Reid Takes Risk Pushing Public Insurance Plan

Hey thematrix777 if u think reid is bad check the history's max baucus,michelle easton and
elizabeth fowler.These 3 are running amuck w/our hlthc options. Easton & fowler current
& former employees of Wellpoint Inc. respectively. Wellpoint inc. is the country's largest
insurer. Max baucus is finance comm. chair easton used to work for max but left to work for wellpoint. In exchange fowler left wellpoint to work finance comm. advising max. They
all get very substantial some of money to lobby against the public-option. Easton has done
yeomans work on medicare part D prescription plan the restricts us from getting low cost
drugs outside u.s. and tying the hands of the us gov to retaliate. Wellpoints profits have gone up 400% and we're held hostage by this treachery because they make the laws by
which we play & pay. Personally I'm ready to try anything else. I once had blue cross
blushield and when I got hurt or sick they denied my claims f/pre existing conditions. F/
the record bluecross-blueshield had just recently become affiliated w/the wellpoint
jaugernaut about 6yrs ago. I was ina group plan w/my employer in the auto industry. All
the employees were stunned as similar things happened regularly them. We believe our
our job was complicte in the deed of BCBS.They stripped us of the insurance eventually
and now people w/as much as 30yrs are schedule to be put out of work w/ absolutely
no coverage w/the bankruptcy of the company.Is this how america treats it's citizens.
Is this how our elected officials reign supremely, stripping us of our ability to care for
our hlthc needs.Something needs to be done and the public-option is the only show in
town. Those naysayers either work f/the hlthc ind. or lobbyist. Possibly the have jobs that
supply them w/adequate coverage and feel secure but if they don't fight these lobbyist
now and put in place a public option they'll be stripped w/no place to go. It's happening to thousands every day and they all thought they were safe until the bloodsucker got around
to there group plan or employer.That's how they work one sector at a time no one hollers until it's to late because they're safe thinking it won't happen to them.But it's happening every day. Some father or mother comes home w/out a job or a little less hlth coverage
then it's to late hell they'll say the lazy bastard needs to get off his ass and find a job.
But if U got multiple mouths to feed, mortgage to pay & such who can afford to wait.
When u or yours get sick u want care if u don't get it (IS IT TIME TO DIE QUICK)?

Hey thematrix777,their over 500 former congress staff members working as lobbyist.The hlthc. industry has spent more than 380m lobbying, advertising & campaign contributions.W/finance comm. chairm. max "cali cartel" baucus gittin 1.5m.U've heard of Liz Fowler now workin f/finance comm. she was vp of public policy at Wellpoint the nations largest hlthc insurer in the country.The current senate finance comm. members in the last 2 decades have collected 49.7m from the hlth ind., seem to me we the American public have been gettin played for a long time.So reid is only a chip off the old block but, we could both use some help and the public opt is at least a hope of some relief.I'm fully prepared to disregard the naysayers
and give it my backing.

yo courage! the idiots are the ones that think sheepishly following max "cali cartel" baucus into the tunnel is getting them somewhere
& think they see the light. Guess what its a train idiot!!

it is the Goverment take over of the health care industry nothing public about it it is handing your life over to corrupt idiot who care only for there own power every one who supports this is a idiot and deserve what they get

If you want government run healthcare, move to Canada or England. They come here for their healthcare.

Is Reid really trying to tell us that the Canadian healthcare system is better? Do you realize it is FAILING? Why in the world would we want to emulate a FAILED SYSTEM?

You Reid lovers beware! I live in Nevada and Harry Reid will be OUT in 2010. We have had enough of his bad policies, bad judgment and back room deals

If this bill is so great for us, why won't they let us read it before the vote?

yo akamaial,gooday to ya good to see ur in form today. I got that wrong & I'm happy u took the time to correct me. I knew I'd see u around.Talk to ya later

* ruminatus, the majority rules in a democracy, not so in a republic...
America is a republic, not a democracy. Our Founding Fathers instituted a form of government guided by the rule of law rather than the desires of a majority of voters. They understood that a democracy is always in flux and given to “mob rule,” while a republic is fixed and stable, resting on “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.” Because of the uncertainty of democracy, Benjamin Rush — a signer of the Declaration of Independence — wrote: “A simple democracy is one of the greatest of evils.”

