Jack Herer: A Man Well-Loved is Saved Again

We can solve this as I have advocated millions of times before. Instead of jail time, we start handing out fines like speeding tickets. Decriminalization, not legalization. Then it becomes lucrative and our jails our cleared out. Problem solved.

@dkl problem still not solved with decrim. The only way to get dealers to card their patrons is to legalize and regulate. With decrim it will still be easier for kids to get than alcohol. Also, decrim wont ensure consumer saftey, must regulate to keep adulterants out. Needs to be entirely above ground.

Controlled substance is an ironic misnomer. The current approach is the abdication of control.

I'm not promoting comsumer safety. I'm not promoting consumption at all. I'm promoting punishing everybody who is consuming it by fining them. No one consuming it, no worries about safety.

dk your moral crusade doesn't hold water, we harm no one by consuming cannabis, and actually reduce our risk of having cancer by consuming this herb (Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, 1974 study).

I wish no harm upon you, and I take comfort that all ill will you wish upon us will haunt you three fold. Put that in your pipe.

1974??? You are quoting a 35 year old study? I don't have a pipe, and I plan on keeping it that way. You are harming others by the drag you are being to the health care system.

The propaganda is spreading false ideas that pot is good for you. It is not. Who are you to comment Jubal ?? You couldn't even tell the difference between 300 billion and 300 million. Another effect of pot smoking. Distorted perception.

Who said anything about 300 million or billion? Strawman BS. Try again.

You did! You couldn't tell the difference between 300 million and 300 billion in the article I sent to Keith Ponder about how the government was trying to help victims of the residential schools. The number was clearly 300 million, and you said, BS... 300 billion could bail out the entire automobile industry. I don't smoke pot, I can remember these things.

DK you must be totally high on something. How was I supposed to know about any article you sent to keithponder? You say you want civil discourse, then why the fuck do you come onto a thread that is about a health update on Jack Herer and make horrible statements that sound very much like you are dancing around saying "he got what he deserved"?

You can't just do that and expect to be treated with respect. If you truly are here to educate people about the harm of cannabis then why don't you start your own story about it and invite people to comment? (rhetorical question) You didn't because clearly your intention was to be insulting and to create an angry reaction so then you could cry foul and claim your rights are being tread upon.

Well here this loud and clear, we have a right to pollute our bodies if we so choose. Who the fuck are you to come here and directly attack people with your fucking asshole opinions?

I found the article that you are referring to, and yes I did originally type Billions, when it was Millions. It was a typo mistake, not a cannabis induced coma.

Well at least you are admitting to polluting your body when most others do not. It's funny how you ask me if I'm high or something in a negative manner, when it is the very thing you promote. The real question is why would you want to inflict self damage on your body when you acknowledge it is bad for you? In medicine circles, they would say you are diseased in the head to cause your own self destruction.

DK, HELLO, that was sarcasm about polluting. I don't for one second see consuming cannabis as polluting one's own body. I see it as a sacred right of liberty. You are so dense.

Also, my reference to you being "high on something" was meant negative comic irony or satire in the sense of suggesting that perhaps you might be "whacked on crack" or something worse, basically hyperbole. Its how people talk over here on the west coast sometimes; using extreme hyperbole to mirror the ridiculous of something you heard someone say to you.

First off, if you really insist on having a garbage quote war for the tenth time in a row, bring it. One of the short term problems is memory loss which is what you are obviously suffering from. I can find random sites that sound equally reputable that contradict what you say.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm

Ohh ... how amazing. Use your head Delia. GROW UP! AND DON"T SWEAR AT ME EITHER!

Not all sources are created equal- while you are giving me propaganda that can't even cite real research (and when it does it's from 1997 and the results have been refuted several times), I'm giving you Harvard University studies! There is no question of who's information is more reputable here.

My main issue with you is that you immediately resort to personal attacks, making outrageous claims about anyone who disagrees with you. All I did was ask you for the "tons of evidence" you claimed to have, but instead of engaging in civil discourse, you choose the road of ridiculousness. (Also, when did I swear at you?)

You told me to find evidence or STFU. You fill in the blanks. You call that civil? I am civil with those who are civil with me.

You told me to find evidence or STFU. You call that civil? I am civil with those who are civil with me.

Secondly, there is a common misconception amongst the American public that just because something is from Harvard, it is therefore obviously golden. Das ist falsch meine frau, and I'll tell you why:

A large proportion of the Harvard population is comprised of what you would call proto-havardiens (something like 70%), meaning that their parents went to Harvard, and around 30% is composed of neo-harvardiens, meaning that their family is Harvard virgins. If you have a parent that went to Harvard, the selection committee will pick you over a neo-harvardien 9 times out of 10, regardless of grades and SAT scores. It is called the Harvard myth. They want to protect their endowment fund, so they always allow the kiddies in.

So now you have a large population of over spoiled children who have never had to work a day in their life and have nothing better to do but get wasted and high every weekend. They are not likely to take their thesis paper seriously, so they write some garbage of how pot is not good for you.

