6-year-old with weapon suspended for 45 days
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http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/12/six-year-old-sent-to.html
Zachary Christie is a six-year old student in Newark, Delaware who is facing 45 days in reform school because he brought his new Cub Scout eating utensil to school for lunch. The utensil includes a knife, and this violates the school's brainlessly, robotically enforced zero-tolerance policy on "weapons on school property."-
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LadybugLady [removed]
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This is going wayyyyy overboard,he is only 6 years old. He is still a baby in my eyes. suspention is rediculas.
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MotherForTruth
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I hope this story is not about popularity but to bring ridiculous regulations to an end.
Our children deserve to have a childhood, Our children need our protection but not hysteria, fear, and distrust.
Our boys should be allowed to grow up as confident men and not confused, frustrated, and fearful. - 4 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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lizheir
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Meredith Viera interviewed the little boy along with his parents this AM about the incident. All he wanted to do was eat his lunch, and he really did not know until he got called to the principles office and saw his mom, that he was in any kind of trouble. He is being home schooled now and it seems to me the story has gotten quite popular!
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lizheir
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samthesixth
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lizheir:
Home schooling rules!
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samthesixth
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lizheir:
so does time away from kids.
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good_stuff
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Clearly this is the left wing media's fault for demonizing the boy scouts since they don't like homos.
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good_stuff
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good_stuff:
I'd teach my kid how a pencil makes a good covert shank.
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JollyGoodFelon
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J_Jammer [removed]
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good_stuff:
Lead poisoning the cool way.
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Mackenzie_Sheppard
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I'm so glad I'm not American.
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bmrabbit
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How do you even respond to something like this? Yes, young children are committing adult crimes more and more...a problem I place directly in the lap of lack of proper parentage and lack of common sense in our society. Common sense having been replaced by misinformation, fear, and the incessant race to be "the first in line" that seems to pervade our "me" society now. The parents should have checked his backpack knowing the rules of the school and their no tolerance for weapons and the resulting punishment for breaking those rules. Instead, the poor kid, who doesn't even understand what's happening is made the focus of a big investigation, headline news, and blamed for carrying a "dangerous weapon" when all he wanted to do was show how proud he was to be a part of a tradition of scouting that used to be recognized as a leading organization in teaching young men the values and skills of growing up in society and how to become good citizens. By the way, why are they not weighing in on this case? Their logo is in plain view. So to some parents I say, quit blaming your kids, especially six year old's, for such heinous crimes and assume responsibility for your own inaction in not doing your job and leaving it to others to do.
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Paratus
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Yet another reason why government run institutions are a failure in both common sense and results.
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It should have been confiscated and given to his parents, then have his parents tell him it's not right to take a knife into school. Hardly worth a 45 day suspension.
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Cheesus505
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ecola
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Cheesus505:
thank you,
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ecola
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samthesixth
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Cheesus505:
He's six years old, take away his cheerios for a few days.
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ecola
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they called the LAUSD school police on my 6 year old son without my knowledge or consent. Luckily my instinct to go to the school due to their lack of paying attention in returning parents call were neglected. I walk in to their office and found my self in a room with the VP of the school with the school police sitting in her office, as I was invited to her office, right behind me was my 6 year old son. I was in shock! i felt that was a violation of my sons right, but the school said that it was a school policy to call the school police without the parents consent. It's all due to a little boy getting bullied by bigger boys and out of anger my son said to the other child that he was going to shoot him with a gun. I didn't mind if we were consulted first. I was the VP for the school site council and run the book drive charity for the school and very active parent. Isn't it the law that you cannot interigate a minor without any parents consent? why is it a different law in our school system? What the heck is going on? are we going to be picking up our children in jail without our consent at starting age of 6?
Our school system is all screwed up!
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ecola
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ecola:
I agree the regulations must be reviewed and changed. It appears that we have a fast track to prison system. The old saying carrot and stick teaching has now became no carrot just a stick teaching.
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MotherForTruth
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ecola:
check out hslda.org and join the ranks!
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samthesixth
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spanky07
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you cant even eat in the school lunchroom anymore
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sporky420
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poor kid. he was just trying to eat his lunch.
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EdJoyProductions
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Zach is six years old and knows the rule is wrong. Impressive. I was starting to worry about our future leaders. This boy has potential.
