So it is Panspermia after all?

I was not referring to any mutations whatsoever, but to faulty "design" that existed already tens of thousands of years ago. You are free to believe whatever nonsense you wish to believe (none of what you professed above is in any of the teachings of Jesus Christ, so you are adding superstition and nonsense to your "Christianity"), I refer to solid incontrovertible empirical evidence. If God is the Designer, then he is a piss-poor one.

your an atheist aren't you who professes naturalism, effectively casual "if i feel like it" hedonism? figures. why do you people always portend to know Christianity when you obviously don't even know it well enough to disrespect it--all while effectively it's complete anathema to you, being the very belief you disavow as nonsense....but yet it doesn't dissuade your better intelligence being so obviously unaccustomed that you still feel the zeal to preach it better than one who actually professes it??? it's called hypocrisy, or perhaps the exercise of prejudice.

You have no conscience, and your brain is fried. that's why.

you weren't referring to diseasing mutations as a sign of biblical corruption in life, but I certainly was Vierotchka, because you asked. it's not superstition, it's in your face.

You are extremely presumptuous, as your straw man and ad hominem logical fallacies response perfectly illustrates. You are entitled to your erroneous beliefs, but that doesn't give you the right to insult me.

I am not an atheist, neither do I swallow fairy tales hook, line and sinker. I prefer direct communion and communication with the Source to referring to books and beliefs written and developed by ignorant, manipulative and hypocritical power-hungry men in the past. I also do not ascribe to idolatry and personality cults such as "Christians" have done and do. I prefer to learn and practice the teachings rather than idolize the teacher.

The theory of Intelligent Design itself lacks intelligent design, it is pseudoscience.

It is little wonder that the main dissemination of the Intelligent Design theory has occurred not through peer-reviewed journals, but through Web sites and popular-release books.

Evolution is not incompatible with belief in God - one could say that evolution is God's creative process in progress.

Intelligent Design began as an attempt to promote creationism without breaking American laws that keep religion out of schools.

Just take the human body - if it was created by a Designer, that Designer is singularly unintelligent, otherwise the Designer wouldn't have made all the following mistakes:

1. Female pelvis too small for the human baby's head making birth difficult and prone to perinatal injuries to the baby and the mother.

2. Retinal arteries/veins lying on and in front of the retina of the eyes. Many causes of blindness come from this defective design.

3. Wisdom teeth frequently leading to secondary abscesses, occasionally dissecting up into the cranium - resulting in brain abscesses, meningitis, epidural empyema.

4. Larynx too highly placed, leading to common choking deaths.

5. A bony projection, called the Odontoid Process, an extension of the C2 vertebral body like a long finger up to the end of the brainstem. It can easily fracture, especially in rheumatoid arthritis. That leads to death or paralysis of all extremities and inability to breathe without a mechanical ventilator. A simpler rotatory ball-socket joint would have been better and safer.

6. Semi-soft disc material between vertebrae and just anterior to the spinal cord is suited well to quadrupeds. But in humans the upper body weight compresses these and can cause herniations with mild to moderate trauma. There are 6 of these (none at C1-2) in the neck, 12 in the thoracic spine, 5 (rarely 6) in the Lumbar spine. That is 23 flaws or accidents waiting to happen.

7. Hip joints perfectly suited to support human weight if there were four of them or 4 supporting limbs. In a biped, the stress causes extremely common hip degeneration, femoral neck fractures in women and older people. How often do you hear of that in a dog or horse?

8. Knees similarly are not strong enough with the tibial cartilage in two legs for human weight, jumping down, and running. If we had 4 legs it would not be so bad. How often do you see cats with knee problems?

9. Foot and ankle bones are badly designed. Most quadrupeds walk on their toes or the balls of their feet. This puts more weight on flexible tendons, ligaments and several bending joints spreading the stress. With the human foot, we are walking on what is essentially our leg "wrists" and balls of the foot with an arch that is traumatised by walking and standing. When it falls it has an additional problem of severe foot pain. (see flaw #10).

10. In those fallen arches, the plantar nerves are badly placed. Instead of weaving between or over top of bones to their skin sensory receptors, these course "under" the ankle bones, under the arch to the metatarsal joints. When the arch slowly gives way it stretches those nerves and eventually compresses them. This never happens in dogs or cats.

11. Human wrists must extend to provide maximum finger flexion; a major human task is to hold things in our hands. So the wrist flexes a thousand times a day. Problem is that the median nerve runs through a bony trough covered by tough ligaments, the Carpal Tunnel. With every wrist flexion the median nerve is pulled in and out of that canal. The canal is easily narrowed by minor injuries or repetitive use. The nerve is injured causing pain, finger numbness, and weakness in thumb opposition.

