President Obama Isn't Really Trying to Take Over the Internet
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http://gizmodo.com/5350719/president-obama-isnt-really-trying-to-take...
It was pretty much the perfect story: The Senate introduced a bill that would let the President take over the entire internet during a crisis. Our online Weimar Republic is crumbling beneath the digital Führer! Minor catch: It wasn't true.Credit to Nicholas Thompson over at Epicenter, who spent some quality time with the bill:
[I]n its original form, did have some seriously bad ideas in it. For example, in an emergency, the president could "order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network."
And then, Senate procedure happened. The softened, pared-down language of the current bill would only entitle the President to, "In the event of an immediate threat to strategic national interests involving compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network" help to "direct the national response" to a crisis, "in coordination with relevant industry sectors." As Thompson notes, nothing scary is granted here, and the President definitely hasn't been authorized to take over private networks, for malign ends, for fun, or otherwise.
In reality, the bill might actually aid transparency, oddly enough: Thompson highlights a theory that, by ensuring the government's digital emergency management powers are kept out of the less accountable hands of the NSA and in the public view, abuses are less likely. So there's that!
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akamaial [removed]
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Yes indeed, everything is perfectly above board and compleely mis-understood --- yes-siree-bob!
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5308-obamas-cyber-control
Senate bill 773, the Rockefeller-Snowe Cybersecurity Act of 2009, is currently being redrafted. An earlier version of the bill introduced in April caused a significant uproar when it appeared to give the executive branch the power to regulate, or even take control of, private networks, including the Internet.Details about the rewrite of the bill leaked onto the Internet recently, and it appears that the offending language has been made more vague than the original, but that has not stopped cyber-rights groups and others from worrying about it’s impact. In fact, upon close inspection, the expected changes make it even more of a cause for concern than the more precise wording of the earlier version, despite the fact that some are downplaying the new language.
The controversial wording in the original bill would have given President Obama the authority and power to “declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network.” This would essentially give the President the power to shut down the internet when and to what extent he deemed necessary in the event of a natural disaster, wartime, or anything else that could be deemed a “cybersecurity emergency.”
Under the updated, more open-ended version of the bill, the President may, if he finds it necessary “for the national defense and security, and in coordination with relevant industry sectors, direct the national response to the cyber threat and the timely restoration of the affected critical infrastructure information system or network.” [Emphasis added].
This vague wording appears to give the president total control over any infrastructure related to cyberspace, in the event of an emergency, which the president is also empowered to declare. After all, being empowered to “direct the national response” necessarily implies that those operating “critical infrastructure” will have to follow any White House directives. Where it improves on the original, from the perspective of a Washington insider, bureaucrat, or politician, is that it does so by creating plausible deniability.
Originally, the only place the leaked version was available was as a download from tech journalist Declan McCullagh’s website and not from official sources. (The full text of the new draft is now available here.) Nevertheless, for official word about the rewrite we contacted Senator Snowe’s office in Maine, but staffers there refused to comment when asked about the revision and bluntly told us to “contact your local Senator.” We then contacted Senator Rockefeller’s office but all of his staff were “out for training.” Why the silence on what has been a high profile and controversial bit of legislation? As a last resort, we contacted Senator Russ Feingold's office, following the advice to contact a local Senator (in our case in Wisconsin). An aide from Senator Feingold’s office was kind enough to put in a request for the revised draft of the bill but commented that it was unlikely anything would be done.
http://current.com/items/90844735_will-a-emergency-rob-our-freedoms-of-speech.ht...=42�
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slarabee
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SEC. 18. CYBERSECURITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY.
The President--
(1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--
(A) a long-term vision of the Nation’s cybersecurity future; and
(B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers
(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;
So due to the fact that I can read I am unable to see where this act gives the President control over private internet networks. It would be a real stretch for the President or congress to claim that my link (ATT DSL) is critical infrastructure.