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The Boy scouts are supposed to enlist upstanding troop leaders as idols and teach our boys survival, common sense and integrity, ethics and honor. Now I suggest that all teachers and school officials be sentenced to one year with a Boy scout troop to learn the code, discipline and the motto of the Boy scouts and what it means to be a boy scout and an American.
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JollyGoodFelon
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I remember the plastic dumb rubberized scissors for common retards. I never used them of course. There are plenty of weapons in school. You could staple somebody, sharpen them, or beat them with a swing chain.
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JollyGoodFelon
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This is so wrong!!!
He's six years old! He prolly just wanted to show off his new toy to his buds, and to be taking out of school for 45 days is too much. I thought we wanted kids to stay in school? Not to kick them out? this is mest up on so many levels.
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lizheir
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What is reform school? and how do you go there for 45 days out of the school year. You miss the momentum of learning; messing up learning at any age. This is not constructive!
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lizheir
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He see probably on the news these wakos carrying guns in public and just thought it would be fine. To put this little boy in any reform school is just plain wrong. You will really F him up if they do this. It's a dam boyscout eating tool. My boys had them when they were little.
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LadybugLady:
@LadyBugLady,
Again, your disdain for law abiding citizens is somewhat confusing.
Yeah, I'm sure the kid looked at those citizens who were legally carrying weapons and said I'll take my knife to school.
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libertyforall
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the kid is 6 years old he doesnt know any better. i stand in the middle on the zero tolerance policy, but there needs to be some give and pull. 45 days of reform school is a little extreme. what i would do is talk with the den master and have him give a speech to the cub scouts about not bringing them to school. that seems easyer. plus, it would prevent the other cub scouts from bring their "eating utensils" to school also. not using a kingergardner as an example to everyone else.
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al82fl
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wmorrison13
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Old American rule- take the thing away and spank the kidd.
New American rule- deny education for several weeks for something legally considered hazardous.
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wmorrison13
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RojoGatto
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BULLSHIT.
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libertyforall
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This proves a couple of things:
1. This is why government needs to get out of the education business. Private institutions with common sense rules.
2. Jersey is still an awful state
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These zero tolerance rules were designed so that rules would be applied fairly and equally.
However, all they seem to do is remove peoples ability to think. People allowed fear to let them make stupid rules that must be mindlessly followed.
Before you know it pencils won't be allowed since they're sharp.
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Boy Scouts of America has very specific rules for the proper use of pocket knives. Tiger Cubs (1st graders) are never permitted to use or carry pocket knives. All other cub scouts may only carry a pocket knife during appropriate events designated by adult leaders. Every "whittlin chip" class I have ever witnessed or taught includes a strict admonition that knives should never be taken to school.
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What ever happened to intent and reputation before expulsion? The teacher should have taken it away and had the parents pick up the child and item and explained that it wasn't o.k to have this. If he did it again then suspension. Not listening to the rules after FAIR warning, expulsion is then in order.
Acting like he is a young terrorist or something of that nature is completely jumping the gun.
What a waste of energy. Focus on the kids that are actually causing trouble. - 4 months ago
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I got in trouble for this exact thing when i was in 7th grade. i only got suspended for 2 weeks though. The 'hobo knife' i had was way more harmless then the one shown too, its bull
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Why that little outlaw should be beaten with a Razer strap. then put in jail why that little so and so is a menice to the public. Ha just tell the mom and dad to keep a closer eye on there son. Thats all that needs to be done. Lets use our brain for somthing besides a rattle to make noise.
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bailey78
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2helenahandbasket
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This is just another example of liberal overkill.
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JollyGoodFelon
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2helenahandbasket:
I thought it was bush that started all this "homeland security" stuff.. when will folks snap out of this either/ or mentality? As if there is any difference between them.
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Finally, they caught him !!! Thank goodness this was before this kid grows up, becomes a soldier, and shoots his weapon before he does a full blown analysis in determining if there will be any civilian casualties, while watching his fellow soliders die from an IED.
It only takes a single event today to put the whole country on lock down.
We used to be a land of laws. Today we're just a land of lawyers. Just look at Congress. Wake up folks. Look at history, America has already plateaued, we're on the way down. This type of idiocy must end or we'll never recover......
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@ 2muchinfo: "I got robbed in Newark by a 5 year old (the leader) and his 6 year old friends. Guess what the weapon they used on me?"
Who cares what weapon they used on you? If a 5 year old tried to rob me I'd whip his little ass and send him home to his mama. Surely you can figure out how to outwit a 5 year old.
