The USA is number one...In gun sales!

why don't you go live in a gun-free society like...Russia.

or China. I'll buy you a friggin' ticket.

I dont think Bill Clinton is the mastermind. Great example of our glass cage though.

You should read up on the crime rates of cities and states with the toughest gun control laws.

Gun control only takes laws only take guns from law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws.

Canada, where only criminals have guns.

Calgary, Alberta has numerous stabbings every week end, mostly in bar fights. The method has changed , but the intent is the same.

The police are just everyday American citizens. The reason you see police as some kind of tyrannical arm of the evil empire is because you dehumanize them to the point where they are nothing more than the fictional Stormtroopers. But as someone who has known policemen OUT of uniform, I find this comically delusional.

I have friends that are cops and they dispise the bad cops that give them a bad name oathkeepers.org

"incense", the thought that you have seen them, "out of uniform", presents a visual image I can hardly accept. Is it like Reno 911?

That is some of the worst logic I've ever seen. There would be more innocent bystanders shot if everyone went around shooting their guns. Since they don't, your claim is unlikely to happen.

Your last paragraph is about as factually incorrect as you can get. Criminals use guns for illegal purposes. Not law abiding citizens. You keep thinking you are smarter than the Founding Fathers though.

Yeah i was really blazed when i came up with that logic. It made sense at the time...

hey fun_size, glad you admitted you were high when you wrote that.

which, by the way, highlights one of the dangers of dope and dopes on dope.

i digress...

all you have to do is remember the elderly retired air force man in teh Pharmacy that defended himself against the gun toting bruthas who thought they wuz BAD. The pharmacist shot one and the other soiled his damn shorts as he ran like a scared rabbit.

No innocent bystanders killed.

Or this good samaritan who killed a robber:
http://www.justnews.com/news/19004648/detail.html

and this one:
http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/01/15/indiana-man-fatally-shoots-robber-in-se...

or this one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=...

Should I go on?

Here's my favorite: a blind man shot a robber in the chest!
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2436236/detail.html

so your argument about citizens being bad shots is just silly. Even a BLIND MAN can kill a robber!

If proponents of private gun ownership are no threat to the U.S. Gov't. why does the FBI and ATF spend such an inordinate amount of time and money for a nonexistant threat? Tim McVeigh proved that one man can scare the hell out of Washington; while a handful of Muslims sent America into a tailspin. The Unibomber drove them crazy. It is not the size of the dog in the fight ,but rather the size of the fight in the dog! There is no doubt that a certain percentage of the Gov't. fears private gun ownership in the U.S. and will do almost anything to see it end! Have we forgotten Ruby Ridge or Waco, or many other less well publized events? Remember Patty Hearst and the SLF. Our gov't. has hounded any dissident groups out of existance. Clear evidence of their fear and willingness to stomp out anyone not following their policy.

well ssaid, both of you

you just revealed your shallow bigotry. I happen to know a LOT of highly educated individuals who own weapons and make very rational arguments based upon historical events about the increasing tyranny of the government. Your notion that these gun ownership proponents are a lot of ignorant rednecks is ignorant bigotry.

It also presumes that the "simple folk" in the country, whom you've labeled as rednecks are ignorant. True, some of them are truly ignorant, and I used to believe that also. But my experience has convinced me that, while many of them are not very articulate, they have an amazingly good understanding of US History, they understand what's going on today better than a lot of our arrogant college-educated liberals, so it's a bit unwise to paint them with a wide brush and assume they're stupid.

Tyr,

I understand your point. Who will protect you and yours if the govt cannot catch all the militia types or police up the millions of guns currently in US households?

Your recitation of whackos does not in any way take away anyone's second amendment rights.

You don't have to exercise them if you choose not to.

your attempt to put every person into some bizarre category of lunatics is shameful!

That is the equivalent of saying that every Muslim is just like al Qa'eda--a statement I doubt you'd make.

Or that every Christian is like David Koresh.

Or every Liberal is like Mao.

It's the most absurd generalization possible.

I have yet to read a single post here where anyone has threatened violence, although a number of us (myself included) are warning of increasing tyranny and a need to remain vigilant, politically active, and if need be, be prepared to defend our rights.

That sounds radical to you?

What exactly would you have been saying if the Bush regime had created a list of bloggers and started rounding them up? What if right wingers were reading your posts and put you on a list of "enemies of the state", and began to arrest folks like you (or me)?

Would you still be saying "this is a perfect nation and there is no need to own a gun"?

well calm, I have to say that your analysis of the poem missed a number of points that were being made. I think you take certain parts too literally. Remember, it's poetry, not prose.