Here in lies the problem with the rapid dissemination of information in the modern day. People can read things they are not qualified to comprehend and then make snap judgments about them.
I had a similar discussion with a man earlier today that claims to have read the entire proposed health care bill twice. I said well that's great but reading something and comprehending it are 2 entirely different things.
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slarabee:
if the office of the president of the united states can create a gitmo.blah blah blah..*i am sure you are well versed of the broad and sweeping facististic powers give to bush by liberals**..
.trust me it can shut down and control the internet...
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slarabee:
If you read my other comments it is not the power that I question it is the ability.
Even given the power to shut down the internet the president does not and would not be granted by the private parties that own the internet the ability to do so.
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slarabee
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JohnA
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I wouldn't put anything past Obama. We already know he's a bold faced liar. I don't trust him for a second.
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maasanova
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Dude you seem to be attacking me for saying Obama wants to shut down private internet infrastructure but if you look at my comments, I never said that.
Some people have said that the bill would give the president that authority, but I challenge you to find where I said that. You won't.
I'm saying I don't trust congress and many don't either.
Even the Wired blogger admits Rockefeller had to go back and change some of the language in the original bill because it freaked people out so I really don't know what you're getting at.
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maasanova
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maasanova:
I am sorry if I am misreading or reading something into what you are say that you did not mean.
You said:
"The bill still gives Obama (who really controls nothing, he's just a puppet) to control it in the event of a cyber attack.
Obama can't do anything unless the Congress, who is openly against free speech and the contitution, grant him the power."
I read that to mean that you think that "power" exists in one form or another and from what I have read of the section in question I cannot see it. I just can't.
If we are to understand things as complex as internet infrastructure and the securing of highly sensitive and critical pieces of that infrastructure we must have an honest with ourselves approach. With out at least limited powers over that infrastructure we can in no way protect it.
As a network engineer that has worked for Fortune 500 companies such as GM and Ryder Logistics I can say that I have had the authority (and more importantly the ability) to "shut down" those networks (in part at least) and I can honestly say it is not something you do lightly.
I worked for a small ISP early in my career and I can tell you if I would have got a call from someone in the government, even the President himself telling me to shut down our routers, I would have put them on hold and called the President of the ISP I worked for, who would have immediately called his lawyers.
Now imagine a scenario where the government is ordering ATT to shut down their networks. First ATT has an army of lawyers. Secondly if there is a widespread hacking event taking place the engineers at ATT are likely to know about it before the government (in my opinion) and in such a scenario ATT will begin blocking access in order to isolate the issue before the President even has time to react.
It is all a matter of understanding that the internet is not a single entity that someone can just shut off. It is not that simple at all. Automatic routing matrices cause routers to route around failed or downed nodes so even if the President somehow convinced ATT to take down their core router in say Chicago my link here at home would within and hour or so reroute around the downed router in Chicago. Now admittedly this is an over simplification and a stretch to assume that the engineers at ATT do a good enough job to provide such fail over (in their defense they must be careful about how they route in the event of a failure due to the massive loads they deal with) but the fact is that putting one sentence in a piece of legislation (however ambiguous) does not give the President (or congress) the ABILITY to shut down the internet, no matter how crazy or power hungry they may be.
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maasanova:
You were the one that brought up private infrastructure, not me.
My only concern is Congress giving over-reaching authority to a puppet president, just like they did when they gave over-reaching power to puppet Bush after 9/11.
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maasanova
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maasanova
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After 9/11 the president was given sweeping powers by Congress. With most of those same criminals still acting with contempt for America, just because we have a new puppet on the stage doesn't mean Congress is going to stop writing these laws that give the president over-arching authority.
Sheesh, Obamalove knows no bounds here.
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maasanova
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maasanova:
Again what you are saying has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is the internet and whether or not the specific bill in question actually gives the President the power or the ability to "shut down" the internet.
