Parents would rather talk drugs than science or math, study says
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remanns
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The cult that doesn't add up.
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remanns
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remanns
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Hmmmmmmmmm,....well,....it looks a lot like hunzedog,perhaps older....but a LOT more "establishment" and "old school",......The dog never talks about his family,...as if there might have been a falling out,......hmmmmmmm,...well, "you do the math".
.....and if y'all don't think thats funny, just remember "The Bong Show".
- 3 months ago
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remanns
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TheHumanProject
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I can kind of understand why a parent would find it easier to talk about Science and Math, because drugs is pretty much an easy subject to talk about, and because most likely, they've lived through the 80's.
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TheHumanProject
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jimmydaperv
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Are you smarter than a fifth grader? No. Not when it comes to fifth grade subjects, but "drugs are bad" is universal. Schools should teach academics and parents should impart their wisdom regarding social issues.
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jimmydaperv
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good_stuff
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I hate to say it, but if you or your kid aren't capable of keeping up with the subject, then you/they probably shouldn't go into math or science. I'm not going to say that having a good teacher doesn't help, but a little motivation is all that it takes. In the real world, it is all about being able to learn something on your own and that is all you really need.
As someone who went into engineering, I kinda wish I hadn't. I could have gone into something that takes a lot less work, although it would have been a slightly harder job to find such as banking. Actually, I should have gone into the health care industry. They seem to make all the money for actually doing very little (pharmacist/doctor really come to mind).
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good_stuff
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ScorpioGee
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From personal experience from fifth grade to high school my mother slowy phased herself out to not assist me in homework, especially math. Didn't help I had an mental handicap in the math department or my Mom had an short temper.
She's always been good at math since she was young and she uses it a lot in her profession. But I think part of her not helping me was when I began to work on more abstract math like fractions, division with decimals, algebra (ugh.) it was difficult for her to explain the concept to me and even if she produced the answer as an example on how to preform division like 32.9/1434.5* in my mind I was not satisfied; I wanted to understand how the answer was possessed, how it came to be, and what I did wrong. Creating longer periods in explaining, demonstrating and building frustration to the point where we both called it an night and I went to school with my homework unfinished.
I also feel a big part of it was she forgot the material herself as I progressed thruought school and I don't fault her for that. It's natural to forget a lot of things you've learned from school.
We should also remember that the subjects taught to young people today wasn't the materials or lesson plans most of our parents were taught in elementary thought high school--most high school graduates were expected to go straight into the work force either in health care, service, manufacturing, industrial, or military in the entry level position. It's not really just the three R's anymore.**
This is why educational centers like libraries, museums and the Internet (yes it's more than porn and drugs) and even art are really important in keeping the American culture current and adult minds in tip top shape as they get older. I hope the Obama admin. is considering to have a massive overhaul the Edu centers like they're going to do with infrastructure it need one.
* Please don't try to solve it. I randomly typed in numbers. Your brain will explode. lol
** According to recent HS drop out statistics the public education system has decayed worse than expected over the last 20 years especially in larger cities. Even the NCLB policy hasn't made a dent. Personally I think NCLB is very lame but if anyone can show it helped SOMEWHERE I would love to see it. :) - 3 months ago
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ScorpioGee
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remanns
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ScorpioGee:
Ive always thought that every few years public schools should have at least a week where the teach a "history and development and context of" for the math they are about to teach the pragmatic functionality of for the rest of the year. In 5th grade algebra really blew my mind, because I laboriously worked out HOW to do "it", but not the "why". As an adult,....in retrospect, I think if they had started that year with "Logic,101, For "Dummies", Remedial Level" my mind would have been at peace for the rest of the year. As it was,....I thought of it in terms of being "magic math"; rather like the "rules" for SPELLING in modern English. In my fantasy,..an instructor would have prefaced the rest of the year in math with " Hey kids,.....once there were these Arabic fellows, who knew how to do THIS,....but there were these things they needed to do, and sot they needed to figure out,......et.) Years later in college,....I took a "grown up" version of that class,....and enjoyed the hell out it.
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remanns
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RojoGatto
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well do people actually do science and math?
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RojoGatto
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bailey78
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RojoGatto:
no not really
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bailey78
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BKsaysAction
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That's just because a lot of dumb parents spent more time getting high than doing science and math.
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BKsaysAction
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serenden68
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but check this.
i think parents should stop lying to their kids. now drugs aren't at all great but not all drugs are bad, and in the case of cannabis. thats not even a drug. its a plant/herb that has tons of positives,
personally i think rather than to just say something is bad or good, a parent should take the time to explain what the damn thing is and how it effects you and everyone else around you.
if something is bad the child is going to know that or if something is good they will also know that, the only reason why anyone would know something is good or bad is because they learned about that thing and why it is good or bad. if you raise your children right and teach them whats good and why its good or whats bad and why its bad they will more than likely follow what you taught them.
and with regards to math science history or any subject, if the parent is having trouble with it they shouldn't be discouraged about it because its been so long since they have learned it and put any of that knowledge to use, some of it kinda slips your mind. just read a damn book to refresh your mind.
and as "freshfish" said i would love to talk about bio-chemistry or in my case how do you design a structure that harnesses wind and solar energy to power not only its own self but neighboring smaller buildings, and compliment the surrounding area's architectural designs. and yes i am a smoker.
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serenden68
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serenden68:
Funny that you mention looking at it as either good or bad. The ability to see things in shades of gray evolves in the later stages of the brain's development. Some people are not smart enough to be able to see past the "it's bad because it's illegal, it's illegal cause its bad...mmmkay"
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juicie
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serenden68:
well i do see somethings as being in the gray area, but in this case thats not i am talking about. im talkin about parents taking the time to actually explain something to their child as why something is good or bad or even gray.
and also a parent, if they dont know something, needs to read a damn book to refresh their mind.