"On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent,
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent."
You don't have to pay rent for land you purchased. "

Even if you buy land outright, you still pay taxes on that land forever. Even if you want no part of any of the government-provided infrastructure, you are bound to pay for it. What's more, the government may take your land at any time via "eminent domain", paying you what IT thinks it's worth, and often reselling it to other developers who will pay more in taxes. That smacks of tyranny, not liberty. Look it up, calm_incense, you'll find a number of cases that are simply outrageous.

"Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate,
Your moral values can't be taught, according to the state."

"So I guess all those people I've met who have been HOME SCHOOLED were breaking the law, eh? Or maybe this poem just doesn't have much regard for factual information."

I'm not sure I follow your statement on the homeschooling. The point the poem appeared to be making was that a distinct minority of atheists and agnostics have removed any reference to the spriitual beliefs of the vast majority in schools. No matter how religious a specific state or district is, if 99.9999999% of the people in a district are Christian, they will still be sued if just ONE atheist complains, and so no Christians can ask to pray before a football game, or anything else that is school-related.

Conversely, in the name of tolerance, Islam is being taught in other schools, even though the Muslim population is extremely small. There are disturbing cases in California where kids were encouraged to read the Koran, dress as Muslims, pray on mats toward Mecca, etc. as a "learning experience", but Christians who are the majority there are NOT allowed to practice their faith publicly. There is a recent case of principles (in north Florida) who have gone to jail for praying before a meal during a fund raiser because a judge had ordered them to desist from ANY expression of religion at school related events. Nevermind what the majority believe there, it's a form of anti-Christian bigotry that is sweeping the nation.

Please note: I'm an agnostic, not a Christian. But I see what is happening as plain as day.

"Harass your fellow countryman while corrupted courts prevail."

"Yes, if only our country had trial by jury. *sigh*"

Are you SERIOUS? You've never heard of any case where large corporate powers were able to win over a smaller plaintiff or where they were engaged in jury tampering? Please.

"Anyone who thinks "___ is evil" is a legitimate assertion is clearly not interested in being objective or credible."
Is Nazism evil? Or do I need to be more objective?
How about torture? Can I say that torture is evil? Or do I need to be more understanding of the torturers?
How about Rape? Murder?

There IS such a thing as evil in the world, and it's far more common than Liberals want to believe. Liberals are engaging in "moral relativism"

You appear to have decided from the start to interpret every line of the poem in a way that would be false, rather than search your memory for examples of events that prove it right.

In short, you've chosen to deny truths you would rather not face.

curtisreed, once again you've nailed it...dead on!

Your a presumptuous dick. This is ART, based off ones view of REAL events.

example:
{ "You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the IRS."

Yes, because taxes go to the governmental employees of the IRS. Right.
} Income tax(collected by IRS) does not go the government at all but to "The Federal Reserve", a private organization.

What does that have to do with pleasing the IRS?

Nothing?

That's what I thought.

Oh, and LOL at the notion of the Fed needing our taxpayer money. Yeah, an un-audited private organization with the power to create billions of dollars out of thin air relies on our tax dollars for its funding. Right. LMAO.

Oh, and my WHAT'S a presumptuous dick?

Oh, you just haven't mastered "you're" yet?

Ok, then.

The Fed loans money to the US government with interest. period.

The words were used as an artist representation os the situtation but if your prefer to be literal, they are probably pretty damned pleased with the paychecks that feed them and there family.

If you could read correctly, you would note i called YOU a presumptuous dick, not anything your posses but you as a whole. Case in point, you answered your own question in an online forumn.

{
What does that have to do with pleasing the IRS?

Nothing?

That's what I thought.
} That is why you are prsumptuous. I know your a dick from the way you look.
GOD YOUR UGLY

Jesus Christ. Go to elementary school and learn some grammar.

Ugh. At first I thought you were joking, but then when I saw you were serious, I could do nothing but *facepalm*.

You people are *so* unbelievably sad.

Rock on Mafia. Those that are not armed are nothing more than victims in waiting when the revolution comes.

I am so sorry I sadden You, may I offer some poetry?

The Ghost From Valley Forge -by Thelen Paulk

I had a dream the other night I didn't understand,
A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.

His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood there by my bed,
He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low he said:

"We fought a revolution to secure our liberty,
We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.

For future generations, this legacy we gave,
In this, the land of the free and home of the brave.

The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,
But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.

Your freedom gone -- your courage lost -- you're no more than a slave,
In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.

On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent,
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent.

Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate,
Your moral values can't be taught, according to the state.