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2helenahandbasket:
Perhaps he is not smarter than a five year old?
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I have never even heard of a 6 year old being suspended. I didn't even know you could suspend a 6 year old. Maybe a referral (or a pink slip as they were called at my elementary school), but this is just ludicrous.
45 day suspension for a CUB SCOUT pocket knife... When, correct me if I am wrong, the kids from the "school bus beating" only got suspended for like 3 weeks or something, if I remember correctly.
Makes perfect sense.
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good work on kickin that thug-scout out of recess
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JollyGoodFelon
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6 year old terrorists. This terror is out of control. I hate fear driven idiots like the USA is chock full of. The nanny imperialistic police state. It smells funny.
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JollyGoodFelon:
Yea that it ! train them to hate the goverment while they are still young.
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bailey78
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The school was right to ban the cute cub scout knife, it should not be in school.
It would be wrong to send the kid to reform school, and I doubt very seriously that will happen. He will more than likely be in school the next day.
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Part of me thinks that the school is run by robots who can't reason. But the other half of me thinks that the Club Scouts staff are idiots for giving a 6 years old a set of "utensils" that have a knife in it! Club Scouts staff know that kids shouldn't be given a knife at all, doesn't matter if its eating utensils or not.
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HXL:
Part of me thinks our government is run by robots who can't reason. But the other half of me is amazed that people are allowing it.
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45 days. That's about 7 tests per class. That's about 1/2 of her semester's worth of work. So that would take an A student down to what, a C?
Over a fork?
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STAY IN SCHOOL.....
.....until we make up a reason to suspend you!
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larrysnotes
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He was gonna kill every.... what? ......... Sorrry !!! This six year old was no danger to................
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hunzedog
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or was it one of these ?
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hunzedog
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C.A.S.E. = CUT ASS SO EASILY. i wonder if thats really what he had.?
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Valence
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Zero tolerance = Zero tolerance, i would do the same thing, even to a 1 year old.
When you allow 1 problem to go unfix a bunch pops up, no it was the kids fault because his parents should have obviously said something and the 45 days to reform is bit too much, a week or 2 week or suspension would be good but still the school had to uphold to their responsibility by suspending him, not like hes going to miss anything important.
Another thing it is not the school to be blame, ir is parents fault,parent should have told the child he couldn't bring a damn knife to school, stop blaming the school.
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Valence:
Right, which is why back in the 70s we had such a problem in rural communities with kids going hunting before school, and driving to school with a shotgun in the window of a truck, then shooting the school up. Please. Do you people seriously not see the trends here? SOMEHOW, as gun control has tightened to gestapo-like stringency, there is more crime and violence than ever. Any idea why that is??
Teaching kids that all weapons are automatically going to result in death or pain is what makes our country so ill-informed on how to properly handle them. This bullshit needs to stop.
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Valence:
no one is perfect, sometimes parents do forget, but we do have sense to teach our children what is right and wrong, our children is the reflection of us. But yet the school should have the parents involve before making any harsh decision on a 6 year minor. They're just cold hearted people.
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Valence:
He's six year old dude. If you want to punish him take away his crayons but don't send him away for 45 days.
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The school needs to react uniformly and quickly when students bring weapons to school. Whether it be a cub scout utility knife or a box cutter, a blade is a blade. The student should be punished for bringing this to school, but a reform school is nothing but a waste of money for the state.
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wehearthawkins:
the boy was not flashing, it was his scout utensil, for sure he was taught with sense on how to use it. He was a scout, a mini me army? they should have evaluated the whole situation and teach awareness to the child on how he is not allowed to bring the knife/utensils to school and have his parents involve with the matter, simple things,less stress support our family.
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ecola
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Its still a knife! And kids will be kids, if your daughter or son came home from school and said that a student in the class was flashing a knife around at lunch, or anytime during school yes, I would be upset!
Is Newark Delaware dangerous?
On the other hand, little Zach is a kid and reform school is harsh and not helping anyone; classmates, teachers, or parents.
I would arm all the kids with knives, forks, and spoons (plastic of course) and teach them how to "properly" use these utensils for eating. A long lost art in etiquette! Boy scouts can teach the rest. - 4 months ago
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wat can u truelly say today about your kids?
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Remyra_Johnson:
do you have any children?, if not I suggest you have one then you will understand where this is going? he's only six years old, We as an adult done worst thing than what a 6 years old or any child will do, we are more responsible. How is your childhood?