12. The Elbow flexes and extends, but an important nerve, the Ulnar Nerve, mostly motor to the muscles of the forearm and hand, goes through the elbow bone. It unfortunately does not go in front of the elbow in the safer soft tissue. It courses behind the elbow which is fine in horses, but human flex the arm at the elbow that pulls and stretches the ulnar nerve in a long course behind the elbow in an "ulnar groove", and additionally, a sitting human often rests his elbows on a table, and that compresses the ulnar nerve. Dogs and cats don't do that.

13. The Brachial Plexus is a cluster of the nerves to the arm that travels through a triangle with the first rib being the bottom, the collar bone in front, and the scalene muscles behind. Also in the triangle is the brachial artery that supplies blood to the arm. Poor posture, hanging by exercise bars from the hands, or throwing balls, cause the triangle to compress either or both structures. This is the Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, the neuronal form when the plexus is injured, and the vascular form when the brachial circulation is impaired.

14. Female urinary opening (urethra), vagina, and rectum all located in a close row so that rectal infection of the urethra/bladder/kidneys, or the vagina is very frequent and can lead to kidney damage as well as damage to the fallopian tubes. The old joke is why is the recreational park located at the sewage outflow pipes?

15. The appendix is a seemingly useless relic of evolution that easily gets infected and ruptures in a life-threatening peritonitis unless removed quickly. A few postulate that it might have bacteria that make certain vitamins. That is unproven.

16. Large veins in the legs, progressively dilating from standing, walking, run the risk of blood clotting when the human sits for a period of time. These veins send those clots north to the heart's right ventricle and directly into the lungs causing pulmonary emboli (clots and lung infarction) that are often fatal.) Quadruped animals rarely die of this. Many humans do.

17. Venous Cavernous Sinuses at the skull base on left and right are large draining veins from the brain. But inside of the vein there is the carotid artery taking blood into the brain, and several important nerves: III, IV, VI that control all eye movements, pupillary diameter, and lens focusing, and V-1, V-2, and V-3 that supply sensation to the eye and face. This venous structure packed with these important structures is infected by sinus infection or pustules in or on the nose. Infection causes the blood to clot (thrombosis) that injures the nerves, makes the eye bulge and swell, and can cause spreading thrombosis into the brain which can be rapidly fatal.

18. Other cranial sinuses such as the transverse are located next to the middle ear that frequently gets infected in kids. The infection spread to the venous sinus and causes thrombophlebitis, the major effect is increased fluid pressure in the brain, venous strokes, and seizures. If all of those venous drainage pipes were internally situated, there would not be such a risk. (17 and 18).

19. Congenital birth defects caused by structures found only in primitive animals (but still in our genes): gills in our embryonic stage may have some left over at birth and a baby may have a partial gill (technically called a branchial cleft cyst.) These can cause pain as the person grows, or develop abscesses. Another is a chordoma, tumour composed of notochord tissue only otherwise found in ancient animals like Pikaea and Amphioxus. It preceded the evolution of the bony spine. We have one in our early embryo stages but absorb it. Sometime absorption is incomplete and notochord tissue (tumour) unfortunately grows in the clivus at the base of the brain.

20. Our abdomen. It houses our stomach, our liver, our spleen, great vessels (aorta) small bowel, and colon. In quadrupeds it is underneath. An attacker cannot easily get to it. The predator has to attack the tougher back and spine. But in the human the belly is sticking out there for some clawed or toothed predator or knife wielding human criminal to take a swipe and eviscerate us.

So much for "Intelligent" Design!

Remember, God is deemed to be Perfection. Perfection can only create perfection. Humans and animals, and even plants, are eminently imperfect.

jesus h christ you love to here yourself talk..............................

Vierotchta: one of my favorite arguments against intelegent design is the fact that humans eat, breathe, speak, drink, and vomit through the same home in their face. does anyone know how many people througout time have died just because of this? how intellegent is that?

one of my favorite proofs for un-intelegent design. vestigial remnants in anatomy...

in embryology it's well noted tha human fetuses go through a stage where they have GILL SLITS, indicating that part of our development is catered to an animal that would have lived in water. but these gills are eventually reabsorbed by the developing fetus, so that when we are born we do not have these would be gills.

humans fetuses also have a small flap beneath the eye lids called the NICTITATING MEMBRANE, it's the foggy to transparent third eyelid you see in some other animals including dogs, birds and water diving mamals like beavers, manatees, dolphins.... in humans, the membrane and it's working muscles are usually reobsorbed by the fetus before birth resulting in the 'plica semilunaris' in humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atavism
male mammals with nipples and even sometimes functional breasts, humans and other mammals sometimes have extra nipples...

humans also have ear wiggling muscles even though very few people can use them at all...

human tale bones, the Coccyx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality

Plantaris muscle in the human leg has disapeared entirely from some of the human population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantaris_muscle

these are examples from humans but other animals carry vestigial organs and structures in their anatomy as well.

whales have hips, even some pythons have hips and even something like a spikey thorn of a claw on the end of a massively underdeveloped leg.

crab tales, flightless moths (female gypsy moth),

in the wikepedia entry for Bird flight it's mentioned that "The wing sometimes has vestigial claws." why would a birds wing have any claw on it? look up the Hoatzin... they claws on their wings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_flight

even their entry on 'vestigial mentions
the wings of an imu, being pointless for that modern form of the bird...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

I think the FACT that we all come from a single cell if also a bit of proof that we evolved from 'simpler' forms down to the original celular replicator and posibly before that down to the competing amino acids reactions in the primortial ooze.