You read about the current "news" in a very biased press,
You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the IRS.

Your money is no longer made of silver or of gold,
You trade your wealth for paper, so life can be controlled.

You pay for crimes that make our Nation turn from God to shame,
You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name.

You've given government control to those who do you harm,
So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm.

And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
Harass your fellow countryman while corrupted courts prevail.

Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn,
Your daughters visit doctors so children won't be born.

Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores,
And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.

Can you regain your Freedom for which we fought and died?
Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?

Are there no more values for which you'll fight to save?
Or do you wish your children live in fear and be a slave?

Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!
Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!

Preserve our Republic, and each God-given right!
And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright!"

As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came,
His words were true, we are not free, and we have ourselves to blame.

For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right,
We only watch and tremble -- too afraid to stand and fight.

If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you're asleep,
And wonder what remains of your right he fought to keep.

What would be your answer if he called out from the grave?
Is this still the land of the free and home of the brave?

I'm so tired of hearing about "the revolution".

What a bunch of melodramatic sheeple.

Edit: That was to Ihatethemall.

I'm going to have fun responding to Mafia's response, but it'll take a while.

"When all else fails to organize the people the conditions will." Marcus Garvey

Flame away, arrogant Libs. But MinneapolisMafia is right. The second amendment was NOT written to defend our hunting rights.

This government is NOT what was intended. It has been a long time in coming, but we must turn back the government and reduce it signficantly; hopefully through peaceful and democratic means, but if we are not heeded and the forces of tyranny continue to build, then other means may be necessary.

Have you Liberals forgotten your outrage about the infringement of our civil liberties via the Patriot Act? Has that gone away?
Now the govt requests the ability to control and shut down the internet in "times of emergency": don't you think they have studied the lesson in the recent Iranian conflict and decided that they must be able to silence our communication by controlling this newest and most powerful communication medium?

And so then we here that the Pentagon has requested 400,000 troops to man NorthCom, to station this "standing militia" in the USA...to what end? As Patrick Henry said, when addressing the British Government's quartering of troops in the colonies (substitute "Federal Govt" for "Britain"):
"Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. "

Are you people so blind? Do you EVER know of a case in which the ambitious leaders of a government have announced before hand "we wish to establish a fascist state and oppress you, the people! What say you?" NO!. Tyranny arrives unannounced. The people of Germany, the Soviet Union, etc. all thought they were being liberated, protected, and cared for, only to find that they had slowly been converted from citizens to subjects, from Free Men to Slaves.

You can now be taxed into submission. Elite leaders can decide for you that the "end of the world" is coming, call it "Global Warming" and then impose any insane laws they wish under the guise of necessary prevention of global destruction.

These same leaders have decided to pander for the votes of people who are not even citizens, granting them a "path to citizenship" and promising them a never ending list of benefits, not because it is the right thing to do, but because by doing so they secure them as voters to secure their grasp on power in a democratic façade. We've seen these tactics in Venezuela, where a 40+ year old democracy died on the vine and tyranny grew instead.

And THERE you see an UNARMED populace subjugated to the whims of "progressive" socialists who decide how much property an individual may own, what wages are fair, what prices are right, what voices may be heard on the radio and the "reasonable" limits to free speech".

And yet to those ends you appear to go willingly, as long as you are granted ONE MORE indulgence on your way to the gallows. "Take my Liberty", you say, "but promise me access to a doctor."

You may have that NOW, in JAIL, although I doubt you would trade your daily freedom for that convenience, were it viewed so clearly.

But that IS what you are doing, because you fail to see how you have been lulled by fascism's sweet song: "I will take care of you from cradle to grave, and all I ask in return, is your submission."

Bravo curtisreed...TRUTH

@ curtisreed:

So many logical fallacies, it'd be a waste of time even trying to counter them all. I'm sorry, but for all that text, all I see is a bunch of BS.

If you *really* want me to go through that whole thing, I will. But after my conversation with 'Mafia', I've realized that the paranoid and short-sighted are impervious to the universality of common sense.

calm- for you kool-aid drinkers it always is about 'name calling'. I tried to be nice, using words of love and understanding. You make me think of the we are all mirrors to each other......
again, 'paranoid' YES! You call me that as if i will be offended?
'common since', get some.
'short sighted' yes indeed your mirror is history, those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it....
peace

"Name-calling"? Please clarify. I hope you don't mean when I called you a "sheeple". Now *that* would be juicy irony.

Note that calling someone an adjective is not "name-calling", for names are nouns. You called me a "kool-aid drinker" (how original); *that* is name-calling. "Paranoid" and "short-sighted" are not names.