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Nettle
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Betcha the kid liked a month and a half off from school. I know I would...
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kevcheetham:
Are you serious? It's a six year old kid for crying out loud. Do you know what 45 days of alternative school can do to a kid that age? You try being separated from all of your friends for seven school weeks at that age!
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kevcheetham:
Yea, Newark has a really bad problem with 6 year olds stabbing people with their club scouts eating utensils during lunch.
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kevcheetham:
I got robbed in Newark by a 5 year old (the leader) and his 6 year old friends. Guess what the weapon they used on me?
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kevcheetham:
seriously 2muchinfo?
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kevcheetham:
Speaker you argument as to why the 45 days is ban is total bullshit, the kid can more than likely hang with his friends after school.
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kevcheetham:
You realize they're talking about Newark, DE not Newark, NJ....
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kevcheetham:
with comments like that you should be suspended from current for 45 days.
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IMMININT
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kevcheetham:
Unfortunately schools across the country have adopted this policy. This is not isolated instance. A friend of mine child needed a special permission from principal to bring a cardboard replica of sword for a school play. Our country became a cardboard replica of free, democratic, and advanced leader of human rights. Where is my America?
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MotherForTruth
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dsidney
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Man, that is one stupid school. I got suspended 10 days for drinking at states, after we won! I was 17. This 6 years old kid brings his Club Scouts eating utensil thing for lunch and gets suspended for 45 days because it has a knife? That school is run by idiots.
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cyanide7
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gah dang! what the hell man?
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tommytripper
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home of the brave.... NOPE
land of the Free... NOPEcommon sense... dead....
where did america go?
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CalgarC
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wtf. american schools keep getting worse
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fuscia
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the little bastard brought a sharpened pencil to school, too. he's up to no good, i tell ya!!!
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Might as well pull him out of school. Home schooling is better than any public school these days. Heck, watching TV is better than public school.
More $ 4 War = None 4 The Poor!
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This is a prime example of how laws must have interpretive gray areas.
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edbr:
I agree, this really shows that zero tolerance doesn't leave room for kids to learn the way humans learn best, through trial and error. If they are no longer allowed to make mistakes, then we are being too hard on them and they will not learn anything.
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MotherForTruth
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What happen to boys playing war? Should boys play with dolls and other girls’ toys so adults will not be fearful? The boys are not allowed to be boys.
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MotherForTruth:
I would personally be more afraid if the boys WERE playing with dolls...
Sent to alternative school for having a toy, what kind of bullcrap policy is this anyway?
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MotherForTruth:
Yeah, because obviously any toy that isn't a knife is a "girl toy".
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MotherForTruth:
what a sad commentary when one fondly recalls boys playing war
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MotherForTruth:
One of my professors in grad school doubled as a Womens Studies Professor. She and her husband had twins implanted, a boy and a girl. She gave her girl tools to play with. One day she walked in and her daughter was playing dolls with the screwdrivers. One was the mommy and one the daddy.
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MotherForTruth:
No, MFT, today's boys have to act like little girls, don't you know? People like Uni insist that the genders act the same....
I think samthesixth has it right. Boys are warriors. Always have been and always will be.
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MotherForTruth:
Thank you 2helenahandbasket, my point exactly.
This little boy is a proud Cub Scout. No wonder children are really confused and depression on a rise. The message sent to this child is that adults do not trust him because he is a boy and a proud Cub Scout? In fact no children are trusted at school especially boys?!? What a horrible message to send our children. I think there is nothing wrong with boys in our society in fact the adults are the problem. - 4 months ago
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MotherForTruth:
unimatrix0, not all boys will grow up to be violent abusers and not all girls will grow up to kill their children. It’s wrong to force boys act more like girls!
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MotherForTruth
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royulery
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ism wins when we fear our children.
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Meh, I put my swiss army knife in my backpack for a hike when I was in the 5th grade and forgot to take it out before I went to school the following day.
I told my teacher what happened when I realized it and she just took the knife away until the end of school day. No fuss, no mess, and I didn't do it again. Someone should have just taken the knife away from the child and explained that he can't have that kind of stuff in school.
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Sad when you have to set an example with a 6 year old with a new 'toy'....
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masterzip
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zero tolerance = zero common sense
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masterzip
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lj111
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where is this country going!!!!!!!
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samthesixth
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This school district is run by idiots. Obviously he wasn't trying to violate any zero tolerance policies.
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