The “evils” Rush saw in democracy are evident when we compare the basis for rights in a democracy with the basis for rights in a republic. In a democracy, rights ultimately flow from the majority, and every right — from keeping and bearing arms to possessing private property — is recallable if the party in the majority so decides. In the constitutional republic that our Founders intended America to be, rights are seen as coming from God and because of this, are unassailable by government (regardless of which party is in the majority). In the Declaration of Independence these unassailable rights were described as “unalienable” and were clearly presented as rights over which the government has no say.

source: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/america-a-republic-not-a-democracy/

...and what we have in goverance today is socialist democracy of sorts, and simply put, "ahm agin it!"

Yo akamaial, I got no problem w/u holding ur position but in a republic the majority rules we all know that.So when I say the American public want the option it because were in the majority. I'm sure U can appreciate those statistics, thanks for the debate. I respect your points but them statistic can be formulated to come snake eyes if statusticians wanted them to.
See u around maybe?
ps: ain't none of it gone be perfect u know it, I know it but
this is America.Hell we made thru 2 bush terms I think we've weathered alot so bring it on viva la revolucion!!

Yo, ruminatus!

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Okay, so we disagree, I put forth data supporting viewpoints that I hold... meaning that primarily I do not want government mandating another imposition upon my freedom of choice and I sure as blazes do not think that what they believe is for "my own good" will actually be so...IMHO it will a bureaucratic nightmare and we have enough of those already.!

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More useless statist, public officials will trap thro their mama under the bus to keep there PAC finances coming in. max baucus's leadership pac has raised $14,029,295 thru 2005-2010 fundraising cycle. That is why our public officials will thro us under the bus w/our futures. TO hell w/canada and brittan I"M concerned w/ America. I pay taxes, my children pay taxes,I ain't looking for no damn handout I want those pacs to help the American people they were elected to help.
U can squash all that statistical bull because ur starting to sound more & more desperate. "HE DOTH PROTEST TO MUCH".

CANADIAN UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE?

Canadians have a health care system that should be the envy of no one, says Investor's Business Daily (IBD). It's not free, it's funded by taxpayers, and it isn't truly universal. Two Canadian Supreme Court justices made this clear three years ago when they concluded that "access to a waiting list is not access to health care."

Delayed treatment in an overused system has been the root of much unnecessary suffering, says IBD:

* To prevent premature deaths and the needless misery that are hallmarks of Canadian care, the British Columbia Automobile Association began offering waiting-list insurance to some of its members in August as part of a pilot program.
* Those who bought the coverage would receive treatment in a private clinic in British Columbia or the United States if they were placed on a government care waiting list longer than 45 days.
* The program, which took two years to develop, never got beyond the pilot phase, however.
* The association shut it down when critics howled and government officials checked to see if such a program was actually legal in Canada.

"This is an example of a company that's actively soliciting for clients that have the ability to pay for the privilege of queue-jumping," said Adrian Dix, a member of B.C.'s Legislative Assembly. "In my view, and in the view of the legal opinion that we obtained, it is illegal, and it violated both provincial and national health legislation."

It's hard to understand why an elected official, or anyone else, would knowingly trap people in a system that can't take care of the public it is expected to serve. Yet there are many Canadians who would, in the name of "fairness" and "equality," deny others' right to take care of themselves outside of the collective. They are outraged that some of their countrymen could escape the agony of the waiting lists while others languish in the bureaucratic wreckage, says IBD.

But the real outrage, to quote Brian Day, former director of the Canadian Medical Association, should be that a government would actually force "a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for health care, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list."

Source: Editorial, "Canadian Patients Feel Wait Of The World," Investor's Business Daily, October 23, 2009.

-> http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=510031

ObamaCare is hazardous to your health.

~ America's health care is not doing badly. Indeed a National Center for Policy Analysis study from last March shows how much better we are doing than countries like Canada, Britain, and other European nations that have government health care control:

* Breast-cancer mortality is 52% higher in Germany and 88% higher in Britain than in the U.S.
* Prostate-cancer mortality is 457% higher in Norway and 604% higher in Britain than in the U.S.
* Eighty-nine percent of middle-aged women in the U.S. have had a mammogram, compared with 72% in Canada.
* Fifty-four percent of men in the U.S. have had a prostate-specific antigen test, compared with 16% of Canadian men.

As for the availability of health care, another study shows that 74% of those in the U.S. meet for scheduled doctors appointments within four weeks, while only 42% of British and 40% of Canadians do. Only 10% of Americans wait longer than two months, while 33% of Brits and 42% of Canadians wait that long.