"'common since', get some."

Not quite sure what "common since" is, but I'm sure my reservoir of common sense will do me just fine.

"those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it"

Well, gee, thanks for telling me that. I've never heard THAT before. Better register a trademark for that fine bit of wisdom right away!

got ya corn-fused with one of the other sheep....meh- ok, so you think I'm stupid, I think less than much of You. You will not buy guns, I will buy more guns and ammo..... cool, can we be done now?

...and who do you plan to shoot with these guns?

Absolutely NO ONE EVER! I handle guns with the utmost respect and care. I have made it 38 years growing up in the inner city around dangerous gangs (both 'sides' of the failed drug war) and have never killed anyone. I have studied a few different forms of martial arts and have never been in a fight in my adult life. I fully plan on living out my life in peace and I pray I will die in peace without ever having to take a life. I would only take a life to protect my own or a loved one's life.

Why have so many guns if you don't plan to shoot anyone?

"A deterrent", you proudly proclaim.

A deterrent? Against a tyrannical government? You really think the fact that you have guns is going to make a "fascist government" leave you alone? Al Qaeda and the Taliban had guns; that didn't stop the US government from sending in troops to go kill them.

Having a gun and not shooting it is not going to save you from a tyrannical government. Neither will having a gun AND shooting it. How many American soldiers would you expect to kill before the "fascist" American government decides to leave you alone? You really think your handguns are going to protect you from a national military?

I understand the appeal of this romanticized fantasy, but fantasy is all it will ever be.

I suggest a study subject for my liberal friends on the situation in Denmark. Denmark elected a liberal gov't. in 1929, which then implemented the most liberal immigration and social benefits program in all of Europe. Now about 5% of the immigrated Muslim population sucks 40% of the tax revenues, while threatening the stability of the Nation, refusing to honor the laws and intimidating gov't. officials that have tried to reign in the most liberal policies since a conservative gov't. was elected in the 2000's. This is a blueprint for America, as a result of liberal policies, if some degree of common sense is not exercised.

Calm' I get it you feel there is no point in standing up for what many of us see as our rights and duty. I was talking to a very nice man that is also a FBI agent today and he is VERY much for our right to keep and bear arms. If you are not that is cool. Peace OUT!

@calm_incense watch a samurai movie, this will make more sense.
Some say freedom is only possible while living, because if your dead you cant do what you wanted to. Others would disagree, stating freedom is the choice to avoid things forced upon us.
opinions are fun

I've watched Seven Samurai, and I fail to see how it is at all relevant to any of this.

Please elucidate, oh enlightened One.

It was mostly a joke but i think i can answer this:

Why have so many guns if you don't plan to shoot anyone?

To better understand death is to know life.
Therefore, to better understand life is to know death.
Without Life there is no Death. Without Death there is no Life.

I'll Stop being a dick now, Japan went through alot of the same philosophical problems with swords. (NanChoku, or "nun-Chucks" are a physical reaction). I believe it was the Magi era or around there.

?????

I suppose sarcasm is lost upon the blog-o-sphere. Coupled with a historical reference about the Military Industrial Complex and whoosh... a goner.

its ok man i lol'd

I got it. I laughed. you'll get atleast one confused response everytime sarcasm is used in text.

yeah... and no one sleeps either because everyone has neurotic dogs that bark at a falling leaf for 1/2 an hour at 3:45am on a daily basis

Bwahahahahahaa

I'm curious how fast that guy Cheney shot ran. :)

Trust me when you get shot; you can run very fast!

The guy Cheney shot did not run. Of course he was not a liberal!

Is this a liberal attempt to insult me? A thin skin and low intellect is a poor weapon to bring to Current.

CalPerr isn't a liberal.

LOL at two clueless conservatives duking it out with each other.

@moonloon im not a liberal and that was not an attempt to insult you. It is statement of fact. You are a hole from which phesis errupts. I wasn't hurt by your attack on labels and names with cartoonish stories but your reduction of a world wide isssue into a two option spectrum.

@calm_incense OKAY fuck head im not a conservative and im not clueless.

I pointed out the ridiculousness and absurdity of a story about shooting a cheetah(and a liberal?) on a thread about sales charts.

And if you want to label me I prefer libertarian, not that it matters.

Libertarians ARE conservatives.

calm_incense,

No, neither (L)ibertarians nor (l)ibertarians are conservatives. Libertarians are Libertarians and Conservatives are Conservatives. True Libertarians had a great deal in common with true Conservatives, but they are not the same.

I hope you take the time to educate yourself on the difference between the two.

