Obama challenges critics

Doing what a politicians is expected to do....isn't caring.

doing what a human is expected to do...is caring.

DNFTT

Yes. Screw war. Pay for our health care. America turns into "Switzerland" ---only using weapons for defense. It would make for an awesome land of bunker.

If only...that was going to happen...that would be cool.

I believe that the health care needs help...and the help it needs is to be just like congress's.

If they want to give us something and they really care...then we should have what they have. What we are getting in that ridiculously long unnecessary wordy document isn't something they'd want or they'd have it as well.

I have to be brief here because I am required to go help some friends celebrate something...

I can understand that point... and actually agree with it. I am for a single payer system... which would include congress since they would in fact be the only payer...

despite that, if you read through all of the bill and take a look at the opinions that were put into it, this is not something that is slapped together, and in fact will help congresses health care as well. One example of this... As of now the only time doctors are held to operational sequences are when a patient is insured by medicare, there are portions of this bill that are trying to make sequential sequences mandatory. The things that we have already implemented this on such as heart attack patients... there is now a 20% greater survival rate. This also happens to be one of the things that is being so heavily attacked by opponents... it is part of the so called death panels.

Despite the fact that this is not actually an "Obama" plan, he is trying to show you what is in it... I agree with you that he is not very good at it, though he is trying, and that is more than what can be said of any politician in recent history... even the Clinton's did not put this much effort into social reform... I think you may have to go all the way back to the 50's or early 60's to find a greater effort than what is being put forth here.

If you want me to cite all of that stuff I will be more than happy to do so tomorrow, just let me know... and by all means, if you think what I have said is off, point it out.

I am not someone wants to read something so long and boring, only because I can't d that....the moment I start reading something I find boring I start to fade out and my eyes read and by brain doesn't pay attention.

Disabilities are only fun when they can be noticeable. On a New York Subway it's against the law to not offer your seat to someone that is disabled. --fun times doing that ...as I saw with my brother's friend and his cane. Everyone offered their seat and he often refused it. ---but disabilities that are unseen are not fun. They are harder to have fun with and they are usually obnoxious...especially learning ones. I am not slow, I am just someone that can't stay focused on reading if the phrasing is off or retarded and legal as well as political writing is both.

I took courses in paralegal so I had to contend with that, but I did very well in that....so it has its moments.

The only problem I see is that the money is not there to deal with this---is there?

No.... the funding for the bill is there, it falls under the responsibilities of the Senate Finance Committee. The Senate Finance Committee takes the bill that is being proposed and finds a way to finance the bill, they are often the reasons for the biggest cuts in bills or declaring bills not feesable. On this bill they are taking a good chunk of the money from reforming medicare, aka restructuring the way medicare is handled. Currently Medicare oversight is contracted out to the lowest bidder which is often Blue Cross Blue Shield... for every oversight that these contracted companies are able to stop or absolve they get a generous chunk of the "saved" money... hence not really saving medicare any money... this will fall under the new national health organization. The national health organization is part of what scares people about the bill, but it has fail safes as well... tried and true fail safes that are already implemented with medicare patients.

This is kind of a lot, but I will do my best.

When a patient is emitted to a hospital they are assigned a designation based on their symptoms called DRG's for diagnostic related group... for instance if someone is having chest pains... based on this designation they are then run through a list of exams and procedures, these exams and procedures are going to be set in stone by the national health persons... this is not a new practice, with heart patients it is called ACSETS, and the hospitals that have already stated using this procedure for chest pains have seen a 20% increase in heart attack survivors over the last few years... the goal of the legislation is to develop step by step procedures for all DRGs... and the oversight will simply be to assure that doctors are in fact going through the proper steps and insuring that patients are getting the proper care... but people want to blow all that common sense away with scary terminology like death panels... and other ignorance's (not lumping you in with that).

This bill is very well thought out when it comes down to it, and the areas they may need tweaking, well they are designed to be able to be tweaked by the health board.

Does that help Jammer?

If someone cares about people they help them understand.

Saying "OMG those dump stupid elephant, red, republican conservatives are so stupid don't listen to them" helps no one.

Websites help those who like reading the screen.
Newspapers help those that like to read on the toilet.
Radio address help old people.

That leaves a lot of people that don't understand. Now these people might be the ones that don't like democrats....so what? They are human and they are citizens and whether or not they are hard headed they deserve to understand...and if that takes until someone is bleeding out the fingers, eyes wherever...then by all means do it....because caring means that NOTHING is too difficult to do to help people.

He has not done enough.

Try again.

"Saying "OMG those dump stupid elephant, red, republican conservatives are so stupid don't listen to them" helps no one."

I've never heard Obama say that. Certainly though he should be firmly dismissing any plain out falsities that are coming from ANY side.

"Websites help those who like reading the screen.
Newspapers help those that like to read on the toilet.
Radio address help old people.

That leaves a lot of people that don't understand."

You forgot of course Television and his tour of the country. So you are saying that even though Obama has reached out to people through appearances, television, the internet, newspapers and radio...he still isn't doing enough?

Then the question really is, what do you want him to do?

"Websites help those who like reading the screen."
"Newspapers help those that like to read on the toilet."
"Radio address help old people.""

and people who hate OBAMA are just needing someone to hate becaues they wont admit they had 8 years to improve (not destroy) on the progress Clinton made.