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serenden68
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Darevalo
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easier to talk about the things you have done i suppose.
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Darevalo
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ahappymintleaf
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I think this also speaks a lot to how education is based on memorization versus learning, as it's unlikely that many parents never learned what their kids are studying, but rather failed to internalize it well. If content is presented as something to memorize for a test then forget(*ahem* No Child Left Behind), there's really no point in teaching it in the first place. Learning should be more hands-on or strive to form connections to aid in lifelong memorization, especially in the sciences. Though there shouldn't really be more burden put on the education system before a complete overhaul is done.
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ahappymintleaf
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juicie
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ahappymintleaf:
I plan to help mine not by giving them the answer, but by showing them how to find the answer themselves.
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juicie
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jswiz
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ya thats kind of funny ,smoking pot myself , a nice coversation about astrobiology always seems to get my goat.
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jswiz
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Darevalo
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jswiz:
your goat too? gotta get this goat-napper before he strikes again!
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Darevalo
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anglcazn
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It's because it's easier to say, "It's bad!" then "Let me explain the molecular structure of a diamond." I haven't read the full article about the possible reason but I have a suspicion that it's because they don't want a challenge in their authority by their own children. If it clearly states, feel free to clarify for me.
This is in reference to talking about science and math. Actually, this is in reference to ALL school subjects including math, English, science, history, etc. Many parents may not want to feel stupid from the fact that they cannot fully explain to their child how something works and why. When a parent feels stupid, they begin to feel that the child will soon begin to challenge their authority and have the child think, "Maybe my parent isn't all knowing."
Simply, it's easier just to tell your children what to do then explain how things work and why. It helps to establish an authority from the parents onto the child.
And in reference to sex, it's obvious that parents do not want to talk to their children about sex. Didn't you know, it's taboo!
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anglcazn
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Ares
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anglcazn:
Actually, the molecular structure of a diamond is one of the easiest structures to explain, but that's neither here nor there.
I'm not sure if what you're saying is entirely the case, though. Parents might be more ready to assume that an objective discipline like math or science is being adequately covered in the school, and therefore, regardless of their own understanding of the subject, they feel it more pertinent for the child to address the issue with their teachers.
Drug use, however, is more likely to fall prey to heavy opinions, and the parent may feel more inclined to step in and make sure their child is receiving information that is in-line with their own moral fiber, rather than leave it up to chance with the school system.
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Ares
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anglcazn:
yeah ares makes a good point, I am way more confident in my ability to explain drugs to my kids, and I don't really trust DARE to do anything but make them more curious....and when they find out that they lied about pot, then they might just assume the same with hard drugs
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juicie
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anglcazn
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anglcazn:
I understand the statements you're making. But according to the survey, "More than half (53 percent) of parents of teenagers admit that they have trouble helping their children with math and science homework" and "Nearly a quarter of parents (23 percent) who admit to being less involved in their child’s math and science education than they would like say their own lack of knowledge in these subjects is a key barrier." Therefore, Ares, though you made a good point, the study says otherwise.
For the reason why parents rather talk to their children about drugs, "Talking about drugs is easier for parents because it’s a vague subject. It doesn’t have much depth to it. You can get the message across in just a couple of short sentences, or an example of someones’ life gone wrong thanks to the influence of drugs. Not to mention, it’s a talk that almost every competent parent has with their child at some point in their lives, right up there with the good ol’ sex talk."
Though my assumptions were correct, my reason for my assumptions were wrong, especially the part about establishing authority from a parent to a child. It seems that what parents need, as the article says, is help to aid their child in school.
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anglcazn
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freshfish
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thats funny im a pothead and id rather talk science.
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freshfish
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outtheinside
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freshfish:
are you a parent as well?? if not, what's the relevance??
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outtheinside
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noxidereus
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freshfish:
@outtheinside
What purpose does your comment serve other than to try to knock someone down for no reason? Who are you to say someone else's opinion on this article is irrelevant? - 3 months ago
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noxidereus
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freshfish:
me 2 ! always watchin dicovery n reedin crap... i think some people are just mental lightweights and cannabis shows them how stupid they really are. cuz they cant handle what theyz smart friends do; and it pisses them off ...for shizzle....whitefish chumps ...you know the type.......!
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hunzedog
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freshfish:
I like to think of myself as a HUGE proud pothead, and i love talking all things science and about life and the earth, rather than the latest celeb fashions etc, pot opens the mind!
@ outtheinside- what exactly was the relevance of your post???
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CarolineS
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bc_f
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many parents probably think their kid is getting adequate academics in the schools. just because a teacher is covering the right topics in class doesn't mean your child is listening. you have to show interest in what they're learning about.
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bc_f
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artemis6
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I love them . I also include chemistry . Where art and biology come together .
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artemis6
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hunzedog
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it do look familiar !
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Incredulous
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hunzedog:
nice background, it brings out your highlights
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Incredulous
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remanns
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hunzedog:
There is a family resemblance.
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remanns
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JulianCommongold
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Isnt that Hunzedog in that picture?
I did not know he was a math professor. - 3 months ago
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JulianCommongold
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Atalanda_Cameron
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JulianCommongold:
haha i thought the same thing!
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Atalanda_Cameron
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FishaHouse777
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Simply because math and science are difficult subjects to remember unless the parent is a teacher or astronaut, drugs are a simple thing to talk about.
Child to parent, "What are drugs?"
Parent answers, "Drugs are bad, they will ruin your life if you take them. Stay away from kids doing drugs or you're grounded mister!"I hope you get my loose point.
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FishaHouse777