Libertarians absolutely ARE conservatives. Just because modern-day neo-conservatives aren't conservatives doesn't mean actual conservatives aren't conservatives. And libertarians are actual conservatives.

In other words, Ron Paul is a hell of a lot more conservative than Dick Cheney. And as much as you'd like to think otherwise, neo-conservatives have recently been riding the wave of libertarianism, thus blurring the distinction between the two.

calm_incense,

If you want to continue to look ignorant claiming libertarians and conservatives are the same then be my guest. Libertarians are not even close to conservatives.

If you want to actually educate yourself on the philosophy here is a great introduction to libertarianism: http://www.amazon.com/Great-Libertarian-Offer-Harry-Browne/dp/0965603695/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252641412&sr=8-14

Then you can make your way to reading some Rand, Hayek, Friedman, Locke, etc. Like I said, take some time to educate yourself so you don't continue to make yourself look foolish for speaking on something you are clearly clueless about.

I already know what libertarianism is. I've read Hazlitt; I've read Bastiat; I've read Rand; yada yada yada. Maybe if you weren't so pretentious, you'd recognize the sense in what I'm saying, but alas, you're too stuck on trying to make a point. The fact is, libertarianism is a school of conservatism; you can pretentiously insist otherwise like the elitist you are, but that doesn't change the facts.

Are you saying Ronald Reagan didn't know what libertarianism is?

"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."
- Ronald Regan

Yes, I'm saying Reagan didn't know what libertarianism is. The two are closely related; they are not one in the same. Knowing this basic fact does not make me an elitist. It just makes me educated on what libertarianism is.

Once again, libertarianism is not a school of conservatism. Libertarianism is a philosophy of its own.

moonloon, although I wasn't thrilled with the silly analogy (i didn't think it was dumb or anything just didn't like it much), I am grateful for the post.

reading the arguments between calm_incense and libertyforall was great comic relief.

Dont think so Its not the guns!! its the idiots who want to blame it on the gun.

Complain to your Congressman!

oh come one its not the guns and if it wasnt for us, Hilter Jr. would be our prez.

MoonLoon:I have complained. Make sure to use proper grammar next time, you should of added "if you haven't already" to the end of your reply to make yourself not sound so assuming.

kman: You can't use our actions in WW2 to defend every wrong we do around the world, even some of our actions near the end of WW2 were questionable. "It's not the guns." ??? Well, if I understand your pathetic grammar, you're are using "guns" as my word for "death," and to that I would have to say you're wrong. Guns are not the only death we've dealt but it is part of it.

newamerica, speaking of grammar, it's "should have" not "should of".
and kman's substitution of "guns" for your word "death" is NOT a grammatical mistake.

your posts made no sense anyway so other than taking you down a knotch, it's not woth comment on

I'm a tree hugging, pot smoking, public health care-promoting, desegregation supporter, womens rights supporter, pro choice, affirmative action supporting, sex education promoting, college educated independent. Well, I don't support affirmative action. And I'm a gun enthusiast.

Are you trying to relay your message to a specific group, or just people who believe the right to bear arms is a true right?

OMG if I hear about the fucking right to bear arms again I am going to puke! There aren't any States that need a militia to protect themselves. The Second Amendment is sooooooooooooooo dated. I doubt it had anything to do with HOBBIES! Sorry about your precious guns but they need to go. Innocent lives are being lost because of guns. I know I'm wasting my time even commenting but will anyway.

I'm directing that message to those who think that they are going to intimidate with the threat of guns congressmen and women, private citizens at town hall meetings. Those backward thinking dullards who equate masculinity with gun ownership, those who think that any aggressive nation that would entertain ideas of attacking America are dissuaded by a bunch of rednecks running around in the backwoods with shotguns, and various other weapons, rather than M.I.R.V. nuclear tipped ICBM missiles....if you are one of those then the message was directed at you.

I smoke pot. I am in favor of saving the enviroment. I smoke pot. I am for prochoice. I smoke pot. I am for womens rights. I smoke pot. I am for desegregation. I smoke pot. I am for health care reform of some type. I smoke pot. I am for sex ed in school. I smoke pot A LOT. I am however not in favor of affimative action. I think the best man should get the job and skin color should have nothing to do with it.
Oh And I support the right to keep and bear arms without any government interferance.