On average, doctors in a survey say neurosurgery should be performed within 5.8 weeks, but in Canada it takes about 31 weeks. And orthopedic surgery should be within 11 weeks, but in Canada it takes 37 weeks. So it is pretty clear that government health-insurance monopoly is dangerously inefficient.

***
So what is a better solution? First, allow everyone to purchase health insurance across state lines (difficult under current law, as you must buy your insurance in your own state), so that they can get the best possible policies at the best possible prices.

Second, individuals should get the same tax break that companies get when they supply health insurance for their employees. All policy payments should be tax deductible, either to the company or the individual.

Third, health insurance should be portable. Companies should help their employees own their own insurance so that it travels with them from job to job, state to state, and is under their control.

Fourth, Congress should enact tort reform so that doctors can do what is best for their patients instead of practicing costly legal defensive medicine.

And finally, let people purchase insurance that meets their needs, rather than requiring intrusive, one-size-fits-all federal government mandates.

-> http://www.ncpa.org/commentaries/bad-medicine

akamaial if I swallowed all that statistical muck my mind would be as constipated as urs.The fact still remain the hlthc firms need competition and the Gov. is the only power able to supply that challenge.As long as we're held hostage by those thieving carpetbaggers we're subjected to their whims.They charge us what they want because they can because, they are the only game in town.They got it hands down on the mexican drug cartels.Selling drugs at absorbitant prices and the doctors are duplicitous in their folly.The country is being crushed w/the oxy blight.Florida is the drug capital of America there is no place they cannot reach and it's legal.Hypocratic oath don't mean crap to those b-----ds.max baucus and his cronies accepted 19m from the hlthc firms and have supplied them w/former staff members as lobbyist.Now u would have be believe that statistic prove me wrong. That muck only tells me ur either confused at best are a damn fool.This present hlthc system is stealing our country's future.The country is being slaughtered from w/in by max "BRUTUS' baucus and his cohorts will not only assasinate the emperor but the American public as well f/their own gain.The American people need the public option and not no state opt-out bull.If Reid comes w/that
shit he'll be branded as another usurper and should be put on the rack until he's broken and his body parts spread to the 4corners of the country.That punk Reid is contemplating selling the American public out plain and simple and will be held accountable.

If hlthc firm continue unfettered buying insurances across state lines won't mean crap.We'll still be subject to the same cartel.And when we run out of money it's time to "just die quick" and that is what our future holds.I see the forrest and the trees are gone and there lies a baren waistland w/ the bones of all those Americans that believed we had trustworthy elected officials.If they fail us shit on them and all those that would deny me (a father,brother,son,veteran and an American) the opportunity to pick what's best f/me and mind.

America does not want a government/state - run/managed health care system, beyond a shadow of a doubt it will be fraught with problems...
...Voters continue to believe health care reform is needed, but they also remain skeptical about the proposals working their way through Congress. Fifty-four percent (54%) say major changes are needed in the health care system, but just 42% support the approach proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats.

Sixty-five percent (65%) of voters nationwide say laws should be changed so that health insurance companies are subject to anti-trust regulations. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 12% disagree, while 23% are not sure.

Anti-trust laws are intended to prevent companies and other business entities from working together in ways that limit competition.

Support for putting the health insurance companies under the anti-trust umbrella is consistent with another survey finding: 66% say free market competition between insurance companies will do more than government regulation to reduce health care costs. Just 23% believe more government regulation is the way to reduce costs, and 10% are not sure.

Seventy-three percent (73%) also favor another measure designed to spur free-market competition by allowing people buy health insurance across state lines. Just 20% are opposed to that measure.

It is about time Reid took a stand and acted like a Democrat. All his hedging and hand wringing over the last few months leaves the impression he is somewhat weak and wishy washy.

this week knee chump ain't no hero and the only risk he's taking is the fear of reprisal for attempting this state opt crap.
I think all them clowns are in hlthc firms ' pocket.We the American Public want the option state by state be DAMNED.

If states could opt out, wouldn't that defeat the purpose? The states would just be bought out by the insurance industry.

It's bullshit that it's seen as a risk. The majority of the public support a public option. Goddammit. I want to call this guy a hero, but he's just going with the will of the public.

The political back and forth and grandstanding on this is getting VERY tiresome.

Title is tantalizingly close to tapping into Dr. Seuss.

Democrat--aggressive--risk taking?

Did somebody spike the Kool-aide?