Thirdly, that was part of my jest on some random source that my article was from. You got your source from WebMD, not the Harvard School of medicine journal. It just mentions Harvard in it. Any dork could have wrote that. Your source is equally questionable.

Not my hero!

@dkl165
Someone who would go ahead and kick a man when he is down like you just did is likely not anyone with which Jack or most other people would want to be associated anyway. I fart in your general direction.

I have sympathy for the man, but not his cause or his position. Why should I take it easy on a foolish man who is promoting a foolish thing. I want people to see his stupidity and see the challenge he now faces to nurse himself back to health. Why should we put a man like this on a pedestal?

Because he is standing up for freedom. His health problems related to his heart were not caused by pot. You're just plain wrong.

DK, if you can't say something nice STFU!

It's sad he's dying, but need him? For what? As an advocate on how to kill ourselves faster?

I feel pity for the man, but not for his cause or his position. He now has to face the challenge of overcoming all the damage he's done to his body. Maybe he'll smarten up and quit, but not likely.

dkl165 here are a few more 'Voices of Reason' who disagree with you:

"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use... Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana." - Jimmy Carter, U.S. President

"I inhaled frequently. That was the point." - Barack Obama, U.S. President

"The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our nation's marijuana laws." -Barack Obama, January 2004

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan, renown scientist, astronomer, astrochemist, author and TV host

"Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?" - Henry Ford, whose first Model-T was constructed from hemp fibers and built to run on hemp gasoline

"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." - Albert Einstein quote on Hemp

@dkl165 -
Are you Jack's doctor? Got inside knowledge about the intimacies of Jack's health? No? Then I say you're just using an old man's misfortunes to push your ignorant agenda. Sad. Pot is safer than alcohol, cigarettes, aspirin, etc. It might not be the healthiest thing in the world, but you have no knowledge as to what Jack's other health problems are. You are simply taking an easy shot at a decent man when he's down in order to show everyone here the extent of your ignorance on this subject.

There is no scientific evidence that pot use causes persisting hypertension or heart disease. It increases your pulse rate for about an hour. Exercise does the same thing. This is not normally a problem, except for people with pre-existing heart problems, which Jack has. Your insinuation that cannabis the cause of all of Jack's ills is simply unfounded, it's not based in fact, so basically you are kicking a sick man when he's down just to kick him. You're toking on propaganda, which is far more dangerous than toking on a plant. Ignorance is the root of most of the problems facing humanity, and you're doing your part to contribute to that.

Here we go again with the argument that pot is not that harmful garbage. The alcohol is more deadly crap. You think I've never heard this this bubkiss before? You think Obama was at his finest hour when he was smoking pot? No... he was a troubled youth who arrived at his finest hour when he quit smoking pot. The ignorance is not in me spreading what everybody already knows about the atrocities done to the body when smoking marijuana, the true ignorance is promoting the idea that it is harmless and does nothing. I'm not the ignorant fool, you are!

"Here we go again" - yup. I've had to correct many people such as yourself. OK, pot is objectively much safer than alcohol. I know this for a fact. If you think otherwise, then cite your evidence... Let's see who's right and who's wrong.

wow thanks for that baseless and unsubstantiated comment you asshole.

Baseless? Nope. Unsubstatiated? Tons of proof indicating the damage pot does to the body, and now your so-called hero is living proof. Suck up your vitriolic sarcasm and face the facts man.

No one makes the claim of immortality. People who smoke cannabis do not claim age will not affect us. Why do you feel the need to misrepresent our views? Disparaging Jack Herer and his efforts just shows your ignorance and lack of compassion. You may live forever, but at what cost? You will probably still be forever ignorant.

dk- where is the "tons of proof"? I can link you University studies that refute your claim, but I'd love to see your evidence first! Well, maybe I'll give you a little taste:

"The active ingredient in marijuana cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University who tested the chemical in both lab and mouse studies." (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm)

"Marijuana, unlike tobacco and alcohol, does not appear to cause head, neck, or lung cancer, says a researcher from Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore.

"Daily marijuana use for a month or more was not associated with increased risk, nor was age at first use, depth of inhalation, or use of a pipe."
(http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20000508/marijuana-unlikely-to-cause...)

@delia - thanks for beating me to the punch on that one. Kudos!

Haven't I argued against you before Delia? Do you really want to see my arguments again of how Marijuana smoke is four times more carcinogenic to the lungs than tobacco smoke? Or are you ready to grow up yet?

dkl165, I too would like to see your information.

dk- that little factoid of yours is straight up propaganda. SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE or STFU!

I have smoked MJ for more than 30 years and I don't have any problems with my lungs. Bronchitis is caused by a bacterial infection. They didn't diagnose him with emphysema; you twit.

Lets see your fucking proof you liar.

That article about marijuana was written by somebody named Buddy T. Who the hell is Buddy T and what are his credentials? Somebody who can't even put their real name on something, has something to hide. FAIL on that source.

5 days later and still no source? I thought your position was based on something that you could share with the rest of us? Guess not.