"tyr", the "days of yore" refer to Jolly Olde England and Robin Hood, guns were not widely in use then! and the Nobles consigned weapons only to themselves, thus resigning the lower classes to enforced servitude! A condition most Americans are not willing to submit to.

hollyMiamiFla,

Unfortunately, you appear to be another ignorant anti-gun loon who has not read a single history book in their life. The Founding Fathers put that in there for a reason. There is no expiration date on the Amendment. If you want to change it, there is a process to do so. I suggest you lobby your Congressmen to propose an amendment. Good luck with that.

Now, you may continue your anti-gun loon ways while making yourself to be the ignorant person we all know you are now.

moon you seem to have misread history, Robin Hood and his band of merry men were experts with sword and bow...they went about relieving the rich of their ill gotten gains and "redistributed the wealth" among the poor.
Seems Robin was a very liberal guy eh?

Robin and the m/m were fantasy

Tyr, such ignorance cannot go unchallenged.

We who proclaim our RIGHTS to gun ownership are NOT Nazis, in name or deed, nor even as allegorical reference.

To the contrary, we are more like the citizens who responded to the tyranny of those fascist regimes by forming armed resistance.

YES, the resistance that is now seen as a nearly futile but heroic effort to undermine the fascists.

And if you will allow me to continue the allegory, you who complain are like the collaborators, those in France who refused to fight the Germans and instead sold out their Jewish neighbors to the fascists, sent them by train to their extermination. Those who provided lists of "suspected resistors".

We hope to be able to restore the constitution, not subvert it. We hope to ensure YOUR liberty as well as ours, not steal it from you. And we hope to do this peacefully, not through arms. But unlike some, we are willing to defend ourselves if necessary.

So why does America need guns? Do you walk down the street in constant fear for your life? Is there a foreign invader occupying our home soil? No i sincerely doubt you do. So why do you need weapons?

Oh thats right you need them out of FEAR. Fear of your fellow man and neighbors. Fear of the Federal government trying to take away your rights and property. Fear of some unnamed foreign adversary. Stop living in FEAR! Live your life without worrying about the what ifs. And for gods sake stop watching the 24 hour news stations. They ALL suck! Everything is sensationalized and played only if they think it will draw in viewers. And guess what? Fear and death SELLS!

WOW!!!
That should be a song,first of all.
It's so mind-boggling; it makes you think.
Are you being self descriptive or are you trying to sum up Middle America as a whole?
Anyways...I think that this is really disturbing in a slight way because all of it's true.

fun_size

I have guns because it is my Constitutional right to own guns. Will I ever need to use the gun to protect myself from a tyrant or for self-defense? Probably not. But in case the need does arise, I will be prepared for the occasion.

You prefer to be a victim. There is nothing wrong with that. That is your right as an American.

Of course, "kstein:, the Democrats cannot expect us to make decisions based on intelligence and education. That would be contrary to their agenda!

And they promote aids and slavery and jews

(what were u saying about a hate machine?)

not sure where you live but the biggest city in my state, Milwaukee, the Mayor just went to the capital about gun control, and although the majority of the guns used in this cities crimes were not legal, the residents of Milwaukee have reached a tipping point from responsible gun ownership to "kill the mother------s for no reason at all" Its like a war zone, and a few weeks ago the mayor got "beat down" for helping a women with a baby. Not everyone should have a gun, not everyone see a gun as a responsibility, but a rise to power ie: violence, unjust killings,
On the otherhand my community has the largest highschool trap shooting team in the area, our redneck boys and girls know how and when and why to tot a gun, and 10year olds now have their God given right to carry a rifle with mom and dad, and there hasnt been any murders as far back as I can remember.

God only knows what we are strapped with! I hope that it is only a gun!

maybe it was britain about a year ago, but something happened in the united states in the last year. haven't you heard? a black man is president. sad, but true. not that he is president, but that him being president would cause this type of reaction in reality.

Typical. Playin't the race card- again. I'm sick of it. Obama has made no secret of his dislike for the 2nd amendment. He prefers a disarmed population. NOW you know the reason Obama is such a great salesman for the gun industry.

BTW, gun ownership is ILLEGAL in Great Britain!

Ajiil,

It seems you are not only ignorant in your playing of the race card, but also ignorant of the true intentions from the Obama administration.

Obama had constantly spoke of his disdain for guns. Illinois has some of the worst anti-gun laws in the country. Rahm Emanuel and Eric Holder have both spoke of their disdain for guns. Another Illinois Congressman introduced a new Brady Bill this year.

The Obama admin despises guns. They just can't find a proper way to go about banning them. Why do you think they kept lying about US guns making their way into Mexico? Why do you think he was talking about passing a bill to put serial numbers on all bullets? Why do you think Emanuel wanted to deny millions of innocent Americans the ability to own weapons?