I want him to care.

To do as he states he is doing instead of just talking about it. I want him to make those that are working and talking about the bill to care....and not be snide about it just because they are talking to those who are not of their party.

THEY are to be the humble ones. THEY should take a beating in selling this and they shouldn't act like people should agree just because it's about health care.

This idea that if you don't agree you don't want health care for all...is retarded.

I want someone who cares to actually show it....and if you ever read about Jesus he cared and he suffered.

I want to see how bad Obama cares. If he doesn't care that bad...then he shouldn't use the world.

He might as well state what he wishes he could - "Do what I say because I'm right and you're wrong" because every time he speaks...that's what he says.

And no he doesn't say OMG...the fact that you like satire isn't ever apparent in anything you post when the joke isn't about conservatives.

"And no he doesn't say OMG...the fact that you like satire isn't ever apparent in anything you post when the joke isn't about conservatives."

I think you misunderstood me. Obviously I wasn't taking you word for word- I don't think Obama is saying "don't listen to republicans" at all, just don't listen to false statements being made by some people. It just so happens that a lot of the myths about health care are coming from extreme conservative groups.

"I want someone who cares to actually show it....and if you ever read about Jesus he cared and he suffered.

I want to see how bad Obama cares. If he doesn't care that bad...then he shouldn't use the world. "

Are you saying that you want Obama to suffer for this?

You said you "Want him to care". I'm willing to bet that a person who ran their campaign on health care reform and is working to reform it as his number one issue as the President cares about it. Do you disagree?

Delia,

I don't know if I have ever been quite as happy to "see" someone as I was to see that you had decided to spend a good long while on Current tonight. The intelligence curve had been pulled down to an all-time low, I heaven knows I lack the IQ to pull it back up.

Thank you in particular for your patience. You know as well as I that there is NOTHING President Obama could do that would appease Jammer or the rest of that crowd. If President Obama were to offer to go to Jammer's home and explain his position in person, that STILL wouldn't be enough.

And of course, NONE of these critics can even grasp the concept that none of these bills BELONG to Presidnt Obama. President Obama is not a Member of Congress. He CANNOT introduce legislation for consideration by Congress. NONE of the bills in question were drafted by President Obama. They very much WERE drafted in response to President Obama's request that Congress address the PROBLEMS...gah! Why bother? I can sense the light dimming in their eyes already (those who managed to read this far).

Anyway...thanks!!!

So bad people do good things....good people can do bad things.

no,

good people do good things and retarded (misinformed) people prevent things or endorses things that have no accredited value of any sort besides hate. (obama as hitler)

So your side is right because you say so.

Simplifying your over complication of your reply.

I never said that. I don't have a side; and if it were a side, it'd probably be justified because I don't have any malicious intentions.

Left, right, black, white, can all do good is what I said. But it is the misinformed that cause the greatest harm to your americanized demographic.

All i perceive is this: Progressive individuals being suppressed because of the absolute insecurity (especially you) of the american demographic. Pouting ignorant sentiments for the sole benefit of the doubt.
history tends to repeat itself.
i can understand this. and perhaps a little bit about your situation jjammer: you think that government involvement should be avoided absolutely and that government of any sort is corrupt left or right.

i agee absolutely.
I am resolute in my perceptions of the reality at hand and I know that no one can be trusted really.
Progress needs to be made however.

AND I CAN ASSURE YOU government involved health-care is the best possible solution. Especially in your monetary-first society.

it is amazing how frenzied the debate is because of the misinformation. This should have been wrapped up a month ago.

Did you read it?

And I wasn't talking about being able to read it.

But thank you for giving us something to read that's almost as long as the Bible.

Your excuse of being too lazy or intimidated at the chore of reading is not suitable reason to have contempt for what the President is trying to do.

He's not trying....

care is hard work.

He's yet to do any hard work.

Jammer, I just don't get it. He's been relentlessly promoting health care reform through every medium available. Why do you think he's not doing anything?

I am under the impression that JJammer does not have health insurance either... cause if did he would know that health insurance policies are as long and often longer than this bill.

if he did have health insurance, he should have been able to afford a good psychiatrist. (not saying he cant or is)

notice how he specified this time, everyone?

That's thanks to me.

WRONG.

You.

Wrong again. Try harder.

A COUPLE of minutes to discuss what is misinformed about the bill but more than a couple of seconds to insult those that don't agree.

If we are important, and he's lying when he says that, then it would be the entire time he was speaking would be about the bill and telling EVERYONE what is in it and why it is important.

Telling anyone "NO that's no in there" is hollow.

1,000+ pages and he can't simplify it so that the simplest of the American Public could understand it? No one in Washington DC cares.

The freakin constitution and the bill of rights and the declaration of independence can be understood by elementary school children...but this Bill is confusing DOCTORS who spend at least a decade in school.

Children can understand what an entire country is built upon but Doctors, politicians (I know it's a stretch sometimes) and other intelligent beings in this country cannot get it.

There is a fail.

Weekly address reaches only those that agree with him....nothing more.

If he cared he'd make sure EVERYONE got a copy of what is in that bill. EVERYONE.

Fail is the correct term to use.

Care is a term that it is easy to say and hard to do. He's yet to do it.

the weekly address is aired on every big talk radio station in the country. hardly what i would call his support base.