the apartments.

They took over the hospitals and OOPS there is a shortage of medicine! They brought in Cuban doctors but WHOA most of them are not even doctors! Who cares! They are Cuban socialists who want to take care of the poor, that's all the medical training you need!

Then they decided that the news agencies were just a bunch of liars, out to make a profit, so they closed most of them down, and took over their facilities (another form of 'nationalization').

So now Venezuela has food shortages, even gas shortages, health shortages, but don't complain, it's a socialist paradise!

rockfallingstarmillionaire - you are attempting to confuse the issue with "artificial low rates" etc., etc.

The truth is, some people are greedy and place a higher value on money than human life. We have murderers in prison for it and we have murderers in fancy homes and office towers who look like polished sh#t for all the money they spend on themselves while gramma dies of cancer because she was deemed to have a pre-existing condition.

The wackos argue that Obama's plan to provide health care to ALL Americans will neglect cancer gramma, but it is the greedy murderers in insurance companies who are doing that.

Free markets are free for you and me when the governments get out of business. Tariffs are what has cause us to lose money by making us less competitive.

VoyagerDumbshitFilms, government is allowing gramma and grandpa to die because they have depleted their savings by artificial low rates, increasing malinvestment, and inflating the money supply thereby decreasing the value of their savings, which is an inflation tax. very sneaky.

Free markets are not FREE for you and me only the International corporations gain from such free trade. The American worker has been forced to compete with some worker in Vietnam who makes a dollar an hour. Bring tariffs back and pay the little people in this country for all their hard work.

Free market doesn't care about Grandma and Grandpa. Free market is allowing them to die without medical care because they don't have the cash - rockstarmillion dummy!

Another loony liberal socialist idea. The better idea suggested and our history shows is leaving it to the free market to lower costs and not paying insurance for regular checkups. Insurance should only be for catasrophic care, the rest to free market doctors to compete for the lowest cost, which is already being done to a smaller degree in the US. Save your socialist ideas for the Soviet Union. oh ya, that didn't work out.

Great idea! But busy government bureaucrats pretending to do their job serving the public and the top corporate management will be put out of business. They will never vote themselves out of comfortable seat and corporate jets on our expense. I say time to clean the house...

to all those claiming that this is a good idea, i hope you are also supporting a national single-payer system...

And some used to call Bush a fascist. Some of the ideas here get more and more looney every day. Just when I thought I had heard it all someone comes up with something like this.
Barring the obvious stupidity with this will someone tell me where in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution this is provided for.

People aren't getting a job because they are living off Welfare that we pay for.... Now if you give them free health care they will never work again at our expense!! Come immigrant's come all... Suck our paycheck's dry!! The future doesn't look good.

They need to...this is why mainly Health care is costly and out of whack...If the government stepped in and made it fair then I think it would level the playing field.

I trust the government a hell of a lot more than I would either of you corporate shilling elitist fucks Montesooma and GodsnLiberals. and sense we got most of your republican friends out all we have left to do is clean house on these wolves in sheeps clothing erp i mean Blue Dog Good'ol boys we got parading around like they arn't just racists southerners pissed that the republicans under their only good leader ever Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. So every time i read one of you troll's pathetic attempts to defend money and power and your holier than thou BS i just laugh and laugh and laugh because i know that you know that your time is coming to the end. and no matter how much you yell and scream and threaten and even act out violently it just another nail in the coffin of your ilks influence in this nation. how does it feel to know that after trying to imprison us and even attack and kill the peace movement and civil rights movement and all the other good things that will make this country strong again that WE WON!

Good idea. But lots of people point out the same thing...
THEY don't profit, and they lose their fortunes.

It would be nice though.

you trust the federal government?

Your company will be the next villain the progressives will use as an excuse to let the govnment take it over.
They've been doing this since 1918.
Seems to work on the ignorant public.

The last time I saw the stats, except for governments, Life Insurance Companies own more real estate world wide than anyone else. I guess every time one of us lives a little longer they get another few acres.

THAT is a good idea . How can we choke the life out of them first ? Perhaps we could start family , or community fund in a credit union . WE could put the money that would go to insurance into them , it would be risky , but if you are young and healthy ... Actually it would be safer than having insurance if you had a pre existing condition , as some I know do .

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the answer is not in the problem, it is in the solution.
passive non-participation is the solution and it can take down the insurance industry. the questions are; do you have the courage to break the law? are you self relient enough to be secure? can you be passive agressive against strong pressure?
it worked for Gandhi and broke england's back.
stop gambling against yourself, cancel your insurance. if you feel insecure; build your house on high ground out of brick (wolf proof), start your own business and join in your community.
be brave.

While we're at it let's do away with our whole capitalist system and become a socialist country where nobody is allowed to make a profit, just work, work, work for the good of the people. We all know the government is soooo good at managing stuff.

The bad thing about the mean old insurance companies is this-- they make money on us. But, hey, we think we should be able to pay them, over years, a few hundred dollars in premiums and they should pay out thousands, even hundreds of thousands if we need them to. They should "insure" us for cheap, not make any kind of profit, and pay through the nose if we get sick.

I have an idea--- instead of paying for insurance, why not just take that money and put it in a savings account, and if we get sick we can use THAT to pay our medical bills. Sound like a plan?

Great idea, but it makes too much sense, and sense isn't popular in this country. Sad to say.

Insurance is legalized robbery in my opinion. Sadly, the whole hole point of insurance companies is to collect money and keep it. There is nothing inherent in their business plan or structure which makes human health or life for that matter the main purpose, point or motivation.

There is a reason insurance companies are on the list of Fortune 500 companies and it ain't about you and I other than getting and keeping as much of our money as possible.

Damn the insurance companies!

That's the best plan anyone has came up with in forever. Then the insurance CEOs could be payed on a GS scale. Cool.

Them take away from their very own profit's, sorry but this will never happen. That is why we will never stop Global Warming. They would have to shut down, all their unecessary factories and companies that pour out steam and polluted water and cut trees. We would be cutting into their pockets,and profit's. This is why they will never stop the pollution and Global Warming is destined to KILL US ALL! Because they won't stop with the oil, fishing, cutting down of trees, the factories making things, that they get paid for, big profit = DEATH & POLLUTION, TO THE WATER, SKY, SUN & THE MOON. STOP ALL THE POLLUTION NOW, BEFORE WE ALL DIE NEEDLESSLY!

They will kill the economy until it cuts off their own heads.

That will never happen! It makes too much sense and actually sounds like it would be a win-win. Silly boy!