Not being informed on an issue is an excuse. Being ignorant is not.

I forgot to mention that the U.K was selling military arms outside of their little cowardly, liberal/socialist infested country! Of course they do not want arms in their own country, someone might shoot a rabbit for dinner, for heavens sake!

liberty,
Not being informed and being ignorant are the same thing, given the definition of ignorant is 'lacking knowledge'. Next time, learn your vocabulary before trying to put someone in their place. And Ajil, re-explore cause and effect before you throw the race card out there.

@libertyforall,

out of curiosity, why are SN on bullets a bad thing?

I think it's wasteful, personally... as I imagine criminals (at least the good ones), would simply file SN's off or something. Thus rendering SN's just a process to increase cost of bullets. I'm curious to hear why SN's are a good thing or bad thing.

Chheang,

Like you said, it is a way to increase the cost of bullets. The bill also stopped people from doing their own reloading.

It could also be used as a way to track every single person who buys a box of ammo though. You buy a box of ammo with certain serial numbers and that goes into a database.

hehe.. i dont think obama's race is the prime cause for the spike in arms sales in the US. the intent was to jab at the racist that have gone out because the black president wants to take their guns. I know of Obama's aim to disarm the world. He is also seeking to rid the world of nuclear weapons, yet i believe Obama to be wise enough to tackle these issues during his second term.

hehe..

China?

actually most of all you listed are all made here in the great old US of A. would you like the exacts states and locations of these manufacturers?

i will do so if you request it, but only when i log back into current. in the mean time, you can do so yourself, if your not too busy to look up some facts.

Yep. All made in the USA. They are made by companies you've never even heard of! Many of the items come from sheltered workshops- blind or physically disabled. You won't find any "name brand" companies supplying the US military.

dude guns are nice and all, but i'll stick to a bottle of rum and some fire

If I have to spend one more week on current, replying to idiots, you have my permission to kill me!

MoonLoon, you've just signed your death warrant! (unless you take a long sabbatical... and you may have to, to maintain your sanity)

I said this in an earlier response, but just in case you didn't see it, I'll say it again. I own a firearm and know how to use it safely. However, the idea that I need an automatic weapon to protect me from a government takeover is ridiculous in several aspects: Our government possesses weapons (which we have purchased for them) which can overwhelm any private gun owner. How many rifle-wielding bozos do you think a Predator drone could vaporize, while its operator sits in an air-conditioned room, far from the battlefield? How many "patriots," their faces blackened for dramatic effect, can be killed by one well-placed mortar shot? And how would any private citizen, armed as the Constitution stipulates, hide from infrared sensors which can pinpoint the location of a mouse in a cornfield?

The entire mythology of an individually-armed populace standing up against tyranny is and has been a load of manure since the 1960s, which is when the military-industrial complex consolidated its hold on the Congress. That is why I love to make fun of anyone who comes to the public square, tears streaming down his or her face, blabbing about the right to bear arms. That's like trying to protect the right to bear spitwads, given the level of sophisticated weaponry we have handed over to our private military contractors.

If you honestly cared about liberty, you would stop buying the load of drivel spewed out by the aggressive and conscienceless predators who have convinced you that America needs to be a fortress, instead of a nation. A true nation exists only because its people band together, shoulder to shoulder, to face challenges, not because cowards in denial use cheap firearms to give themselves a false sense of security.

Progresshiv,

WHether or not you think I need an automatic rifle is irrelevant. It is my Constitutional right to own an automatic rifle and the Supreme Court agreed in DC v Heller.

You are also delusional if you think all the military would side with a tyrannical government. You are also delusional if you think a well equipped unconventional force couldn't fight a much stronger military force. I guess we haven't seen this in Iraq or Afghanistan have we?

Besides the fact that the military would never be unified agianst there own families, guerrillas would have access to alot of crazy ass technology too.

I've got an M44 also. In fact, I use it for hunting. I was out shooting it just yesterday, to misquote a rap song: "I love the guns, the guns that go BOOM!"

to progresshiv, in case you were responding to unclecharlies, the M44 is a bolt action rifle. NOT an "automatic rifle".

Automatic rifles are illegal except for folks with a very specific license that is very difficult to come by.

We do have a right to own guns for our own protection and I think it's rather amusing to hear liberals on the one hand say that no government can oppress an armed populace that is determined to gain its freedom (and cite Afghanistan, Viet Nam, etc), and yet turn around and claim that if the US populace were to rise up, they'd just be "vaporized".

So which is it?

I personally subscribe to the oft-quoted Patrick Henry who said:
"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! "

I'd rather die fighting to keep my family and country free than to lick the hands of our government oppressors.