I do think it's also possible that life was seeded, not just by the proper portions of chemicals (leading to the beginning of life) but it also maybe living things themselves, posibly frosen in space for vast amounts of time to find themselves crashing (or drifting) our ot freefall orbit to the earths surface...just like our probes on mars, they have life from earth on them, so why couldn't space junk from other places have carried life here (intentionally or haphazardly)...? just a thought.

"They're still getting gamma ray explosions from all sides of the universe that they worry defy Einsteins laws." how does that defy einstein? do you even know anything about einsteins work? or even his 'laws'?

he's only added two, the work function of electron release from a metal under particular frequencies of light, called the "photo electric effect" which is what got him his nobel prize. then there's his theory of relativity, which he was actually going to name 'invariance theory'.

on Thermodynamic Law, you seem to be fond of these half thoughtout ideas... the laws of Thermodynamics (dealing only with ideal closed systems wich don't actually exist)are more or less as follows...

1: you can't break even. meaning, you will not get out the same amount of energy as you put in. not all the energy in the gas in your car is never used to actually more your car (most is used just to overcome its own friction)

2: you can't win: meaning, you will never get more than you put into the system. you will not travel 100 miles on 50 miles worth of gas.

3: you die: meaning the energy within a closed system (nothing from the outside adding) will eventually run out and the system will fail. if you don't keep adding gas (energy from the outside of the system) your car will eventually stop working.

none of these laws have anything to do with evolution except perhaps to elaborate on particualr subjects (fat cells, food mastication/digestion...). you seem to think that they somehow contradict the theory of evolution? how?

you state that 'You build it. It's GUARANTEED to break down' somehow is a proof of contradiction? how? explain this to me please? I'm well trained in the current laws of science and if you think that physics or chemestry or any science will contradict another then you don't know what science is.

"You build it. It's GUARANTEED to break down"... sure, I'd agree, but have you ever bothered to think, so what? just because I'm grown (built) doesn't mean I can't reproduce kid BEFORE I die (breakdown)... therefore the fact of reproduction nagates this arguemt seemingly against evolution.

on the fact is that the laws of thermodynamics aren't really applicable to evolution (on the whole of the theory of natural selection, but very applicable to minute individual details). this is because life on earth is NOT an ideal closed system... we have the sun constantly providing energy INPUT, not to mention the earth itself is also providing much energy to the biosphere... like putting gas in your car, the system will continue as long as it's given this energy INPUT....

"Evolution is nowhere on the scene to save the day! They're not "adapting" for shit NONE OF THEM ARE"... actually they are. but there's no way to adapt to a bullet. however there are plenty of ways to adapt to diseases... take feline AIDS for example lions are infamous carriers of this, but few to none ever die from it because they ARE adapting... the ones who get sick and die do... the ones that survive the disease pass on those genese that made them survive... thus following generations are MORE resistant to the disease. THIS is evolution.

stop being ignorant and learn something please... for your own sake.

"TOO MUCH UNBELIEVABLE COMPLEXITY"... wow there again another incomplete thought. what are your standards for complexity or unbelievable, hell, when do you say 'ah, this is just so simple it has to be believable? or when do you draw the line for 'too much'?

just because you lack the capasity or will to understand something doesn't mean it's not true. I bet you can't tell me how a photocopy machine works (actually something einsteins work on the photoelectric effect made possible).

have you ever dropped a bunch of marbles into a box or bag or something? they form a very predictable PATTERN from RANDOMly dumping them into a container. there is no need for design or a plan... it just happens... molecules and organic compounds are similar but far more coplex in predictable patterns. just as magnets will AUTOMATICLY align themselves with eachother... random organic molecules do (not just CAN but actually DO) organize themselves into complex patterns and structures.

If complexity itself overwhelms your intellegence then I'd say you're sorely qualified to make any sort of judgements dealing with anything more complex than perhaps legos and play dough...

I think the human race is still in it's infancy . Infants do have a tendency to believe they are the center of everything , as they grow up , it becomes clear that all revolves around mother . Or so it seems , the next step , the big picture come into view .

Are you trying to make me believe we are not special because we end up as a fertilizer?

Only if you believe that your body matters.

The spirit is what survives.

not sure I get your point?

"molecules (somehow MIRACULOUSLY) to man?"....

if thats what you think the explanation is no wonder it doesn't make sense... that's stupid.

I don't think anyone NOT trained in organic chemistry or geochemestry is even quilaified to make any sort of call on such a theory.