I would have the same attitude towards the hyperbolic response to the bill even if Bush and Cheney were still in charge.
I have read the bills and I also understand how the internet functions that is why I know that the Bill does not give the president the ability to shut down the internet.
Speak to exactly how the bill gives the President the authority to shut down the private internet, that means what I am using right now.
I could care less if the president shuts down access to the Department of Defense or the power grid or the White House or congress etc... because I do not use those sites or those agencies routers to do any ANYTHING I do on the internet and as a matter of fact if they shut down access to those agencies infrastructure you and I would not even notice unless it was in the news, which we would still get because news agencies do not use those routers or servers to deliver content either.
That is the whole point. The entire hyperbolic paranoid discussion is meaningless and what is more is if Obama and Congress did not take some action to protect our vital and sensitive infrastructure and then we came under cyber attack and some brilliant and malicious hackers took out our power grid people like you would be the first ones to blame them and you would be right too.
Peace out.
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slarabee
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Pathetic really that the very first comment here still does not seem to get it.
Even the original bill only gave him power to shut down traffic to government networks which is by no means "shutting down the internet"
If you don't know what you are talking about don't talk you just look stupid.
Here is a perfect example of why shutting down government internet would not equate to shutting down the internet, I am a network engineer but don't take my word for it.
If you run a trace route from my system (or yours) to www.da.ru in Russia you will see that there are no government routers or servers involved in the process of routing that traffic.
I took out the first couple of hops for my own peace of mind but:
asn1299-telia.eqchil.sbcglobal.net - SBC (Now ATT) chicago router - the asn1299-telia represents the port that hop hit - Obviously the Telia port.
nyk-bb2-link.telia.net - Look like a telia router in New York.
ldn-bb1-link.telia.net - Look like another Telia router in London
ldn-b2-link.telia.net - London again.
ldn-tch-i2-link.telia.net - London again.
peterstar-01831-ldn-tch-i2.c.telia.net - St. Petersburg Russia?
All those hops were on TeliaSonera an International Carrier.
M120-1-325-SPB-RU.ge-2-0-2-0.nw.synterra.ru - NW may mean Nothwest Russia.
M120-1-321-SPB-RU.xe-1-0-0-0.nw.synterra.ru -
MX960-1-321-SPB-RU.xe-0-0-0-0.nw.synterra.ru - Synterra is another private carrier based in Russia.
wwwdaru.net.incru.net - Finally www.da.ru in russia.None of those routers are government controlled.
So the point is that the very backbone of the internet is not run or maintained by the government and the original bill did not grant the President the power to shut down private networks (such as ATT) it only gave him the ability to shut down traffic in and out of government and internet connected infrastructures like power plants, the department of defense etc...
Networks like the internet are extremely complex so if you are going to read a bill that outlines the security of the government parts of that infrastructure and then comment about it in a hyperbolic and paranoid fashion the least you could do is educate yourself as to what is what.
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slarabee:
daaaaaaaaamn
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slarabee:
if an office can grab people from thier sleep from the other side of the planet and then keep in in gitmo for indefinite period of time..
they can shut you donw..all they need is a good reason..
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slarabee:
It is far easier to break the law and under cover of night kill or kidnap than it is to in the light of day battle the army of attorneys held on retainer by corporate data carriers.
It is a simple matter of understanding how much money and how much infrastructure we are talking about.
Even the prospect of shutting down the internet in America for one hour would cost online resellers and merchants unimaginable amounts of money.
It is worse than the idea of the President shutting off all the electricity nation wide.
It is a ridiculous and childish fear with no basis in reality.
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slarabee
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macfan
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A puppet the congress the congress are puppets
to corporations and so are the Tea baggers. - 5 months ago
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maasanova
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The bill still gives Obama (who really controls nothing, he's just a puppet) to control it in the event of a cyber attack.
Obama can't do anything unless the Congress, who is openly against free speech and the contitution, grant him the power.
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maasanova