I guess maybe some on this board are into submission and humiliation. I, for one, am not.

Try throwing a bullet and see how many people you can kill?

..try shooting an unloaded gun at a person and see how many people you can kill

Your just sooooo funny, not!

you're an idiot for saying that.

"Holly", which idiot are you addressing?

So many idiots; so little time.

Yes, P.G. I feel the same way. It is a burden no man should bear. Tolerating the same fools that led Nazi's and Stalinist's to murdering millions of people, while espousing non-violence and prohibition of private ownership of firearms. It is an affront to humanity and an insult to the democratic system. Thanks for your support!

"Tolerating the same fools that led Nazi's and Stalinist's to murdering millions of people, while espousing non-violence and prohibition of private ownership of firearms"

Point- The fools that led to murdering millions under the Nazis and Stalin were Stalin and the Nazis, not people who oppose the private ownership of automatic weapons.

I own a firearm and know how to use it safely. However, the idea that I need an automatic weapon to protect me from a government takeover is ridiculous in several aspects: Our government possesses weapons (which we have purchased for them) which can overwhelm any private gun owner. How many rifle-wielding bozos do you think a Predator drone could vaporize, while its operator sits in an air-conditioned room, far from the battlefield? How many "patriots," their faces blackened for dramatic effect, can be killed by one well-placed mortar shot? And how would any private citizen, armed as the Constitution stipulates, hide from infrared sensors which can pinpoint the location of a mouse in a cornfield?

The entire mythology of an individually-armed populace standing up against tyranny is and has been a load of manure since the 1960s, which is when the military-industrial complex consolidated its hold on the Congress. That is why I love to make fun of anyone who comes to the public square, tears streaming down his or her face, blabbing about the right to bear arms. That's like trying to protect the right to bear spitwads, given the level of sophisticated weaponry we have handed over to our private military contractors.

If you honestly cared about liberty, you would stop buying the load of drivel spewed out by the aggressive and conscienceless predators who have convinced you that America needs to be a fortress, instead of a nation. A true nation exists only because its people band together, shoulder to shoulder, to face challenges, not because cowards in denial use cheap firearms to give themselves a false sense of security.

holey crap!!! nicely put!

yea so we need snipers & hackers

Are you sure we wouldn't be just as safe with Hypers and Snackers? No, wait- that's what we have now.

"The entire mythology of an individually-armed populace standing up against tyranny is and has been a load of manure since the 1960s, which is when the military-industrial complex consolidated its hold on the Congress."

Tell that to the Viet Cong! And the Afghans who kicked the Soviets out (and it's yet to be seen what happens to us there!). And the Insurgents in Iraq. Why don't they just lie down?

@curtisreed

And when was the last time a we actually fought a war on our home soil(excluding the Japanese invasion of alaska in ww2)? I believe it would be the war of 1812. Honestly our military is strong enough that we dont need to have a well armed populace... that is unless you're one of the people who are afraid of our own military trying to take control.

Fun' we are at war on our soil! It may be a more subtle war fought with propaganda combined with a dumbed down populace but the fact remains we in the USA have the largest prison population in the world, 70% of which is African American. We have a private prison industry whom trades their stock on wall street with profit based on how many prisoners are in prison? This is fed by another for profit company called the military industrial complex which includes police and groups such as Blackwater.
The Constitution demands that our military never be used on USA land and that We The People keep a well regulated militia. It is our duty as Americans to own guns and make sure the government knows we will remove them by force if we feel our natural rights are being infringed.

There is one fly in the ointment. As the Federal Gov't. learned at the onset of the Civil War. Not all military personnel will blindly accept orders to attack fellow Americans. Of course the Yankees can always import cannon fodder from other countries, as they did in the 1860's. There have been several loudmouth's posting comments about the military overwhelming any type of citizen revolt, I suggest that they remember what is the composition of our military forces and would they kill their fellow citizens on command? Not to mention the polarization of voters which could unseat the incumbent politicians that would have led the Nation to such an impasse.

An Army can de defeated in spirit before it ever assembles. The nation is defined by what it does.

Bullets kill people but guns controll people.

2 weeks or so if you aren't a felon I think..

A hand gun yes but a shotgun or rifle you should be able to walk in and buy and take home right away.

none yet but its on the table

Thankfully, the NRA is getting in the way..

thankfully nothin.

That is a great point. We sell to our enemies, while the gov't. watches! I will bet that Dems/Reps all benefited from donations from arms suppliers!

we have enemies?? who were? lol

yeah and gun owners dont kill people here in America